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  1. apoc527's Avatar
    I find the whole "ecosystem" argument to be a joke. I consider myself a fairly advanced and heavy user of smartphones (certainly this is true of myself compared to my extended family), and I just don't think most people actually use all that many apps.

    70,000 (or 80,000) apps compared to 500,000? But of what quality? Of what type? Yes, there ARE some major app differentials, but those will be corrected, by MS's brute force cash method if necessary. But for the most part, as someone else observed, how many fart noise making apps do you need? Quantity |= quality.

    I've been an iOS user for the last 4 years and I use the following apps on daily basis:

    Facebook
    Find Your Friends
    OneNote (so much better than Notes on iOS and obviously not missing from WP7)
    Hero Academy

    That's really it. 4 apps, one of which is just a game-du-jour! Everything else I do on my phone is in the browser and other core functions (texting, camera, email, and occasionally voice calls).

    I honestly don't think that I'm all that different a user from the large majority of people out there. In fact, I believe there are articles that make it fairly clear that apps are often downloaded and never used. Download numbers are not an indication (necessarily) of an app's actual importance to smartphone users.

    I just wish that these reviewers would get some perspective on the app situation...
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    04-04-2012 02:00 AM
  2. eastbayrae's Avatar
    I would rather have a great phone than an app jukebox like an iPhone/Android device. I have been reading The Verge for about two months now and my general consensus is that unless it's Apple/Android it's utter rubbish.
    04-04-2012 02:17 AM
  3. sdreamer's Avatar
    The camera was a big deturring factor for me, but after seeing some shootouts I don't feel so bad about it anymore. The Lumia 900 does do poorly on some accounts, but one some it's does as well as th competing top tiers. CNet happen to do a quick shootout between the Lumia 900 and iPhone, and on some accounts it looked better, and it didn't look horrible like some photos we've been seeing lately.
    Nokia Lumia 900 camera shoot-out vs. iPhone 4 (photos) | Crave - CNET
    For now, it's a bit inconsistent I think. It can perform, we saw that in the WPCentral review and some samples out there from other reviews, but at the same time there are some horrid photos as well. I think this haze look we're getting is from the apeture. Those photos remind me of over exposed photos that just need a solar filter or something. Wonder if increasing the ISO would help.
    04-04-2012 02:26 AM
  4. peestandingup's Avatar
    I find the whole "ecosystem" argument to be a joke. I consider myself a fairly advanced and heavy user of smartphones (certainly this is true of myself compared to my extended family), and I just don't think most people actually use all that many apps.

    70,000 (or 80,000) apps compared to 500,000? But of what quality? Of what type? Yes, there ARE some major app differentials, but those will be corrected, by MS's brute force cash method if necessary. But for the most part, as someone else observed, how many fart noise making apps do you need? Quantity |= quality.

    I've been an iOS user for the last 4 years and I use the following apps on daily basis:

    Facebook
    Find Your Friends
    OneNote (so much better than Notes on iOS and obviously not missing from WP7)
    Hero Academy

    That's really it. 4 apps, one of which is just a game-du-jour! Everything else I do on my phone is in the browser and other core functions (texting, camera, email, and occasionally voice calls).

    I honestly don't think that I'm all that different a user from the large majority of people out there. In fact, I believe there are articles that make it fairly clear that apps are often downloaded and never used. Download numbers are not an indication (necessarily) of an app's actual importance to smartphone users.

    I just wish that these reviewers would get some perspective on the app situation...
    What about games? What about kid's apps?? Advanced video & photo editing?? Seriously, have you seen some of this stuff on iOS? Its completely in another league than WP (and to some extent Android). I'm sorry, it just is.

    Where's Flipboard, Instagram, a decent Facebook client, Path, Camera+, Hipstamatic, Draw Something, a decent G Voice client? Is there anything even remotely close to iPhoto & iMovie?? Why Microsoft hasn't made apps that rival those last two I'll never know, because they certainly could.

