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  1. jimmyjunk30's Avatar
    Those are the same results I get dkp23.

    Setting the ISO to 200 helps in some cases, but makes capturing a moving subject like a pet or a baby very difficult.

    Other shots indoors are lousy no matter what you do...
    04-30-2012 02:34 PM
  2. YingTK's Avatar
    Here are some examples of indoor pictures.

    As you can see my dogs is pretty pissed that the camera sucks too..

    Look at how much background noise there is. I am not in the dark, this is during the day and it comes out pretty bad..

    They are running the Camera Beta Test commercials right now, i saw it a bunch of times and cant help myself from cringing when the guy goes "even in low light settings"...
    Agree, proud Lumia 900 user here, but I would NEVER say my phone takes good pictures in low light environment, not even close.
    04-30-2012 02:36 PM
  3. dkp23's Avatar
    Those are the same results I get dkp23.

    Setting the ISO to 200 helps in some cases, but makes capturing a moving subject like a pet or a baby very difficult.

    Other shots indoors are lousy no matter what you do...
    I tried every setting combo i could think of, it comes out the same. I agree it may come out a little better, but with the sacrifice of color...

    I think it is safe to say that the Camera is the issue not the USER!
    04-30-2012 02:40 PM
  4. dkp23's Avatar
    Now here is a picture taken indoors at night with just the lamp on..

    You still see background noise as expected in the dark, but look how much better it looks than an indoor somewhat lighted area during the day taken with the 900. I should not be seeing the type of background bluish noise in daylight pictures indoors..inexcusable..

    This was taken with a focus S.

    My GF is an avid photographer, not a professional one and when i got the samsung focus s, she made fun of me cuz it was a windows phone....Then i started taking pictures and she was quite surprised and actually said at one point "should i get one too?" to replace her iphone 4. I told her no cuz i know she wont like the OS....Fast forward to getting the 900, she was like "why did you switch phones? the camera sucks!" Take it for what that is worth...
    04-30-2012 02:46 PM
  5. jimmyjunk30's Avatar
    Yeah the Focus is clearly much better...
    04-30-2012 02:51 PM
  6. jbjtkbw007's Avatar
    I'd like to see a picture taken in low light settings...
    I'll take some and get them up in a day or two. I was just sitting around watching TV and reading posts yesterday and snapped a few. Let me clean up after the kids are gone, and I'll do a couple.
    04-30-2012 02:54 PM
  7. cp2_4eva's Avatar
    Do any of you use flash? It's there ya know. Even in the daylight sometimes flash helps. Natural light and electric lighting are two different things. Also gives you a different picture temperature. Notice how if you take a pic when the sun is almost down and you face the photo subject to the light you will still get a better pic on most cases versus a pic taken indoor with a lamp light.
    04-30-2012 03:49 PM
  8. Cartman's Avatar
    Bottom line is that the camera sucks on the Lumia 900. Was really hoping that it would be as good as the iPhone 4S but it's the worst camera I have had in a mobile phone in years.

    Oh well...good thing I dont use the camera much :)
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    04-30-2012 05:53 PM
  9. socialcarpet's Avatar
    Yeah the Focus is clearly much better...
    :lol:
    04-30-2012 05:59 PM
  10. cdd543's Avatar
    It's hard to justify keeping the phone when it's launching the same time there are so many good camera phones out there like the 4s, htc one series...Galaxy S3 coming soon will probably improve on the very good Galaxy s2. Hopefully an update will come soon addressing it.
    04-30-2012 08:45 PM
  11. jd914's Avatar
    absolutely not. I knew what I was getting into as far as the camera goes before I got my Lumia so it's not a deal breaker.

