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  1. jbjtkbw007's Avatar
    In reference to the OP and the original post, sometimes you just have to try for yourself. You have a return period, so use that to your advantage and don't allow yourself to be scared off by people with issues. You take them with a grain of salt and see for yourself.

    Haters will find any outlet to voice off their issues. Those of us that aren't having any don't nearly post as much. We just keep on keeping on.
    05-08-2012 01:50 PM
  2. hasasimo's Avatar
    Dude, NO phone is without issues when initially released, including the iPhone (though, some of its issues will always be there, not just initially) and various Samsungs. You are SO gonna love your phone and not regret getting it for a second. I promise you that.
    05-08-2012 02:24 PM
  3. Fiann's Avatar
    Truth is I like both the Lumia 900 and the Titan. Like deciding which of your two kids you like best. But I chose the Lumia 900 because of the Carl Zeiss technology and the overall look of the device.

    To the OP, sorry about the incident you and your wife had to deal with. You both got away unhurt and that is a blessing.

    BTW, when you got home, did you try to use the phone finder?
    Yes, I did. Even though I had the update frequency turned up, it was still showing a track from 3:00 pm. This was at midnight so I don't know why it hadn't updated since then. I did remote wipe it though and that appeared to work well.

    So far I'm enjoying the Lumia overall. I have noticed the vibration rattle, but it's nothing I can't deal with.

    I also love the blue color. Outdoors it just seems especially bright, almost glowing, compared to indoors. I almost wonder if Nokia didn't mix in a small amount of florescent color into it.
    Last edited by Fiann; 05-08-2012 at 03:32 PM.
    05-08-2012 02:45 PM
  4. N8ter's Avatar
    Is Nokia Drive really that important that you'd buy Nokia's device when they're trackrecord so far has been rife with issues on all of their devices? All is a bit of an exaggeration - the Lumia 710 actually hasn't seen any show-stopping issues. But the 800 and 900 both launched with critical issues requiring a flurry of updates to try to remedy.

    This sort of feels like the HD2 all over again. Great external build quality, but all sorts of things gone wrong on the inside. Sense was great, but in hindsight it certainly wasn't worth it.

    Also the Carl Zeiss technology means nothing since the Lumia has probably the second worse camera in the WP7 ecosystem. Even the HD2 is better (pink tint notwithstanding) and only the DVP (discontinued) was worse.

    How long will they be able to sell devices on the merits of "looks" if they continue to release mediocre devices?
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    05-08-2012 09:38 PM
  5. Heron_Kusanagi's Avatar
    Is Nokia Drive really that important that you'd buy Nokia's device when they're trackrecord so far has been rife with issues on all of their devices? All is a bit of an exaggeration - the Lumia 710 actually hasn't seen any show-stopping issues. But the 800 and 900 both launched with critical issues requiring a flurry of updates to try to remedy.

    This sort of feels like the HD2 all over again. Great external build quality, but all sorts of things gone wrong on the inside. Sense was great, but in hindsight it certainly wasn't worth it.

    Also the Carl Zeiss technology means nothing since the Lumia has probably the second worse camera in the WP7 ecosystem. Even the HD2 is better (pink tint notwithstanding) and only the DVP (discontinued) was worse.

    How long will they be able to sell devices on the merits of "looks" if they continue to release mediocre devices?
    Considering that Nokia has been on the case, I say that merits the buy.
    05-08-2012 11:09 PM
  6. Alex Rodriguez Jr.'s Avatar
    Mediocre? I knew it was only a matter of time before you crapped all over another forum N8ter... Took long enough to notice you here

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
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    05-08-2012 11:10 PM
  7. N8ter's Avatar
    Yep, 800 required how many patches for the battery life?

    900 launched with data connection issues. They still have to fix the purple screen tint. The camera is still bad.