    Anyways, most people use apps like crazy & the specific ones (and types) that I mentioned are insanely popular. A phone & its ecosystem isn't just for browsing the internet anymore & using a handful of apps to do some mundane tasks.

    They need apps & they need developers, like right now. Because I can tell you right now. I love my Titan, but using the iPhone & its ecosystem is like a whole nother world being opened up to you. One that simply does not exist on WP.
    04-04-2012 02:28 AM
  5. Kahuna Cowboy's Avatar
    Josh does make some great points, and he is right, it is time to stop giving WP a pass being it's the new eco-system. It's going on 2 years old now, it should have an eco-system on par with Apple and Android (apps not withstanding), but an XBOX remote alone is not going to cut it for a vast eco-system. At this point WP should be nicely integrated with everything MS and it is simply not. If it does have integration it usually relies on app launching to accomplish integration which is the very thing WP lambasts Google and Apple for. Then of course Google has Play, Apple has iTunes, MS has Zune...... That speaks for itself right there. MS needs a better entertainment eco-system backing up WP. Maybe XBox live sans stupid point system would be in order??? Instead we get to hear "Apollo will be the game changer." We heard the same crap with Mango. It is time to measure WP on it's merits today, not it's potential tomorrow. Josh nailed that on the head, and no matter how great the UI is, how great the phone feels, overall WP is still 2 steps behind Android and iOS no matter how you spin it.

    With that said, I also feel Josh approached this review from the wrong perspective. He is comparing every nuance of the phone and OS to devices like the GNex and iPhone. Wel,l on a spec sheet yes, the Lumia 900 is behind the times when you slap it up against a Galaxy Nexus, from a user experience standpoint is where it needs to be graded from and I think he failed pretty poorly at that aspect. Also I feel Josh fell short of realizing a sleek and sexy $99 dollar LTE phone on subsidy is no small precedent Nokia and AT&T have set which Josh glossed right over instead approaching his review comparing it to phones that cost $299 on subsidy.

    Josh is pretty fair overall, and no he is not an iPhone fanboy, the resident iPhone fanboy at The Verge is Nilay Patel who has no hand in this review. As a whole however The Verge is very FAndroid friendly. I listen to their podcasts often, rarely does WP get a mention, if they do it is a quick 5 min discussion while there is an hour discussion about anything Apple or Android. This is true for the Vergecast and their Mobile Podcast. I don't think Josh intentionally is trying to "sabotage" WP with his review, I just think as a whole The Verge is just not interested in it preferring Apple and Google.
    04-04-2012 03:38 AM
  6. Beacio_mo's Avatar
    Josh does make some great points, and he is right, it is time to stop giving WP a pass being it's the new eco-system. It's going on 2 years old now, it should have an eco-system on par with Apple and Android (apps not withstanding), but an XBOX remote alone is not going to cut it for a vast eco-system. At this point WP should be nicely integrated with everything MS and it is simply not. If it does have integration it usually relies on app launching to accomplish integration which is the very thing WP lambasts Google and Apple for. Then of course Google has Play, Apple has iTunes, MS has Zune...... That speaks for itself right there. MS needs a better entertainment eco-system backing up WP. Maybe XBox live sans stupid point system would be in order??? Instead we get to hear "Apollo will be the game changer." We heard the same crap with Mango. It is time to measure WP on it's merits today, not it's potential tomorrow. Josh nailed that on the head, and no matter how great the UI is, how great the phone feels, overall WP is still 2 steps behind Android and iOS no matter how you spin it.

    With that said, I also feel Josh approached this review from the wrong perspective. He is comparing every nuance of the phone and OS to devices like the GNex and iPhone. Wel,l on a spec sheet yes, the Lumia 900 is behind the times when you slap it up against a Galaxy Nexus, from a user experience standpoint is where it needs to be graded from and I think he failed pretty poorly at that aspect. Also I feel Josh fell short of realizing a sleek and sexy $99 dollar LTE phone on subsidy is no small precedent Nokia and AT&T have set which Josh glossed right over instead approaching his review comparing it to phones that cost $299 on subsidy.

