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  1. theefman's Avatar
    Calm down, wait for real reviews.
    Better still, try it out for yourselves before you buy. Nothing like thinking for yourself in the 21st century (cant believe someone suggested the verge as a source to check for a review, might as well have asked Tim Cook).....:dry
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    10-31-2012 02:09 PM
  2. joeynox's Avatar
    The reviews are coming in and for the phone they are good but for the camera they are average. Nokia shouldn't have sold the phone as the best camera on the market and all that stuff. So now we can take high iso night shots that are decent to good but take day shots that lack detail and color? That's just not smart business. Once the big guys start releasing their reviews and that have negative about the main feature of the device and then compare it to te iPhone it's going to hurt sales.
    10-31-2012 02:15 PM
  3. srmiller82's Avatar
    I think this is all ridiculous, hardware wise the iPhone and htc 8x and any android have worse hardware, the 920 has slightly more mp than 8x and same aperture with a bigger sensor this automatically means better daytime and night time pics this can all be fixed software side, if its taking bad pics now it will be fixed in software update, the sensor itself is MUCH better than 900, and pretty close to the same in the 8x, its ridiculous to thin noise reduction will cause daylight problems its all SOFTWARE side it can all be adjusted, as for iphone it has worse aperture smaller sensor anything it does is completely software and limited to the crappy sensor it has, htc will give very similar pics but will always be edged out by 920 and low light will be night and day. ANYTHING software nokia can fix just because apple didn't rush the iphone 5 the software is more complete, as it stands right now the best camera phone is indeed the 808, then the n8, then will be 920 in that order all being nokia, then would be some htcs or sony's but I've seen sony 12mp camera phone compared to nokia n8, n8 won hands down and I own an n8 also, my wife has a 4s it takes awful pics, anybody who ever says an iphone takes good pics is retarded so many other phones have better sensors they just don't refine the software because google/android do not care, htc on the other hand has great sensors and software just like nokia, nokia obviously rushed this software will be be 100%give it 3 months it will easily beat every other modern OS phone in almost every situation, not only that iphone 5 has major problems with that lens, but to say htc will take better pics with an inferior sensor is dumb its all about hardware and nokia has always put best hardware in their phones for camera, with the exception of lumia 800, 900 those probably have the worst sensor they have ever put in a phone, on top of that its BSI just like all rest but with higher MP and bigger sensor and OIS, you cant say noise reduction is a problem software can be updated anytime they like people want to love apple and hate nokia cause NOTHING is better than iphone well iphone hasn't ever had the best camera at anytime it was released it was always way down the list, my n8 takes better pics than my stand alone camera and I have 100's of pics to prove it. the aperture is better on the 920 than the n8 the sensor is a little smaller I don't need n8 quality pics but if is close and also better in low light then its easily best camera on a modern os.
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    10-31-2012 02:20 PM
  4. a5cent's Avatar
    Better still, try it out for yourselves before you buy. Nothing like thinking for yourself in the 21st century (cant believe someone suggested the verge as a source to check for a review, might as well have asked Tim Cook).....:dry
    Thinking is way overrated these days ;)

    Absolutely agree with your take on the verge!

    - they have long reviews with lots of fluff that some may confuse with being thorough
    - apparently their staff is incapable of making relevant technical measurements (color accuracy, signal/noise ratios, battery life under varying usage scenarios, etc). Instead they rely on spec sheets and marketing material which I am better at interpreting myself.
    - they serve each review with an unhealthy portion of bias

