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  1. joeynox's Avatar
    I sent that from an iPhone with a shattered screen. Sorry about the grammatical errors
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    11-04-2012 08:43 AM
  2. zolgi's Avatar
    I can't believe I have to say this for a 3rd time in this thread. You guys have to stop sugar coating the issue. It's almost 2013, camera phones from 2/3 years ago have taken beautiful photos during the day. We have the s3, onex iphone 4/4s/5 and various others who take excellent photos during daylight. In the day and age day light photos should be on par with the iPhone 4. Saying the Lumia 920 is doing what it's supposed to do is moronic.forget the night shots. The du shots can't be blurry!!! They have to show detail!!! There is no excuse for it not doing this at this point in time unless there is some bug in the hardware or software.
    Compensating by lowering the contrast/exposure is not acceptable . This "bug" should not be present and the fact that it is proves that the companies in charge of the success of this platform are pathetic. I don't care if its patches 5 days after release. This type of bug proves the phone was rushed and who knows whatelse will be wrong with it. With that said I'm undecided what to purchase. I'm 70/30 in favor of the lumia 920 over the 8x
    Daylight pictures in Lumia 920 has been shot using automatic settings so clearly it doesnt work right except in low-light. When you do your own settings it does much better in daylight. It has to be software related problem.
    11-04-2012 08:56 AM
  3. Davidkoh's Avatar
    I can't believe I have to say this for a 3rd time in this thread. You guys have to stop sugar coating the issue. It's almost 2013, camera phones from 2/3 years ago have taken beautiful photos during the day. We have the s3, onex iphone 4/4s/5 and various others who take excellent photos during daylight. In the day and age day light photos should be on par with the iPhone 4. Saying the Lumia 920 is doing what it's supposed to do is moronic.forget the night shots. The du shots can't be blurry!!! They have to show detail!!! There is no excuse for it not doing this at this point in time unless there is some bug in the hardware or software.
    Compensating by lowering the contrast/exposure is not acceptable . This "bug" should not be present and the fact that it is proves that the companies in charge of the success of this platform are pathetic. I don't care if its patches 5 days after release. This type of bug proves the phone was rushed and who knows whatelse will be wrong with it. With that said I'm undecided what to purchase. I'm 70/30 in favor of the lumia 920 over the 8x
    If you think the iPhone 4 takes good pictures you are either delusional or stupid. In perfect lighting you might get a photo you can use for something (still worse than any picture I seen from the Lumia 920), but as soon as you go inside or its not 1 pm outside with loads of light the pictures becomes crap. Also since theres no settings to change the exposure and such you cannot even try to make it better.

    The iPhone 5 on the other hand seems to take some nice daylight photos.
    11-04-2012 09:27 AM
  4. vlad0's Avatar
    Click to view quoted image

    On Nokia.com it says "Take blur-free photos every time"
    So every time doesn't include day time? And if it does, why all the images are blurry and even more, muddy, below the performance of other cameras which have worse lenses?
    Actually, it means exactly that.. I have a PureView phone and gives me blur-free photos.. 99% of the time, which I can't say about my iPhone 5.. in fact, far from it.. especially when flash photography is needed, the iPhone 5 produces unusable photographs, but my PureView smartphone acts like a proper camera...

    It also produces amazing results during the day.. here, take a look: https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resi...B5863880EB!384

    If you click "view original" you can see the full resolution photo.. and yes, its totally "blur free"
    Last edited by vlad0; 11-04-2012 at 09:36 AM.
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    11-04-2012 09:28 AM
  5. Jazmac's Avatar
    Can someone explain to me how Nokia can make a phone and promote the camera as the selling point for the device yet every review that has come out for it says the camera takes dull pictures, not Sharp or crisp? I just don't understand. How can the IPhone 4/5 still have the best phone camera
    THIS!

    I think I'm with you joeynox but iphone having the "best" camera is a stretch. I saw pictures yesterday from a recently released cell phone with the most stunning pictures I ever saw and it wasn't from an iphone.

    As much as I do LOVE what my Nokia 900 can do with Windows Phone Tango, the camera implementation has been less than stellar. These results I saw on that website would put the Nokia 920 out of contention for my cell phone dollars at least until Technocove.com gets the review units in and I can compare, contrast my own snaps and see with my OWN eyes. If the results prove me wrong, I'll continue to promote Nokia. If its no different than the 900, I'm finished with Nokia this trip.

    The 920 lowlight minus flash is a plus, but its the reason why cameras have always come with a flash kit because it works. Image stabilization is cool but a fast shutter fixes that. The HTC 8x continues to look like my next model.
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    11-04-2012 09:33 AM
  6. Jazmac's Avatar
    Actually, it means exactly that.. I have PureView phone and gives me blur-free photos.. 99% of the time, which I can't say about my iPhone 5.. in fact, far from it.. especially when flash photography is needed, the iPhone 5 produces unusable photographs, but my PureView smartphone acts like a proper camera...