    Josh is pretty fair overall, and no he is not an iPhone fanboy, the resident iPhone fanboy at The Verge is Nilay Patel who has no hand in this review. As a whole however The Verge is very FAndroid friendly. I listen to their podcasts often, rarely does WP get a mention, if they do it is a quick 5 min discussion while there is an hour discussion about anything Apple or Android. This is true for the Vergecast and their Mobile Podcast. I don't think Josh intentionally is trying to "sabotage" WP with his review, I just think as a whole The Verge is just not interested in it preferring Apple and Google.

    I agree that The Verge rarely discusses WP7, but you can say the same about Blackberry as well. They really do focus on what sells, and although I am a big WP7 fan after trying the Focus Flash and I have a pre-order 900, WP7 still has a tiny market share compared to Android and iOS. I really hope the 900 turns their market share around, especially with a PureView WP7 on the horizon :-D
    04-04-2012 04:19 AM
  7. bobsentell's Avatar
    Josh does make some great points, and he is right, it is time to stop giving WP a pass being it's the new eco-system.
    But then a potential Windows Dev reads that review and decides it is not worth the effort.

    I have always maintained that as long as your device has facebook, twitter, Angry Birds, and a camera, then you have a complete device in the eyes of 90% of the buying population. Throw in Instagram and WP7 is perfect in their eyes. Apps are merely there to cover the shortcomings of the platform. And so what if Android has 200,000,000 apps? How many of them would curl the toes of your virus scanner?

    I understand the idea of having games and that stuff, but last time I check Microsoft had control of this goofy little device called the XBOX. Have you heard of it? They have games; they just don't have the same games.

    Microsoft and Windows Phone, as an ecosystem, are fine. It's the hardware that has been lacking. But now they have a manufacturer that is putting real effort into it rather than just reflashing one of their Android phones.

    It's never too late for anything. Only if you fail to adapt and grow. BlackBerry owned this market for years and now they are trying to figure out how to survive. This game is never over. Apple is one more 3.5" screen away from having a flop on their hands.
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    04-04-2012 08:43 AM
  8. squire777's Avatar
    The point is that this review wasn't the time or place for him to go off on a tangent about WP7 as an OS, and the ecosystem. That could have been done in a separate piece, but he chose to bring it up during the review for the 900 for some odd reason.

    There isn't much Microsoft can do if developers don't want to make apps for WP7. Compared to 6 months ago there are a lot of new apps out there, and aside from a few that I really want I can say that the ecosystem isn't as bad as some are making it out to be. And no Instagram? that should be counted as a positive IMO. Sick of seeing those crappy photos every where.

    Sure the hardware on the 900 isn't anything special, but most other reviewers said it was a snappy phone, and even the camera was good. It's the same attitude Josh had from his Engadget days. Anytime something big, non-Apple would be released with a lot of hype, Josh would just give it a bad review. I think he has some weird insecurity.
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    04-04-2012 08:44 AM
  9. bobsentell's Avatar
    There are now 80,000+ WP7 apps. They are being added at 340 apps per day.

    Good luck downloading them all.
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    04-04-2012 09:27 AM
  10. Kahuna Cowboy's Avatar
    But then a potential Windows Dev reads that review and decides it is not worth the effort.

    I have always maintained that as long as your device has facebook, twitter, Angry Birds, and a camera, then you have a complete device in the eyes of 90% of the buying population. Throw in Instagram and WP7 is perfect in their eyes. Apps are merely there to cover the shortcomings of the platform. And so what if Android has 200,000,000 apps? How many of them would curl the toes of your virus scanner?

    I understand the idea of having games and that stuff, but last time I check Microsoft had control of this goofy little device called the XBOX. Have you heard of it? They have games; they just don't have the same games.