    Anyone thats disappointed, you simply didn't do your homework.
    Residing likes this.
    04-30-2012 08:48 PM
  12. cckgz4's Avatar
    As much as I don't like taking pics on this phone, I can't leave the blue

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    04-30-2012 09:04 PM
  13. joeaux's Avatar
    Man I tell ya, the thing is no iPhone 4S but it takes damn good pictures. I think it may be like some of the other problems with this phone. Some hardware is just bad, period. I went through two cyan 900s before I got a white one. This one is a keeper. Perfect. Display, buttons, radios, camera everything, good. And with a camera, it's got a lot to do with who is taking the pictures. Check out some of the pics in the pictures thread for the Lumia. It's obvious the photographer has a lot to do with it (and I don't mean me, I suck at photography).
    -joe-
    04-30-2012 10:03 PM
  14. dkp23's Avatar
    Do any of you use flash? It's there ya know. Even in the daylight sometimes flash helps. Natural light and electric lighting are two different things. Also gives you a different picture temperature. Notice how if you take a pic when the sun is almost down and you face the photo subject to the light you will still get a better pic on most cases versus a pic taken indoor with a lamp light.
    i shouldnt need to flash indoors on a sunny day like i never had to with my iphone 4 or focus s.
    05-01-2012 02:19 AM
  15. milk242's Avatar
    Very disappointed with the camera at a wedding this past weekend. At the reception which was at night and the room at low light conditions, the camera was atrocious. The flash somehow makes the photos worse. Here is an example of the same light conditions but one with flash and the other with no flash and all other settings are default.

    No Flash:


    Flash:


    Also in video mode, the camera has a really hard time focusing on something. It's constantly adjusting focus and it's very noticeable.

    But I don't use cameras on phones that often so I'll still be keeping the Lumia and hopefully Nokia WP8 offerings won't disappoint.
    05-01-2012 03:22 AM
  16. PhilR8's Avatar
    I would never rely on a smartphone camera to capture "special moments", that's what a DSLR is for.
    This argument is so tired. Give it a rest.
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    05-01-2012 09:22 AM
  17. PhilR8's Avatar
    absolutely not. I knew what I was getting into as far as the camera goes before I got my Lumia so it's not a deal breaker.

    Anyone thats disappointed, you simply didn't do your homework.
    This is also a silly argument. It's not about "homework" - it's about a breach of trust between Nokia and its customers. Do you "Like" Nokia on Facebook? I do, and on a daily basis Nokia posts about how the camera on the 900 is awesome. They continue to advertise that the camera is a strength when clearly even you JD, a mean-spirited fanboy, knows that the camera is poor. And yet, you're so blinded by your love of Nokia that your reaction is to blame us, the customer, for trusting Nokia. "Read the reviews, you should've known the camera was crappy. Deal with it and buy a DSLR."

    This is not how you attract customers. This is how you alienate them. Promise a new, exciting user experience that includes a great camera. This will surely attract iOS users, right? Then they buy the device, notice the camera is not as good as the camera on the 4S, and your response, JD, is to say, "your fault, you should've know the camera was bad." That customer is now going to return the 900, go back to the iPhone, and never look back.
    05-01-2012 09:31 AM
  18. JPDVM2014's Avatar
    The camera is more than adequate for me. Yes, it isn't the best, but it is better than my Trophy. I am no photographer by any means, so maybe my standards aren't that high. But the pics of the dog look fine to me. All I want is pics to put on facebook/twitter. I guess if I was printing them out it would be a different story.
    05-01-2012 10:03 AM
  19. Alex Rodriguez Jr.'s Avatar
    I think the timing of the flash is off... It feels wrong. Also, I feel as though the camera doesn't focus properly. Both can be fixed with software updates - hopefully they come.
    05-01-2012 11:04 AM
  20. N8ter's Avatar
    I would never rely on a smartphone camera to capture "special moments", that's what a DSLR is for.
    Makes 0 sense.

    Yep, let's run around everywhere with a DSLR when a smartphone can get the job done. Nevermind that's 1 more device you have to carry around.

    The issue is not that he's using a smartphone. The issue is that the smartphone he's using has a crappy camera. He's not the only one. Us HD7 and DVP users had to deal with the same issues, as did users on other platforms (remember the G2's crappy camera, Lulz).

    A phone with a good camera is good enough. I'm suprised people are actually still fumbling with the "that's what a DSLR is for" retorts, though. Thought that died out in late 2010.

    It's already been proven that good smartphone cameras (iPhone 4/4S, Nokia N8, etc.) can deliver fantastic results for prosumers without the need to carry around a [bulky in some cases] DSLR.
    05-01-2012 12:33 PM
  21. N8ter's Avatar
    Here are some examples of indoor pictures.

    As you can see my dogs is pretty pissed that the camera sucks too..