    Not good.
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    10-31-2012 02:25 PM
  5. independentvolume's Avatar
    Not sure srmiller. I think you bought the marketing hype.
    Last edited by independentvolume; 10-31-2012 at 02:32 PM.
    10-31-2012 02:26 PM
  6. srmiller82's Avatar
    I mean in regular light the sensors between the phones your talking are almost exactly the same the rest is hardware, so regular light nokia will slightly edge the rest while 808 and n8 will be way better than the rest, but they aren't advertising it as the best normal light conditions its best low light because with adequate light any pos can take a good pic I mean hahaha is ridiculous, it has a better sensor its a fact it will take better pics if the software causes a lot of noise reduction nokia will adjust it, not hard, apple will be stuck with a worse aperture and less mp and a discolored lens that causes weird shades on pics, only big apple fanboy sites will say an iphone has the best camera, I mean I have a 6 year old nokia that takes better pics than the iphone 5 in normal light don't be ridiculous cant put a cheap sensor in a phone and majically get the best pics apple does not and will never put the best hardware in their phones you do not make a lot of money by using the best hardware why you think nokia is losing money? they always use better hardware stop trolling. Btw 808 came out they said it had best camera nobody disputes that except apple fanboys iphone 5 came out 808 still has best camera nokia was right all along.
    10-31-2012 02:34 PM
  7. a5cent's Avatar
    The reviews are coming in and for the phone they are good but for the camera they are average.
    What you call "review" I call garbage or at best untrustworthy. Wait.

    Even if the camera isn't that great in daylight, who is really to blame for false expectations? Who was it that told you the Lumia 920 made great daylight pictures? All I remember reading about is OIS (which is meaningless without real tests evaluating its impact on real pictures) and their marketing efforts geared towards selling low light performance.

    I think you let marketing get the better of you and now your baffled reality isn't living up to advertising. Again, seriously?
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    10-31-2012 02:35 PM
  8. Smg-Uk's Avatar
    What you call "review" I call garbage or at best untrustworthy. Wait.

    Even if the camera isn't that great in daylight, who is really to blame for false expectations? Who was it that told you the Lumia 920 made great daylight pictures? All I remember reading about is OIS (which is meaningless without real tests evaluating its impact on real pictures) and their marketing efforts geared towards selling low light performance.

    I think you let marketing get the better of you and now your baffled reality isn't living up to advertising. Again, seriously?
    Oh please give it a rest the camera is not as good as it should have been end of story.
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    10-31-2012 02:40 PM
  9. srmiller82's Avatar
    @independent I don't listen to hype, I happen to be in the technology industry for 20 years and my wife is a photographer, I own an n8 yet time and time again people say iphone has best camera or some android I mean get real have you ever seen first hand a pic taken by an n8? my guess is not, when nokia comes out with camera phones they are ALWAYS the best only to be beat by their own phones, the daytime photos will not be night and day difference between iphone and 920 because the hardware is similar, so if your expecting that your retarded and nokia didn't fool anybody but you, lowlight will be vastly different but like I said not hard to get a good pic in good light if you cant get that your also retarded, nokia will take better pics in both situations one being much more noticeable to say its average compared to other phones is also retarded the only other manuf. making aperture like that is htc not iphone not Samsung just htc, so yes htc will also take better pics than iphone, iphone wll never be at the top they are interested in that.
    10-31-2012 02:40 PM
  10. srmiller82's Avatar
    p.s. I own 2 iphones they both take **** photos possibly worse than my 900 and my 900 doesn't not take good pics at all but nokia never claimed it was a great camera phone either.
    10-31-2012 02:42 PM
  11. independentvolume's Avatar
    What you call "review" I call garbage or at best untrustworthy. Wait.

    Even if the camera isn't that great in daylight, who is really to blame for false expectations? Who was it that told you the Lumia 920 made great daylight pictures? All I remember reading about is OIS (which is meaningless without real tests evaluating its impact on real pictures) and their marketing efforts geared towards selling low light performance.

    I think you let marketing get the better of you and now your baffled reality isn't living up to advertising. Again, seriously?
    Well, in all honesty this forum was hyping this camera up a some kind of game changer. People were getting blasted for even mentioning the 8x or Ativ around here. The Nokia elitism was at an all time high. Now people are realizing that it's just another high end smartphone with exaggerated features.
    10-31-2012 02:44 PM
  12. srmiller82's Avatar
    oh one more p.s pricing looks like iphone cause 2x 3x more than the 920 so even if it was average or the same yet cost way less whats to complain about hahahah I mean stop thinking it will be as good as a DSLR and you will be fine, I can promise it wll be bettr than iphone 5 because the hardware is better nobody disputes that, cannot make a better pic out of software its no majic doesn't happen until apple actually puts a better sensor than another company they will not have the best camera on a phone
    10-31-2012 02:44 PM
  13. a5cent's Avatar
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    Again... nobody can deduce any kind of qualitative properties from a spec sheet. Technology is NEVER that simple, but for some reason everybody pretends it is. Just the tolerances involved in assembling the camera module or the coating used inside the camera module can completely change the quality of pictures taken. Anyone thinking they can accurately gauge quality based on a spec sheet (MP, sensor size, lens branding and the existence of OIS) is simply fooling themselves.

