10-31-2012 11:14 AM
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  1. ncxcstud's Avatar
    As long as my pre-order from best buy is honored I'm happy. I still expect that I'll be getting a L920 sometime between this Friday and next Friday.

    Who knows, maybe they held back on news because a 3rd of the country might not hear it in time with Hurricane Sandy weaving its way through the northeast... Who knows.

    It is frustrating though not hearing anything from ATT after they already said they were going to offer it in November and be the exclusive carrier.
    10-30-2012 09:07 AM
  2. dmcneil330's Avatar
    I dont think any case can be made for any company involved in the release if Windows Phone 8 in favor of how this is going.

    You can't announce something for months and then never give concrete information. Although, at the event yesterday i think it is a bit outrageous to expect Microsoft to announce availability across carriers it would have been a very very very good move.

    As it stands we are all sitting in limbo trying to figure out when these devices are going to be launched. All anyone has to go on are rumors and speculations. This is no way to release a product no matter how you look at it.

    The analogy has been made previously but it is a good one. When Apple releases its newest update to iPhone you can order it almost immediately after. The same could be done with Windows Phone. It just takes coordination which none of the companies even tried to do.

    Disappointing. Lucky for them id rather go back to a regular flip phone before migrating to iPhone or Android.
    10-30-2012 09:19 AM
  3. dmcneil330's Avatar
    I dont think any case can be made for any company involved in the release if Windows Phone 8 in favor of how this is going.

    You can't announce something for months and then never give concrete information. Although, at the event yesterday i think it is a bit outrageous to expect Microsoft to announce availability across carriers it would have been a very very very good move.

    As it stands we are all sitting in limbo trying to figure out when these devices are going to be launched. All anyone has to go on are rumors and speculations. This is no way to release a product no matter how you look at it.

    The analogy has been made previously but it is a good one. When Apple releases its newest update to iPhone you can order it almost immediately after. The same could be done with Windows Phone. It just takes coordination which none of the companies even tried to do.

    Disappointing. Lucky for them id rather go back to a regular flip phone before migrating to iPhone or Android.
    10-30-2012 09:19 AM
  4. DallasFann's Avatar
    Well with ATT supposedly the premiere carrier in the US this is just another blow to WP. This was the chance to keep the buzz going and instead silence. Now I see more of the tech sites talking about the Nexus 4 instead of WP. Another failed WP launch by MS and its partners. MS is ALL IN? I don't think so.
    10-30-2012 09:21 AM
  5. ncxcstud's Avatar

    The analogy has been made previously but it is a good one. When Apple releases its newest update to iPhone you can order it almost immediately after. The same could be done with Windows Phone. It just takes coordination which none of the companies even tried to do.
    I don't think its a very good analogy. Apple controls the release, the OS, the hardware, and the production line. They control everything. They have the clout to tell carriers - get ready this is when we're coming...

    Microsoft controls the OS
    Nokia, HTC, and Samsung control production lines and hardware
    Carriers control release to their customers.

    I'm not saying some elbow grease and handshakes wouldn't help in this matter, but it isn't like its an easy thing to accomplish either.
    10-30-2012 09:28 AM
  6. theefman's Avatar
    Well with ATT supposedly the premiere carrier in the US this is just another blow to WP. This was the chance to keep the buzz going and instead silence. Now I see more of the tech sites talking about the Nexus 4 instead of WP. Another failed WP launch by MS and its partners. MS is ALL IN? I don't think so.
    I think the 8x is being pushed as the face of WP8, not the 920. And when you consider things like availability its not hard to see why. The 920 is probably the most sought after WP8 phone but will be the hardest to come by so really isn't a good choice for the WP flagship.

    However, I think the launch was poor simply because there really isn't anything groundbreaking in WP8 and all the features have been leaked already, so there really wasn't anything for sites to talk about, so its no wonder they have moved on to their darling android. They weren't fans of WP to begin with, MS just gave them another reason to ignore it.
    10-30-2012 09:30 AM
  7. Reeves's Avatar
    I don't think its a very good analogy. Apple controls the release, the OS, the hardware, and the production line. They control everything. They have the clout to tell carriers - get ready this is when we're coming...

    Microsoft controls the OS
    Nokia, HTC, and Samsung control production lines and hardware
    Carriers control release to their customers.