    Microsoft and Windows Phone, as an ecosystem, are fine. It's the hardware that has been lacking. But now they have a manufacturer that is putting real effort into it rather than just reflashing one of their Android phones.

    It's never too late for anything. Only if you fail to adapt and grow. BlackBerry owned this market for years and now they are trying to figure out how to survive. This game is never over. Apple is one more 3.5" screen away from having a flop on their hands.
    Devs are not going to care that the Verge gave the Lumia 900 a 7 out of 10 and decide to avoid the WP platform all together. They will avoid it because of the measly market share WP has overall. Until that changes, the devs with premier apps will focus on iOS and Android.

    The ecosystem is FAR from fine! No one will take WP seriously until things like AirPlay, a true entertainment platform on par with iTunes is backing up the ecosystem, a better more unified cloud experience, an XBOX Live hub that actually does something with my XBOX then change my avatar, an easy way to control my PC from my phone, Skype interegration, and of course a marketplace that has apps people want, like their bank's app, their local news apps, resturaunt apps, etc... etc... are a reality. But that would just get the ecosystem up to where iOS and Android are right now at this moment in time. Even if all of that happened with Apollo (which it won't) WP would still be behind the curve by the time Apollo launches.

    Think about it, imagine you worked for AT&T. What reason would you give to perspective phone buyers to choose WP beyond YOU like the UI better? What does it do that Droid and iOS do not? Past some integration with Office, not much. But there is a heck of a lot Droid and iOS do that WP does not as pointed above with a few notable examples.

    At least now with the Nokia 900 we have a WP that does not look like Droid hardware from 2009! That's a step in the right direction.

    As for iPhone, many thought the 4S would flop too, it shattered iPhone sales and their market share continues to grow. They can go with a smaller screen and people will still buy it. They are raking in $$$ hand over fist and iOS continues to grow at an impressive rate. They are far from a flop anytime soon. Sadly Apple has that luxury to not innovate much and to not constantly have to put out new designs. WP does not have that luxury as it scratches and claws for market share to not fall into the abyss of dead mobile platforms.

    I'm not saying all of this disparage WP, I like it. But it is lacking and does need a lot of work before it is a serious alternative in the mobile world. Sticking our head's in the sand and begging the tech blogs to be gentle is not going to change that.
    04-04-2012 09:35 AM
  11. Kahuna Cowboy's Avatar
    I agree that The Verge rarely discusses WP7, but you can say the same about Blackberry as well. They really do focus on what sells, and although I am a big WP7 fan after trying the Focus Flash and I have a pre-order 900, WP7 still has a tiny market share compared to Android and iOS. I really hope the 900 turns their market share around, especially with a PureView WP7 on the horizon :-D
    Now a Pureview WP would be a true "game changer"!
    04-04-2012 09:42 AM
  12. bobsentell's Avatar
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    But 85,000 apps is hardly lacking. At some point, the major apps will support the major platforms with the rest of the library being made up by smaller devs.

    Also, read this story. This is an Android dev who supports 707 different Android devices and 99% of all of her emails are complaints over lack of support. All Microsoft needs to say is "build for us once and you are done".
    04-04-2012 09:55 AM
  13. JetLife87's Avatar
    What about games? What about kid's apps?? Advanced video & photo editing?? Seriously, have you seen some of this stuff on iOS? Its completely in another league than WP (and to some extent Android). I'm sorry, it just is.

    Where's Flipboard, Instagram, a decent Facebook client, Path, Camera+, Hipstamatic, Draw Something, a decent G Voice client? Is there anything even remotely close to iPhoto & iMovie?? Why Microsoft hasn't made apps that rival those last two I'll never know, because they certainly could.

    Anyways, most people use apps like crazy & the specific ones (and types) that I mentioned are insanely popular. A phone & its ecosystem isn't just for browsing the internet anymore & using a handful of apps to do some mundane tasks.