    Their devices are generally lower quality user experiences than the Samsung and HTC Devices (Titan II, Focus S) at that range. Their Mid-Range offering is better (Lumia 710). Mediocre is a comparative term. The Titan II dumps all over the 900 and I'm suprised people keep going for it over the Titan II given they're on the same carrier and the Titan II is [IMHO] clearly superior.

    Lots of people have had to send their 900s back for a variety of issues apart from those mentioned above. The general quality of the device and the QC behind it just seems severely lacking compared to the HTC/Samsung offerings - so I'm shocked. It sort of feel like people are buying them just to try to keep Nokia afloat, similar to the people raving about how they bought RIM shares for $12/ea at Crackberry.com, Lol.

    The only reason I can see are Look + Nokia's preloaded apps (and Price, but on contract phones the price difference isn't really all that much of a difference between the two at the end of the day).

    And I don't think I was hostile in that post nor did I personally attack anyone. Check yourself.
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    05-09-2012 12:26 AM
  8. naplesbill's Avatar
    I rarely agree with n8ter, but I have to give him this one. I really didn't find the Nokia apps very useful though. I don't often use my phone for navigation though. Also, there are better apps for the marketplace than the app highlights from Nokia.

    I still have faith that Nokia will add value to wp7 and that their devices will only get better. I currently think the Titan II is the best WP device. I also find the SLCD's brighter whites more pleasing than high saturation in colors found on AMOLED. I think it really depends on how you use your device. I do more reading than playing media.

    Sent from my PI86100 using Board Express
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    05-09-2012 06:21 AM
  9. smapor's Avatar
    Nokia the only manufacture pushing WP hard.

    After yesterday annoucemount, Nokia lumia has another advantage.
    05-09-2012 07:30 AM
  10. Hypnopottamus's Avatar
    Yep, 800 required how many patches for the battery life?

    900 launched with data connection issues. They still have to fix the purple screen tint. The camera is still bad.

    Their devices are generally lower quality user experiences than the Samsung and HTC Devices (Titan II, Focus S) at that range. Their Mid-Range offering is better (Lumia 710). Mediocre is a comparative term. The Titan II dumps all over the 900 and I'm suprised people keep going for it over the Titan II given they're on the same carrier and the Titan II is [IMHO] clearly superior.

    Lots of people have had to send their 900s back for a variety of issues apart from those mentioned above. The general quality of the device and the QC behind it just seems severely lacking compared to the HTC/Samsung offerings - so I'm shocked. It sort of feel like people are buying them just to try to keep Nokia afloat, similar to the people raving about how they bought RIM shares for $12/ea at Crackberry.com, Lol.

    The only reason I can see are Look + Nokia's preloaded apps (and Price, but on contract phones the price difference isn't really all that much of a difference between the two at the end of the day).

    And I don't think I was hostile in that post nor did I personally attack anyone. Check yourself.

    The problem I have with this is that you are only getting a narrow view of the entire user experience. Not everyone is having these problems. As a matter of fact, my device is PERFECT. Go onto the AT&T sight and check out the reviews. Pretty stellar. Those with problems are always going to be more vocal. I'm not saying that these problems don't exist, but these seem to be limited to certain batches. There are PLENTY of people out there that experience no problems whatsoever.
    05-09-2012 11:52 AM
  11. Fiann's Avatar
    Is Nokia Drive really that important that you'd buy Nokia's device when they're trackrecord so far has been rife with issues on all of their devices? All is a bit of an exaggeration - the Lumia 710 actually hasn't seen any show-stopping issues. But the 800 and 900 both launched with critical issues requiring a flurry of updates to try to remedy.
    Not really. Most of the Nokia software is more of a bonus than a make or break issue.