    I'm not saying some elbow grease and handshakes wouldn't help in this matter, but it isn't like its an easy thing to accomplish either.
    Ostensibly, this is why Microsoft finishes the OS and ships it off in early September, then schedules an announcement for late October. You know, so they could coordinate and get things nailed down?

    As it stands, they just had an event yesterday for products that are anywhere between 2 (Lumia 810) and 9 weeks (Samsung Ativ Odyssey) away from being released in the US. No, the US is not the only phone market, but it's a huge one that is crucial for Microsoft to crack.

    Best of all, they kept the SDK away from developers so that they could "blow us away with new features close to launch" according to Joe Belfiore. Almost all of the features leaked anyway, so now they have the worst of both worlds: a wet fart announcement that revealed very little new and the fact that developers are just getting their hands on the SDK now, so the WP8 software is likely to be anemic for the foreseeable future.
    10-30-2012 09:39 AM
  8. taudilee's Avatar
    Well it would make no sense for the developer of the firmware to be the one to reveal that.
    well, MS announced for TMobile and Verizon. Apple and Amazon did the same thing. between IPhone 5 and 920, I finally decided to stick to 920. But the lack of this basic information again and again showed me Nokia's execution capability and not able to work things out with MS or ATT
    10-30-2012 09:42 AM
  9. dmcneil330's Avatar
    I don't think its a very good analogy. Apple controls the release, the OS, the hardware, and the production line. They control everything. They have the clout to tell carriers - get ready this is when we're coming...

    Microsoft controls the OS
    Nokia, HTC, and Samsung control production lines and hardware
    Carriers control release to their customers.

    I'm not saying some elbow grease and handshakes wouldn't help in this matter, but it isn't like its an easy thing to accomplish either.
    Agreed. However, with the future of most of those companies in the mobile market (or on market at all) on the line you'd think they'd put more emphasis on coordination.

    If they can't do that then i don't think balmer can say that this launch is "all-in".

    Maybe my expectation are too high. So far the only company i think can even mention being "all-in" for launches is Apple (who still has to deal with carriers and manufacturing issues, even though they have a greater control).
    10-30-2012 10:03 AM
  10. JUSTQUAN2's Avatar
    I think one thing to consider for att is the galaxy note 2 is right around the corner, comes out on the 6th if I'm not mistaken. So the hold off may be because of that device. I figure let the fans of the note get their devices(which is quite a few) then push out the L920. Now it sucks for WP8 but how the game is played. I do have a feeling some android and ios users will pick one up for something different. I am!
    10-30-2012 10:36 AM
  11. erasure25's Avatar
    We know training is still scrambling to happen in the US across carriers. That's going to be a problem as reps continually steer customers to what they know and what they can make a commission off of - Android. The Lumia's US software is still "pre-release" and "not final", yet the 8X's is finished? Products will dribble into stores across three US carriers from the 14th until December? Huge opportunity missed as lots of holiday contract renewals have already been snapped up by Galaxy S3, iPhone 5, and Galaxy Note II.
    Hopefully with all this training lead time, the reps will be as good as the reps for the Surface RT. At least where I was, the reps did a reasonably good job showing all the features of the Surface RT and seemed pretty knowledgeable. (Although I did not ask a lot of questions - I was more like, "Here's my money already!!!")
    10-30-2012 12:29 PM
  12. dmcneil330's Avatar
    Hopefully with all this training lead time, the reps will be as good as the reps for the Surface RT. At least where I was, the reps did a reasonably good job showing all the features of the Surface RT and seemed pretty knowledgeable. (Although I did not ask a lot of questions - I was more like, "Here's my money already!!!")
    I'm okay with training but i don't accept that as a reason to not release the device. Training is for sales people whose jobs are to inform customers of each device's capabilities. What about those of us who already know what we want? Should we have to wait for sales people we won't even have to talk to to be up to date on something we've already decided?

    If training is the sole reason why they aren't releasing then i call BS b/c they can release it for online pre-order or at least give a date for release so the people who are already informed and have their minds made up can pre-order and have their devices shipped to them as quickly as possible.

    This will help get the devices out so undecided people will see people who have decided using the phones thereby making everyone WP user a sales person/promotional opportunity. Word of mouth is how this needs to be spread not through marketing and advertising. Get the people the devices so we can tell our friends it's actually worth their time. I'm pretty sure more people are likely to do something b/c their friends suggested it than because a sales person said "it can take pictures really well"
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    10-30-2012 12:42 PM
  13. myonlyclone's Avatar
    I'm going to chime in with absolutely no credibility at all in these forums.