    Spec sheets are nothing more than a rough measure of potential. They have little to do with what you actually get.
    Last edited by a5cent; 10-31-2012 at 02:56 PM.
    10-31-2012 02:45 PM
  14. DrewT3's Avatar
    The samples on the dialaphone.co.uk review aren't very good. While the color on the Nokia shot is quite a bit better, the crops could be misleading. First, the iPhone seems to have a longer lens so the crop from the iPhone is bigger than the Nokia's. Second, we don't know where the focus point was on either. The Nokia could have been focused further back.
    10-31-2012 02:45 PM
  15. a5cent's Avatar
    Well, in all honesty this forum was hyping this camera up a some kind of game changer. People were getting blasted for even mentioning the 8x or Ativ around here. The Nokia elitism was at an all time high. Now people are realizing that it's just another high end smartphone with exaggerated features.
    I wasn't. But yes, you are correct.
    10-31-2012 02:46 PM
  16. independentvolume's Avatar
    p.s. I own 2 iphones they both take **** photos possibly worse than my 900 and my 900 doesn't not take good pics at all but nokia never claimed it was a great camera phone either.
    They didn't? Everything was Carl Zeis this, Carl Zeis that. I'm just going to go ahead and diagnose you with short term memory loss.
    http://wmpoweruser.com/latest-smartp...-zeiss-optics/
    10-31-2012 02:47 PM
  17. a5cent's Avatar
    Oh please give it a rest the camera is not as good as it should have been end of story.
    Please explain why you are the person who can decide how good it should have been? I don't think whatever your imagination comes up with, based on a few numbers on a spec sheet, is the yard stick.
    10-31-2012 02:48 PM
  18. Reflexx's Avatar
    If it's a noise reduction issue, then that can be solved with a software update.

    The iPhone has a pretty good camera though, and it is tough to beat in optimum lighting conditions.

    In low light there is no contest though.
    10-31-2012 02:56 PM
  19. srmiller82's Avatar
    yes you cant from a spec sheet, but knowing the quality that nokia has ALWAYS made when they say its a camera phone or they advertise a camera I mean they are not gonna screw it up that bad to where it would take worse pics than a phone with a worse sensor, I just said I've been in technology for 20 years I believe I know whats entailed in manuf. yes people would like to see after the fact but I haven't seen one bad review of the phone , the qualities they did hype work MUCH better than the competition, its still a phone, technology is so advanced anymore I haven't seen anything really groundbreaking in phones in a loooooong time, at least not in my opinion but for the price and the features pleeeeeeease this phone is every bit as worth a much as an iphone 5 and to say any different is blind.
    10-31-2012 02:56 PM
  20. Smg-Uk's Avatar
    Please explain why you are the person who can decide how good it should have been? I don't think whatever your imagination comes up with, based on a few numbers on a spec sheet, is the yard stick.
    What's the matter with you ? your sounding desperate. Nokia themselves have said:

    Our most innovative Lumia
    Take bright, blur-free photos and videos in any light conditions with PureView technology Optical Image Stabilisation and Carl Zeiss lens
    Tell me how is a phone "innovative" if its advertising the fact it has a fantastic lense, OIS, and "pureview" technology and yet standard day time photo's are far from amazing.