    It also produces amazing results during the day.. here, take a look: https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resi...B5863880EB!384
    Those are beautiful vlad0. Thanks for sharing.
    11-04-2012 09:35 AM
  7. Davidkoh's Avatar
    The 920 lowlight minus flash is a plus, but its the reason why cameras have always come with a flash kit because it works. Image stabilization is cool but a fast shutter fixes that. The HTC 8x continues to look like my next model.
    I think the flashes on any mobile phone sucks (I haven't tested the ones which actually use xenon flashes), they always only light up a small portion of the picture. I'd much rather be able to have a longer shutter due to image stabilization.
    11-04-2012 09:50 AM
  8. JMBasquiat's Avatar
    I don't know, these shots from The Verge look pretty good to me. They're not as artificially saturated as those from the Galaxy S3, but that's a good thing.

















    Gallery: Lumia 920 sample photos | The Verge
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    11-04-2012 09:58 AM
  9. B T C's Avatar
    ...I just don't get where this kind of thinking comes from. I just don't.

    The camera in Lumia 920 was supposed to be better, yes. It was supposed to blow the competition away, yes. It was supposed to have absolutely unparalleled performance over any other device out there. And it has exactly that.

    WHERE? IN THE LOW LIGHT CONDITIONS AND VIDEO. AS PROMISED.

    Nokia has never promised anything similar about the daylight performance. Based on the sensor size and other technical details about the camera module, there has never been anything spectacular to be expected in that front. But still for reasons unknown, some people seem to ignore all the official communication about the performance, put their own expectations in place of those instead and proceed to judge it accordingly what they think it should've been.

    ps. I also don't get how on Earth iPhone 5 can be considered "better overall camera" due to alleged minor edge over Lumia 920 camera in daylight conditions when it still has hopeless performance in low light conditions?
    I agree. From day one this phone/camera has been marketed by Nokia as the must have for the vampire community, which is a rapidly growing demographic. Vampires don't care how their daylight photos turn out because they're never going to take any, and if they do, they won't live to see them. And they're most certainly not going to buy IPhone5's for their counter intelligence operatives responsible for monitoring werewolf activities. That would just be stupid. Hey, do you see the wolf? Do you see what he's doing? Sorry, dude. I don't see the wolf. In fact, I don't really see anything at all. What camera were you using when you took these photographs? If you say IPhone, I'm staking you right here.

    The first comparison photos I saw were on slashgear, with the GSIII. Personally, I was a bit shocked and very disappointed. I think my 6-7 year old LG flip phone takes better pics in comparison to what I saw on that site. My phone is pretty much broken and doesn't work very well as a communications device. The 920 is the phone that had me exicited, and I've never been excited about a cell phone. My next phone will be my first smart phone. I guess I'm now a bit more optomistic. I've seen some daylight pictures that I would characterize as very good/great, and I'm hopeful that whatever issues exist may be resolved via software tweaks.
    11-04-2012 10:06 AM
  10. Calot's Avatar
    Those pics from The Verge calmed my nerves.

    Clearly I was right, those other dudes from other reviews were just kind of mongoloids that have not the smallest clue on how to handle a smartphone camera.
    11-04-2012 10:08 AM
  11. vlad0's Avatar
    But still for reasons unknown, some people seem to ignore all the official communication about the performance, put their own expectations in place of those instead and proceed to judge it accordingly what they think it should've been
    That is actually Nokia's problem.. they have two PureView products currently on sale, and they are both amazing, but in very different ways, and that confuses people. They are both branded "pureview" so naturally you would expect similar results, right ?

    Well.. that is not the case. One is aimed at video stabilization and low light performance and the other is aimed at image quality and lossless zooming.

    Now, when they combine the two, don't expect a 9mm chassis without a hump on the back.
    11-04-2012 10:14 AM
  12. johnnyrussoa3's Avatar
    The 920 is still running on pre-release software. Miriam from Engadget confirmed with Nokia that they will be releasing updates that should resolve the camera issues. She assured me the camera will get better. In the meantime the performance an be adjusted with the camera settings. Note that in the Engadget review is was stated that they did not experience the daytime issues during there visit to Nokia HQ
    11-04-2012 01:27 PM
  13. mlm1950's Avatar
    That is actually Nokia's problem.. they have two PureView products currently on sale, and they are both amazing, but in very different ways, and that confuses people. They are both branded "pureview" so naturally you would expect similar results, right ?

    Well.. that is not the case. One is aimed at video stabilization and low light performance and the other is aimed at image quality and lossless zooming.

    Now, when they combine the two, don't expect a 9mm chassis without a hump on the back.
    The PureView camera in the 808 is 41 megapixels, and the PureView camera in the 920 is 8.7 megapixels. People shouldn't expect them to produce similar results.
    11-04-2012 01:48 PM
  14. Smg-Uk's Avatar
    The PureView camera in the 808 is 41 megapixels, and the PureView camera in the 920 is 8.7 megapixels. People shouldn't expect them to produce similar results.
    More importantly the 808 has a much larger sensor.
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    11-04-2012 01:53 PM
  15. vlad0's Avatar
    More importantly the 808 has a much larger sensor.
    Exactly.