    I spoke with my AT&T rep today and she said what she is hearing internally is that the delays in communication and distribution are being blamed on the mess in the Northeast. She said she had several preorder/demo devices that we're due on Monday and got held till tomorrow. If this is true, it is possible that AT&T was set to announce something on Monday and held their plans due to distribution issues over the next few days (i.e. demo handsets can't even get to the reps and stores for training).

    Anyhow, that's what my conversation amounted to with her. And she's always been a reliable source.
    10-30-2012 06:48 PM
  14. mjrtoo's Avatar
    I canceled my 920 preorder from Best Buy because of the lack of hard evidence that it will actually be released soon. And if they are truly having a separate marketplace for Windows RT/windows 8/windows phone 8 applications then I'm having serious reservations about buying anything. ****, even apple got this right, and I f'ing hate iTunes, I am NOT going to pay for an app twice that supposedly can run on all devices the same.
    10-30-2012 07:03 PM
  15. DanteintheDark's Avatar
    I canceled my 920 preorder from Best Buy because of the lack of hard evidence that it will actually be released soon. And if they are truly having a separate marketplace for Windows RT/windows 8/windows phone 8 applications then I'm having serious reservations about buying anything. ****, even apple got this right, and I f'ing hate iTunes, I am NOT going to pay for an app twice that supposedly can run on all devices the same.
    For the record, while apple may have one "marketplace," if an app is purchased for iPad, it doesn't work on OSX or iPhone. Same goes for an OSX app, it wouldn't work on iPhone or iPad and you'd have to repurchase what is essentially the same app. The only configuration that does work is that a purchase on the iPhone will technically play on the iPad but, trust me, going from an iPhone app to a retina iPad looks horrendous and you'll end up buying both versions. I know because I own all of these devices.

    I don't agree with it much more than you do, but the fact remains that some portion of these apps end up getting redesigned to work on each device (different system architecture/different resolutions/whatever). This costs the developer money, so I can see why they'd expect you to pay more (not saying I agree). My bigger issue is with the costs of windows apps versus IOS/Android apps... it's outrageous!
    10-30-2012 07:31 PM
  16. erasure25's Avatar
    I canceled my 920 preorder from Best Buy because of the lack of hard evidence that it will actually be released soon. And if they are truly having a separate marketplace for Windows RT/windows 8/windows phone 8 applications then I'm having serious reservations about buying anything. ****, even apple got this right, and I f'ing hate iTunes, I am NOT going to pay for an app twice that supposedly can run on all devices the same.
    Not sure what you mean by Apple got it right... I purchased an app on my iPad and lo and behold, it was the iPhone version (which is either tiny small or super ugly when blown up). I then bought the iPad version. I was charged twice. I think Microsoft is superior because you can't install/buy the "wrong" version on your device.
    10-30-2012 07:53 PM
  17. doublebullout's Avatar
    This is dependent on the app developer, not Apple. An app marked as "Universal" contains both iPhone and iPad versions, so you only buy it once. An iPhone only app will work on an iPad in either 1x or 2x size. Some iPhone only apps still look great on an iPad at 2x; it depends on the app. An iPad only app is iPad only. But most popular apps are sold and labeled as "Universal".


    Sent from my The New iPad using Tapatalk
    10-30-2012 09:57 PM
  18. chevans920's Avatar
    I'm going to chime in with absolutely no credibility at all in these forums.

    I spoke with my AT&T rep today and she said what she is hearing internally is that the delays in communication and distribution are being blamed on the mess in the Northeast. She said she had several preorder/demo devices that we're due on Monday and got held till tomorrow. If this is true, it is possible that AT&T was set to announce something on Monday and held their plans due to distribution issues over the next few days (i.e. demo handsets can't even get to the reps and stores for training).

    Anyhow, that's what my conversation amounted to with her. And she's always been a reliable source.
    Plausible. I know most of the NE hubs were shut down completely. Nothing in or out. Better to have a delayed phone than have people hurt in a storm because I wanted my 920.

    Although, forgive me for my ignorance, where are Nokia phones manufactured? Coming from Asia, I would imagine they would come through the west coast... Europe would be the east.
    10-30-2012 10:09 PM
  19. pavvento's Avatar
    I'm going to chime in with absolutely no credibility at all in these forums.