    Standard day time shots should be amazing and the ois videos & low light photo's should be nice extras

    I'm sorry that you are sad enough to defend a multinational company because they have once again not delivered.
    10-31-2012 02:57 PM
  21. a5cent's Avatar
    yes you cant from a spec sheet, but knowing the quality that nokia has ALWAYS made when they say its a camera phone or they advertise a camera I mean they are not gonna screw it up that bad to where it would take worse pics than a phone with a worse sensor, I just said I've been in technology for 20 years I believe I know whats entailed in manuf. yes people would like to see after the fact but I haven't seen one bad review of the phone , the qualities they did hype work MUCH better than the competition, its still a phone, technology is so advanced anymore I haven't seen anything really groundbreaking in phones in a loooooong time, at least not in my opinion but for the price and the features pleeeeeeease this phone is every bit as worth a much as an iphone 5 and to say any different is blind.
    I agree for the most part. The only difference being that I'm not willing to let Nokia's past performance influence my expectations of their future performance. In general they have better cameras in their devices than the competition, but that doesn't guarantee the same will be true for the 920. Until we know the cause I'm reserving judgement. If it ends up being related to noise reduction algorithms like Winning Guy suggested, then sure, no problem.
    10-31-2012 03:12 PM
  22. VagrantWade's Avatar
    Can't wait for my 920.
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    10-31-2012 03:19 PM
  23. srmiller82's Avatar
    so your saying because some random joe schmo took some pics that didn't live up to the iphone 5 pics that were taken by a professional that you will agree the pics are not as good lol, ok well I respect your view, but I've never seen a company release a camera with better specs that took worse pictures than a worse speced camera phone or not, and if it did it was software, I think iphone has very good software but at the end of the day once all software is final on nokia it will have better pics that's my opinion I've seen enough professional taken pics with it to say its better.
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    10-31-2012 03:21 PM
  24. joeynox's Avatar
    What you call "review" I call garbage or at best untrustworthy. Wait.

    Even if the camera isn't that great in daylight, who is really to blame for false expectations? Who was it that told you the Lumia 920 made great daylight pictures? All I remember reading about is OIS (which is meaningless without real tests evaluating its impact on real pictures) and their marketing efforts geared towards selling low light performance.

    I think you let marketing get the better of you and now your baffled reality isn't living up to advertising. Again, seriously?
    In this day an age daylight pictures have to be great. Theres no reason why the Iphone should still have the best quality camera when slight improvements have been made.
    10-31-2012 03:25 PM
  25. alpinestars1z's Avatar
    Well, in all honesty this forum was hyping this camera up a some kind of game changer. People were getting blasted for even mentioning the 8x or Ativ around here. The Nokia elitism was at an all time high. Now people are realizing that it's just another high end smartphone with exaggerated features.
    Just like how the iPhone is?

    I'm a bit disappointed, but I still don't like HTC because of the way their customer service treated me, and Samsung I'm waiting for a non-pentile whatever version AMOLED they're on now and their reception and call quality isn't always the best.

    They didn't? Everything was Carl Zeis this, Carl Zeis that. I'm just going to go ahead and diagnose you with short term memory loss.
    Latest Smartphone Beta test commercial touts Nokia Lumia 900 Carl Zeiss optics | WMPoweruser
    Haha, I don't what else they're supposed to say. "Everyone, you should buy our phone because our camera sucks!"

    What's the matter with you ? your sounding desperate. Nokia themselves have said:



    Tell me how is a phone "innovative" if its advertising the fact it has a fantastic lense, OIS, and "pureview" technology and yet standard day time photo's are far from amazing.

    Standard day time shots should be amazing and the ois videos & low light photo's should be nice extras

    I'm sorry that you are sad enough to defend a multinational company because they have once again not delivered.
    Desperate, how does a5cent sound desperate? All he's saying is nobody put you in charge of judging for everyone else how good a camera should have turned out.

    And it's innovative because no one else has put optical image stabilization into a phone?

    At least their advertising seems fine--"bright, blur-free photos"--which is what the Lumia produces. The problem is the lack of detail due to the noise reduction algorithm. I don't see where they claimed that it would produce detailed DSLR resolution photos. That was an expectation you set yourself.

    And why should daytime shots come first and OIS and night time shots be extras? You mean if they couldn't get day time shots correct with the OIS, they should have just thrown the OIS out because it should have been extra anyway?
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    10-31-2012 03:25 PM
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