    Now.. the 808 is kind of an odd case really, from a technical point of view anyway. Here is a bit of background info, and I will get back to it:

    There is something the industry has been doing for years, and I blame the marketing departments for it. They've been concentrated on increasing the number of pixels, because they gradually made the consumer base believe that the more pixels you have, the better the quality, which is not necessarily the case. So they've been increasing the number of pixels, but that rate doesn't correspond to increasing the size of the sensors, so now we are down to 1.1 micron pixels.. which is why they have to use BSI sensors, but that is another topic.

    The size of the sensor is much more important, which is directly related to the size of the pixels. The bigger the pixels, the more photons they collect, the more photons.. less noise, better quality.. That is why the DSLRs shoot at 4.0+ micron/pixel and go up to 6.x

    Instead of the megapixel count, they should have marketed the pixel size .. "blalal 2.5 micron pixels, auto focus, blalal"

    Here is a great little website on the subject:

    http://6mpixel.org/en/

    Here is a nice graph of the pixel sizes in various cameras



    as you can see, big pixels in the higher end stuff... now, I am NOT saying that big pixels is all there is to it, far from that.. but its a very important part of it.

    Back to the 808 .. both the 920 and the 808 shoot at 1.4 micron pixels, so therefore the size of the 808's sensor shouldn't matter that much, and it doesn't.. if you take a look at a full resolution 38Mpix image from the 808 and you compare it to another 1.4 micron pixel image, you will find that the difference is very little.

    What Nokia have done is quite brilliant actually, they took that huge number of pixels, which was needed for zooming, and decided that they can combine 6-7 pixels into one in real time, so that the produced pixel can act like a bigger one, even tho the sensor itself is cut into 1.4 micron pixels. In the process their algorithm cleans up the noise, and whatever other garbage the pixels collected, and you end up with a.. more "pure" pixels in a sense, hence the name "PureView". That is only possible when you shoot at 5/8Mpix mode..

    Here is how it looks like:



    This is why the 808 outperforms all 1.4 micron pixel cameras out there, and some dedicated mid range P&S as well.. its .. pure magic.
    Last edited by vlad0; 11-04-2012 at 02:51 PM.
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    11-04-2012 02:33 PM
  16. vain000's Avatar
    Those pics from The Verge calmed my nerves.

    Clearly I was right, those other dudes from other reviews were just kind of mongoloids that have not the smallest clue on how to handle a smartphone camera.
    Lol. Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Firstly, they didn't compare the photos with any other phone so you can't compare quality with other phones. Secondly, they are resized, making the photos look better than they actually are. Compare at 100% and you will see how poor the Nokia performs compared to other phones (during the day). It's quite sad, really.
    11-04-2012 02:51 PM
  17. theefman's Avatar
    11-04-2012 03:37 PM
  18. joeynox's Avatar
    I don't think anyone was expecting pictures on par with a dsl or the 808. I think we were pretty much expecting photos on par or exceeds the Iphone4s/5.now for pictures taken at night nokia has delivered that. The phone cant compete and drive an ecosystem if it takes blurry daylight pictures. My 2mp canon digital takes crystal clear pictures during the day. I know I know you can adjust setting to compensate but until this issue is fixed its a major epic fail.

    the video recording is amazing
    11-04-2012 03:37 PM
  19. vain000's Avatar
    No one is saying the lowlight performance is bad. It's awesome. It's how other phones out perform it during the day which is the problem.
    11-04-2012 03:47 PM
  20. zolgi's Avatar
    No one is saying the lowlight performance is bad. It's awesome. It's how other phones out perform it during the day which is the problem.
    Havent you read about this? Its because the software not doing great job in automatic mode in daylight but when you play with settings it rocks. Im sure Nokia will do something to this like allways.
    11-04-2012 03:56 PM
  21. vain000's Avatar
    Havent you read about this? Its because the software not doing great job in automatic mode in daylight but when you play with settings it rocks. Im sure Nokia will do something to this like allways.
    Are you trying to say that the phone is using excessive noise reduction during daylight shots and that's the reason for the very poor detail? It's possible I suppose... I am not convinced yet, but I hope you are right. Either way, it's shocking Nokia would allow this to happen.
    11-04-2012 04:01 PM
  22. Winterfang's Avatar
    Havent you read about this? Its because the software not doing great job in automatic mode in daylight but when you play with settings it rocks. Im sure Nokia will do something to this like allways.
    You can mess with the settings in the other phones also, to take better night pictures.
    11-04-2012 04:06 PM
  23. zolgi's Avatar
    Are you trying to say that the phone is using excessive noise reduction during daylight shots and that's the reason for the very poor detail? It's possible I suppose... I am not convinced yet, but I hope you are right. Either way, it's shocking Nokia would allow this to happen.
    It has to be something related to software, if Engadget said when they visited in Finland, camera was better in daylight than now.
    11-04-2012 04:08 PM
  24. Reflexx's Avatar
    You can mess with the settings in the other phones also, to take better night pictures.

    :lol:

    OK.That one was pretty funny. Bravo!
    11-04-2012 05:56 PM
  25. zolgi's Avatar
    You can mess with the settings in the other phones also, to take better night pictures.
    Yea you can but you get pictures that look nothing like in 920...(920 has night mode also, dont forget that)
    11-04-2012 06:05 PM
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