    They need apps & they need developers, like right now. Because I can tell you right now. I love my Titan, but using the iPhone & its ecosystem is like a whole nother world being opened up to you. One that simply does not exist on WP.
    I'm in the group the other guy was in. First, I don't like really gaming on touch screen devices. Have had all the iPads, have probably played angry birds the most and for a total of about 5 hours. If I do like a game, it's some type of bejeweled/angry birds type game. Not modern war 3 or real racing 2.

    Video editing apps would be cool on the phone, but I don't think it will be used.basically I think many reviewers out there are docking points for things they don't even use themselves and not adding points for things they will use. Did josh even try out Xbox companion? No on ever talks about how much better the office integration is. For college it's great, view full ppts. With notes, something no app can do on iOS. What about being able to search word documents? Things like that go severely unnoticed.

    Groups are something that's never talked about, being able to group some employees, friends, or teammates together and see the history of your emails is a very nice feature also.

    Just the other day my professor released grades for a research paper we did with her comments. I am able to go to the website, view the word document with all the comments, save it to my phone, and then email it to a friend. Couldn't do that on most platforms, the comments would fk up. On ios you'd need goodreader to download the file if you want to share it, even then the format will suck.

    My point being is that people like josh add points for dead space, but never play it. They add points for AirPlay, but never use it. He adds points for iMovie but probably never uses it (iMovie is cool though don't get me wrong) but they don't add points for things they would actually use.

    The apps get criticized all the time but no one talks about microsoft letting emulator or YouTube apps where you can download the videos. Or the YouTube apps that let you play audio in the background (I have friends that love their jb iPhone because it can download YouTube videos, they can't play in the background though, or at least last time I checked)

    I think there is way too much emphasis on apps, people want an app that they see on tv that they will never use. People use apps like instagram, twitter, Facebook, pulse, Skype, etc. I don't think many people use their phones for heavy gaming.

    People criticize the ecosystem like androids is so great. Only difference is google releases stuff just to get people like josh to shut up. Google music, not that great, got reviewers to shut up about music. Renting videos on android, not that great, prolly done by .5% of android users if that, got reviewers to shut up.


    All these trendy apps go away and people go back to using their smartphone for the basic stuff which windows phone does amazingly.
    Last edited by Jet Life; 04-04-2012 at 10:28 AM.
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    04-04-2012 10:18 AM
  14. threed61's Avatar
    Jet Life, very good points! I think the tech site reviews are not nearly as important as the mainstream media reviews, and they tend to look at phones more from the average consumers perspective.
    04-04-2012 12:20 PM
  15. Joelist's Avatar
    I think a large part of this "app angst" stems from ignorant reviewers not actually understanding how the OS functions. iOS and Android are "app centric" OSes and rely on apps for a lot of functionality. WP7 takes a different approach with the hubs centralizing data in logical groups.

    Plus, it is true that the engadget and verge reviews were badly biased and basically worthless.
    04-04-2012 04:47 PM
  16. AngryNil's Avatar
    I think the varying reviews of the camera is based upon the user. Some people just can't take good shots. My wife swears up and down I cannot take a decent picture. She on the other hand takes pretty decent shots with just about any camera. Probably helps that she worked in camera store.
    One thing I wonder: does every reviewer know the Windows Phone camera button is a two-step one? I remember seeing a video on The Verge where one of the staff was playing around with a demo unit and pressed once on the button - no focus.
    04-04-2012 08:20 PM
  17. snowmutt's Avatar
    I think he's more an anti-Microsoft guy. His review of the TouchPad wasn't this harsh.