    Look at how much background noise there is. I am not in the dark, this is during the day and it comes out pretty bad..

    They are running the Camera Beta Test commercials right now, i saw it a bunch of times and cant help myself from cringing when the guy goes "even in low light settings"...
    Those some of the noisiest pictures I've ever seen come out of a highMP cell phone camera, especially one that was raved for having good camera hardware in the marketing (Carl Zeiss this and that, etc.). It's actually worse than the HD7 since that phone tends to produce less noisey images and both of them seem to have bad white balance.

    My iPod Touch's 0.7MP camera doesn't even produce still images that noisey.
    05-01-2012 12:40 PM
  22. Thuoudo's Avatar
    A bigger sensor is simply better with regards to low noise. A bigger lens is simply better at gathering light. Pixel density and sensor efficiency matter.

    As of right now, there is "no replacement for displacement." Even the PureView, at full size and using all 41 million interpolated pixels, shows noise in low light shots.

    Now on the thread title: No, not to me. When I take pictures with my phones, I know they will be terrible and it's a "something is better than nothing" situation. Would a better camera be welcome? Absolutely. But I already have a real camera.
    05-01-2012 01:38 PM
  23. jimmyjunk30's Avatar
    This is honestly driving me nuts guys. Been killing myself trying to figure out what to do. If it wasnt for my daughter I wouldnt care as much, but really want to be able to snap good impromptu pictures of her.

    At this point I think Im going to return the L900, as much as it pains me, and get a Titan II.

    I wonder if I will be able to keep my 100 dollar discount if I return the L900?
    05-01-2012 01:57 PM
  24. N8ter's Avatar
    A bigger sensor is simply better with regards to low noise. A bigger lens is simply better at gathering light. Pixel density and sensor efficiency matter.

    As of right now, there is "no replacement for displacement." Even the PureView, at full size and using all 41 million interpolated pixels, shows noise in low light shots.

    Now on the thread title: No, not to me. When I take pictures with my phones, I know they will be terrible and it's a "something is better than nothing" situation. Would a better camera be welcome? Absolutely. But I already have a real camera.
    I know this. But it's noticeably noisey than the pictures I get out of my HD7 at similar light levels in addition to havins some of the same (or what looks like the same) white balance issues (though the HD7 is a bit worse off there).

    Additionally, no one should buy a smartphone knowing the pictures will be terrible. Terrible cameras on smartphones are quickly becoming a showstopper. There are a number of high-end Android phones with amazing Cameras, the iPhones have amazing cameras. Some Nokia Symbian phones have amazing cameras, and ofc most of Sony's devices have really good to amazing cameras. I've seen 3.2MP cameras from years ago that take better pictures, and they didn't have DSLR sensors on them, I know that for a fact...

    The pictures I replied to are worse quality than any smartphone I've owned in the past 2-3 years. It's bordering on unacceptable and only usable for someone who barely uses the camera on their phone (and that's a shrinking number as people continue to aggressively consolidate functionality into as few devices as possible).

    You can walk into almost any carrier store and find at last 1 phone with an amazing camera these days, if that's a biggie for you. Those pictures are terribad. They're worse than the output from the Blackberry Bold 9780 5MP Camera that I used to use.

    I heard the video quality wasn't anything to rave about either, and that's usually where showstoppers appear for me (since I use my smartphone to capture video for analysis on my PC, but I use my iTouch for that right now since the HD7 isn't good enough quality). That camera isn't acceptable for me, though, nor is the illogical suggestion that people should expect a terrible camera on a smartphone - in an era where amazing smartphone camers are popping up left and right and there is industry-wide emphasis on improving them.

    That means while you're content with your terrible camera, other people are seeing that output and noticing 85% of the smartphone commercials raving about new camera technology/software/etc. It's very competitive and cameras is one area where companies are competing very hard right now. A lot of people buy iPhones because the camera is amazing, BTW.
    05-01-2012 02:05 PM
  25. N8ter's Avatar
    I've only heard good things about the Titan II camera, though, and last time I tried it in the AT&T store it performed well (emailed the pics to myself and looked at them on the PC screen) considering the light level in the mall store I went to wasn't perfect.
    05-01-2012 02:11 PM
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