    I spoke with my AT&T rep today and she said what she is hearing internally is that the delays in communication and distribution are being blamed on the mess in the Northeast. She said she had several preorder/demo devices that we're due on Monday and got held till tomorrow. If this is true, it is possible that AT&T was set to announce something on Monday and held their plans due to distribution issues over the next few days (i.e. demo handsets can't even get to the reps and stores for training).

    Anyhow, that's what my conversation amounted to with her. And she's always been a reliable source.
    This certainly makes sense. I also started thinking tonight that a possible delay could be due to the iPad mini reviews. Perhaps Nokia and AT&T were afraid that with so much going on at the beginning of the week (Windows 8,WP8, iPad mini, Google's announcement) they wouldn't get enough time to be in the press. They could be waiting until that dies down and announce it later in the week with availability very close.
    10-30-2012 10:50 PM
  20. Reeves's Avatar
    I thought about the weather being the holdup, but Lumia 920s with "pre-release" software are going out to reviewers left and right. And HTC 8X's - which we would be subject to the same holdup - are being reviewed with finished software left and right despite not having a much more distinct release window than the 920. (Only T-Mobile has a concrete date, I believe).
    10-30-2012 11:15 PM
  21. unboxfetish's Avatar
    The 920 was already delayed, supposedly to an official launch on 11/11.

    Are you saying that because of the storm, someone at AT&T is telling you that there will be more delays? Delays with in-store demos only or with stock, deliveries, and preorders too?

    Makes me wonder exactly how many boats and how much commerce is being held up by freak weather.
    10-30-2012 11:17 PM
  22. mjrtoo's Avatar
    The fact is, you can buy an app once, and it works on multiple platforms with iOS. Not OSX maybe (I don't have that platform), but certainly iPad and iPhone. You may not like the way it's displayed for that platform, but it works and works perfectly. No matter how it pains me to say it, again, this is the way it should be.
    10-30-2012 11:20 PM
  23. mjrtoo's Avatar
    For the record, while apple may have one "marketplace," if an app is purchased for iPad, it doesn't work on OSX or iPhone. Same goes for an OSX app, it wouldn't work on iPhone or iPad and you'd have to repurchase what is essentially the same app. The only configuration that does work is that a purchase on the iPhone will technically play on the iPad but, trust me, going from an iPhone app to a retina iPad looks horrendous and you'll end up buying both versions. I know because I own all of these devices.

    I don't agree with it much more than you do, but the fact remains that some portion of these apps end up getting redesigned to work on each device (different system architecture/different resolutions/whatever). This costs the developer money, so I can see why they'd expect you to pay more (not saying I agree). My bigger issue is with the costs of windows apps versus IOS/Android apps... it's outrageous!
    At least you can use it on a couple platforms, and I agree, the cost difference for the same app is f'd.
    10-30-2012 11:22 PM
  24. DanteintheDark's Avatar
    This is dependent on the app developer, not Apple. An app marked as "Universal" contains both iPhone and iPad versions, so you only buy it once. An iPhone only app will work on an iPad in either 1x or 2x size. Some iPhone only apps still look great on an iPad at 2x; it depends on the app. An iPad only app is iPad only. But most popular apps are sold and labeled as "Universal".


    Sent from my The New iPad using Tapatalk
    Great point about the universal apps but there are still a decent amount of popular apps that are still not universal. Apps (games) like Angry Birds, bejeweled, words with friends make you purchase separate versions for the iPhone versions and they're all pretty unplayable at 2x. It is definitely nice that the option is present, nonetheless. It would be nice to see MS, at least, incorporate a similar feature into RT/WP, but maybe the operating systems aren't similar enough to work easily? I don't develop, so I don't know the idiosyncrasies in getting an app to work on both platforms. Seems like there'd be a legitimate reason for keeping the stores separate, but maybe it is simply for extra money.
    10-31-2012 12:09 AM
  25. MaulerX's Avatar
    The fact is, you can buy an app once, and it works on multiple platforms with iOS. Not OSX maybe (I don't have that platform), but certainly iPad and iPhone. You may not like the way it's displayed for that platform, but it works and works perfectly. No matter how it pains me to say it, again, this is the way it should be.


    Windows RT shares the same app store as Windows 8. Imagine the cluster-f*ck of a nightmare if they included Windows Phone mobile apps into the app store of a desktop OS.

    Imagine the catastrophe and utter confusion that would create. WindowsRT/Windows8 app stores NEED to be separate from WP8's app store.
    10-31-2012 12:17 AM
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