    Edit: Crap, I just realized he didn't review it himself. That must be why it is actually a good read.
    First off, I appreciate you gathering a sample of the reviews. Secondly, I have never been on the Verge website, and now I know not to bother. Life is to short to waste time on Bias idiots.
    04-04-2012 10:34 PM
  18. JPDVM2014's Avatar
    My problem with The Verge review wasn't so much that he didn't bring up good points, it is that he completely avoided any positives. Or if he did mention a positive, he would contradict himself later in the review. He barely even mentioned the Nokia exclusive apps. And I agree with people that the app ecosystem isn't as bad as people make it out to be. Yes, there are apps that aren't there, but there are usually alternatives. That doesn't help with cross-platform games, but Instagram? I have about 5 apps on my phone that do the exact same thing. Pandora? Radio Controlled and MetroRadio are as good, if not better than an official client. Granted, there is the chance that a change on Pandora's part could break them, but the devs have been extremely responsive. And I really don't see the issue with games. Yes, there aren't any AAA titles, but there are more games in the marketplace than I would ever be able to play. I don't understand why anyone would want to play most AAA games on a phone anyway, but that is just me. I own an iPad, and am running android on my Touchpad. There are no apps that I use regularly that I can't find, in some way, on my phone. Taste of the week games notwithstanding. I just discovered draw something a week ago, and everyone I know has already moved on to something else. :-(
    04-05-2012 09:16 AM
  19. lipper2000's Avatar
    Devs are not going to care that the Verge gave the Lumia 900 a 7 out of 10 and decide to avoid the WP platform all together. They will avoid it because of the measly market share WP has overall. Until that changes, the devs with premier apps will focus on iOS and Android.

    The ecosystem is FAR from fine! No one will take WP seriously until things like AirPlay, a true entertainment platform on par with iTunes is backing up the ecosystem, a better more unified cloud experience, an XBOX Live hub that actually does something with my XBOX then change my avatar, an easy way to control my PC from my phone, Skype interegration, and of course a marketplace that has apps people want, like their bank's app, their local news apps, resturaunt apps, etc... etc... are a reality. But that would just get the ecosystem up to where iOS and Android are right now at this moment in time. Even if all of that happened with Apollo (which it won't) WP would still be behind the curve by the time Apollo launches.

    Think about it, imagine you worked for AT&T. What reason would you give to perspective phone buyers to choose WP beyond YOU like the UI better? What does it do that Droid and iOS do not? Past some integration with Office, not much. But there is a heck of a lot Droid and iOS do that WP does not as pointed above with a few notable examples.

    At least now with the Nokia 900 we have a WP that does not look like Droid hardware from 2009! That's a step in the right direction.

    As for iPhone, many thought the 4S would flop too, it shattered iPhone sales and their market share continues to grow. They can go with a smaller screen and people will still buy it. They are raking in $$$ hand over fist and iOS continues to grow at an impressive rate. They are far from a flop anytime soon. Sadly Apple has that luxury to not innovate much and to not constantly have to put out new designs. WP does not have that luxury as it scratches and claws for market share to not fall into the abyss of dead mobile platforms.

    I'm not saying all of this disparage WP, I like it. But it is lacking and does need a lot of work before it is a serious alternative in the mobile world. Sticking our head's in the sand and begging the tech blogs to be gentle is not going to change that.

    I hate posts like yours that are filled with incorrect things that one could find out with a 2 second bing/google search.

    1. Airplay - this is apples marketing term for DLNA which has been around far longer than airplay. LG, Samsung and Nokia have this built in to their windows phones....have you read any of the reviews?
    2. Entertainment platform - MS have arguably the best platform technically. Windows phone has a normal type of buying each track system but they also have the subscription side which is baked into the phone(zunepass)....it's awesome. Is it as popular as the whole itunes ecosystem? of course not....android does not have a comparable platform. Zune on the pc is just beautiful
    3. Cloud hub....have you seen what microsoft has done with windows phone, skydrive, sharepoint integration all with office built in (onenote in particular is awesome....). I think they have an awesome hub for this stuff....for business anyway it's far better than what comes with an iphone stock.
    4. Xbox live games is already integrated. There is even the ability to allow you to pick up from one point on your phone after xbox360 (live games). I do agree that microsoft has kept the platform closed except for their own games with respect to the core OS so developers cannot use their own platforms on the device...however, the marketshare is so low with windows phone right now that until they boost it a big more, I think they did the right thing to concentrate in other areas first.