    Also the Carl Zeiss technology means nothing since the Lumia has probably the second worse camera in the WP7 ecosystem. Even the HD2 is better (pink tint notwithstanding) and only the DVP (discontinued) was worse.
    Wow, I would beg to differ. I had a Surround before the Titan that I just replaced and the camera on the Surround was crap compared to either one of these, even in good lighting. I agree the L900 camera is somewhat underwhelming but it's a heck of a lot better than that one.
    05-09-2012 04:41 PM
  12. N8ter's Avatar
    Not really. Most of the Nokia software is more of a bonus than a make or break issue.
    But the lack of native VG TBT Nav in WP7 *is* a make or break issue for many people, so they buy the Nokia because it has free TBT but you have to pay HTC for the maps by comparison (and the Locations app didn't have TBT Nav until after Nokia started releasing phones, anyways) That's where I'm coming from.

    There's also a number of apps that are exclusive to Nokia devices that aren't necessarily for Nokia's own services.

    Wow, I would beg to differ. I had a Surround before the Titan that I just replaced and the camera on the Surround was crap compared to either one of these, even in good lighting. I agree the L900 camera is somewhat underwhelming but it's a heck of a lot better than that one.
    When I say better it means I looked at things like color reproduction, noise level in the photos, etc. The Pink tinted HD2 photos I could fix in Photo Shop, the noisy images out of the L900 are a lot more troublesome (the HD2 also had noise, most cell phone cameras do, but some are clearly better than others).

    I didn't just look at the photos on the phone screen (where almost anything looks good) and call it a day.

    In any case, it doesn't matter, cause the camera on competing Mango devices (Focus S and Titan II) are clearly better and at the end of the day that's what most buyers will be choosing between on AT&T now that the costs are starting to come down on those. No one is buying HD2/7s and DVPs except on eBay or CL these days (intentional generalization). That exaggeration for more for effect than literal accuracy, to get the point across. My apologies.

    HTC generally did not make top of the line camera until mid 2011 when they really started to put emphasis on it, so it doens't suprise me that the Surround had a terrible camera however I don't remember mentioning the HTC Surround in any of my posts... ...
    05-09-2012 10:00 PM
  13. N8ter's Avatar
    The problem I have with this is that you are only getting a narrow view of the entire user experience. Not everyone is having these problems. As a matter of fact, my device is PERFECT. Go onto the AT&T sight and check out the reviews. Pretty stellar. Those with problems are always going to be more vocal. I'm not saying that these problems don't exist, but these seem to be limited to certain batches. There are PLENTY of people out there that experience no problems whatsoever.
    A lot of people had perfect Bold 9780s but it didn't invalidate the issue that RIM QC on that device was terrible given the amount of people who had faulty keyboards and tilting trackpads.

    Like I said in another post, WorksForMe™ does not mean the device is somehow flawless. Few if any devices are flawless, it just so happens Nokia has had the most issues with their (esp high end) Windows Phones of any of the major OEMs producing them, maybe with the only exception being the Focus FW Revision issues but that didn't really affect usability (like poor battery life, underwhelming camera, and purple screen hue does, buttons going out, freezing/stuttering during use, etc.). It was more of an update fiasco.

    I never stated everyone had issues with their Lumia, nor did I imply that no one should be happy with their device. I simply stated that from the time Nokia has entered the WP7 device market, their devices have had more issues than Samsung and HTC. I think that's pretty obvious, so I don't know what the hostility and debate is about (there is no debate, as far as I'm concerned).

    Nokia still seems to be riding the same hype they were riding before they started releasing phones. Hopefully they can get it together before it dies down.
    05-09-2012 10:05 PM
  14. Hypnopottamus's Avatar
    A lot of people had perfect Bold 9780s but it didn't invalidate the issue that RIM QC on that device was terrible given the amount of people who had faulty keyboards and tilting trackpads.

    Like I said in another post, WorksForMe™ does not mean the device is somehow flawless. Few if any devices are flawless, it just so happens Nokia has had the most issues with their (esp high end) Windows Phones of any of the major OEMs producing them, maybe with the only exception being the Focus FW Revision issues but that didn't really affect usability (like poor battery life, underwhelming camera, and purple screen hue does, buttons going out, freezing/stuttering during use, etc.). It was more of an update fiasco.