    I think the reason developers do not publish first for windows phone is because as it stands, windows phone has next to no marketshare. It's quite obvious. It's the same reason why 99% of software does not get developed for OSX on the mac. If Microsoft didn't have deep pockets and an incredible development platform, I would say they are toast...however, Microsoft seem to be willing to take any amount of time and money to make this work so eventually they probably will do well.

    I actually would say you are just making derogatory comments to troll....
    I have no problem with people saying they just don't like windows phone as I can buy that. It's definitely not for everyone with the live tiles and the design of the OS. However, when you make completely false statements it lends more credibility that you are just trolling which is not cool.
    04-05-2012 09:34 AM
  20. Kahuna Cowboy's Avatar
    I hate posts like yours that are filled with incorrect things that one could find out with a 2 second bing/google search.

    1. Airplay - this is apples marketing term for DLNA which has been around far longer than airplay. LG, Samsung and Nokia have this built in to their windows phones....have you read any of the reviews?
    2. Entertainment platform - MS have arguably the best platform technically. Windows phone has a normal type of buying each track system but they also have the subscription side which is baked into the phone(zunepass)....it's awesome. Is it as popular as the whole itunes ecosystem? of course not....android does not have a comparable platform. Zune on the pc is just beautiful
    3. Cloud hub....have you seen what microsoft has done with windows phone, skydrive, sharepoint integration all with office built in (onenote in particular is awesome....). I think they have an awesome hub for this stuff....for business anyway it's far better than what comes with an iphone stock.
    4. Xbox live games is already integrated. There is even the ability to allow you to pick up from one point on your phone after xbox360 (live games). I do agree that microsoft has kept the platform closed except for their own games with respect to the core OS so developers cannot use their own platforms on the device...however, the marketshare is so low with windows phone right now that until they boost it a big more, I think they did the right thing to concentrate in other areas first.

    I think the reason developers do not publish first for windows phone is because as it stands, windows phone has next to no marketshare. It's quite obvious. It's the same reason why 99% of software does not get developed for OSX on the mac. If Microsoft didn't have deep pockets and an incredible development platform, I would say they are toast...however, Microsoft seem to be willing to take any amount of time and money to make this work so eventually they probably will do well.

    I actually would say you are just making derogatory comments to troll....
    I have no problem with people saying they just don't like windows phone as I can buy that. It's definitely not for everyone with the live tiles and the design of the OS. However, when you make completely false statements it lends more credibility that you are just trolling which is not cool.
    You know what I can't stand? People who talk down to others with a holier than thou attitude and proceed to disparage that person's opinion with his own opionions passing them off as if they were fact. It really is quite pompous, as was your tone.

    But hey, it's cool. Just keep on believing everyone who owns a Windows Phone and points out its lacking flaws is just a troll.

    How very 6th grade.

    Good day to you sir.
    04-05-2012 10:48 AM
  21. tekhna's Avatar
    You know what I can't stand? People who talk down to others with a holier than thou attitude and proceed to disparage that person's opinion with his own opionions passing them off as if they were fact. It really is quite pompous, as was your tone.

    But hey, it's cool. Just keep on believing everyone who owns a Windows Phone and points out its lacking flaws is just a troll.

    How very 6th grade.

    Good day to you sir.
    Yeah, it's sort of worrying--I've seen posts that are almost word-for-word what I saw over at precentral before that went up in flames. People want WP7 to succeed, and being critical, but friendly, is no sin.
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    04-05-2012 11:42 AM
  22. threed61's Avatar
    The difference is that instead of an HP who was too distracted with internal issues to deal with webOS, we have MS and Nokia who are very focused on making WP succeed. Even the biggest fans at precentral knew that webOS was dead, and it contributed to a very defensive attitude. Here, fans are assertive, but also pretty optimistic. There is only the normal percent of negative posters at wpcentral.
    04-05-2012 12:07 PM
  23. Oldmajor's Avatar
    To start off Zune is SUPERIOR to iTunes. Every iTunes user I've introduced to Zune and Zune Pass are left shocked and comment how its better mainly because the UI is great.

    Now the rest. How many apps do you need. We know the Windows has 90% of the top apps. They have an even more aggressive plan to get the other 10%. I can't believe for 1 second that people just come here to post on the forum and not read any of the articles that state these facts. A 2 year ecosystem designed from nothing at its at 80,000+ apps to date is a very good pace. iPhone to WP7 is not Apples to Apples nor for that matter is comparing Android.

    For one Windows Phone hardware is made by partners but restricted by Microsoft requirements. Secondly it is not the wild west like Android where I could build a phone at my house and put Android on it. Its a new thing!

    I've had an Motorolo Q9C, iPhone, Samsung Epic and an HTC Arrive, and I love my Arrive far more. the only thing that comes close is the iPhone, but with Skydrive, Zune Pass, XBox Live, Camera button, and MS Office, WP7 is a winner for me
    04-05-2012 01:09 PM
  24. squire777's Avatar
    I hate posts like yours that are filled with incorrect things that one could find out with a 2 second bing/google search.

    1. Airplay - this is apples marketing term for DLNA which has been around far longer than airplay. LG, Samsung and Nokia have this built in to their windows phones....have you read any of the reviews?
    2. Entertainment platform - MS have arguably the best platform technically. Windows phone has a normal type of buying each track system but they also have the subscription side which is baked into the phone(zunepass)....it's awesome. Is it as popular as the whole itunes ecosystem? of course not....android does not have a comparable platform. Zune on the pc is just beautiful
    3. Cloud hub....have you seen what microsoft has done with windows phone, skydrive, sharepoint integration all with office built in (onenote in particular is awesome....). I think they have an awesome hub for this stuff....for business anyway it's far better than what comes with an iphone stock.
    4. Xbox live games is already integrated. There is even the ability to allow you to pick up from one point on your phone after xbox360 (live games). I do agree that microsoft has kept the platform closed except for their own games with respect to the core OS so developers cannot use their own platforms on the device...however, the marketshare is so low with windows phone right now that until they boost it a big more, I think they did the right thing to concentrate in other areas first.

    I think the reason developers do not publish first for windows phone is because as it stands, windows phone has next to no marketshare. It's quite obvious. It's the same reason why 99% of software does not get developed for OSX on the mac. If Microsoft didn't have deep pockets and an incredible development platform, I would say they are toast...however, Microsoft seem to be willing to take any amount of time and money to make this work so eventually they probably will do well.

    I actually would say you are just making derogatory comments to troll....
    I have no problem with people saying they just don't like windows phone as I can buy that. It's definitely not for everyone with the live tiles and the design of the OS. However, when you make completely false statements it lends more credibility that you are just trolling which is not cool.

    Good post.

    I hate when people constantly dump on WP7 for not having certain features that other mobile OSes have, yet continue to ignore features that WP7 had for a long time that other platforms didn't.

    With a little more market share things will improve because at the moment the disparity in certain apps is shrinking by the day as more developers jump on board. The only problem Microsoft had was entering an area which had already been saturated by iPhone and Android. I think with the launch of the Lumia line things are already looking better.
    04-05-2012 02:36 PM
  25. cckgz4's Avatar
    I've no longer invested in what reviewers have to say cause they barely use the phone to make a verdict on it. Aaron from PhoneDog was reviewing the 710 and didn't know the camera was a two step button. Thought the screen tap was the only way to focus, and started SHAKING the phone when he couldn't press the camera button and focus it. I simply look at reviews to get a closer look at the phones. Taking their words to the heart would be like getting upset over what a complete stranger would say about me because they glimpsed at my facebook page.
    04-06-2012 04:27 AM
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