    I never stated everyone had issues with their Lumia, nor did I imply that no one should be happy with their device. I simply stated that from the time Nokia has entered the WP7 device market, their devices have had more issues than Samsung and HTC. I think that's pretty obvious, so I don't know what the hostility and debate is about (there is no debate, as far as I'm concerned).

    Nokia still seems to be riding the same hype they were riding before they started releasing phones. Hopefully they can get it together before it dies down.
    No hostility here bro. Just needed point out that not everyone was having problems w/ their Lumia 900's. Also, on the internet, people that have issues tend to express their opinions more than those with no issues. No phone is perfect. But if one is to make their opinion on whether or not to get a device based on what some people say in a forum, you're going to get a skewed view. I can attest to this. I was VERY reticent about getting this device after coming to this forum. I just one day decided to say "screw it! I'm getting this device!" It turned out my worries were all for nothing. I have ABSOLUTELY NO ISSUES with my device.

    Again, I'm not saying these issues don't exist. I'm just saying that all the issues people may be having with their device may only be coming from a small (but vocal) sample of all Lumia 900 owners.
    05-10-2012 12:34 AM
  15. Fiann's Avatar
    HTC generally did not make top of the line camera until mid 2011 when they really started to put emphasis on it, so it doens't suprise me that the Surround had a terrible camera however I don't remember mentioning the HTC Surround in any of my posts... ...
    You did, just not by name. You said "the Lumia has probably the second worse camera in the WP7 ecosystem. Even the HD2 is better (pink tint notwithstanding) and only the DVP (discontinued) was worse." The HTC Surround falls into the WP7 ecosystem category. I was pointing out that it, too, was a worse camera than the Lumia.
    05-10-2012 01:40 PM
  16. socialcarpet's Avatar
    No hostility here bro. Just needed point out that not everyone was having problems w/ their Lumia 900's. Also, on the internet, people that have issues tend to express their opinions more than those with no issues. No phone is perfect. But if one is to make their opinion on whether or not to get a device based on what some people say in a forum, you're going to get a skewed view. I can attest to this. I was VERY reticent about getting this device after coming to this forum. I just one day decided to say "screw it! I'm getting this device!" It turned out my worries were all for nothing. I have ABSOLUTELY NO ISSUES with my device.

    Again, I'm not saying these issues don't exist. I'm just saying that all the issues people may be having with their device may only be coming from a small (but vocal) sample of all Lumia 900 owners.
    Exactly.

    The only reason you seem to hear so much about the Lumia is:

    A) People come to forums to vent/ask for help more than they do to check in and say everything's great.

    ...and

    B) Nokia has sold more Lumia 900's in a few weeks than HTC and Samsung sell Windows Phones in a year. It's a numbers game. If you have 27 people who own HTC Titan's and 2,027 who own Lumia's what do you think the odds are going to be that you'll hear more complaints about the Lumia. A 5th grader can do that math.

    ...and of course

    C) N8ter does nothing but troll and start arguments here. I haven't seen him make a single positive contribution. That should color anyone's opinion of what he has to say on any subject here.
    05-11-2012 12:11 AM
  17. jimski's Avatar
    You did, just not by name. You said "the Lumia has probably the second worse camera in the WP7 ecosystem. Even the HD2 is better (pink tint notwithstanding) and only the DVP (discontinued) was worse." The HTC Surround falls into the WP7 ecosystem category. I was pointing out that it, too, was a worse camera than the Lumia.
    Dunno. Think it might be the way you are holding it. Cause I have taken some fantastic pictures with my Surround the past two years.

    Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express
    05-11-2012 01:27 AM
  18. KingCrimson's Avatar
    I'm quite satisfied so far with my L900 after almost 3 weeks of usage. However I'm upgrading to the Apollo flagship device early next year. I definitely want to be able to take awesome pictures, be able to have more then 5 suspended apps in multitask view and many other things.
    05-11-2012 01:56 AM
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