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  1. theefman's Avatar
    11-01-2012 02:50 PM
  2. riffraffy's Avatar
    Conclusion

    Scores aren't everything, though for anyone totting them up during the piece, the totals (each out of 70) are:

    Nokia 808 PureView 61 pts
    Nokia Lumia 920 PureView 57pts
    HTC One X 34 pts
    Nokia Lumia 900 28 pts

    We'll obviously have a lot more on the Lumia 920's camera as part of our formal review coverage on All About Windows Phone, but I'm already able to come to a few conclusions:

    In terms of all round still photography, the 1/1.2"-sensored Nokia 808 PureView, running Symbian, is still the best camera phone in the world - by a small margin. Though add in real world shots of people indoors and at events, where the Xenon flash freezes motion so much better, and the 808 draws further ahead.

    Given the constraints on phone thickness, the camera in the new 1/3"-sensored Lumia 920 PureView does astonishingly well with the benefit of the OIS. With a sensor that's barely bigger than that in the Android and iOS competition, it produces shots that are often close to the 808's and occasionally better. Given that the humped Nokia 808, running a smartphone OS which is now facing an End Of Life, isn't for everybody, the sleek Lumia 920 running a 2013 operating system may well be the better option for users who love taking photos. The next-gen LED flash does need more testing and, as with all LED-equipped phones, there will still be issues in low light when shooting people. Watch this space for real world pub tests!

    Even used with care, photos from the likes of the 1/3.2"-sensored HTC One X (and, by inference, the iPhone 4S/5 and SGS III) are almost always going to be inferior to those from the similarly sized Lumia 920 - the optical image stablisation did well here - it'll do even better in terms of difference in quality when used by novice users.

    The previous generation of 1/3.2" camera units used by Nokia, even with Carl Zeiss optics, are worlds apart from the 920's camera. Worlds. Partly down to the previous Windows Phone 7 software, partly the average hardware, partly the lack of OIS.

    A side issue, for AAS readers, is whether the two year old 1/1.8"-sensored Nokia N8 has a better camera than the Lumia 920. The physicist in me says yes, but the OIS on the latter would make it a very close match to call. One for me to test another day!

    And so it's on to our review coverage of the Nokia Lumia 920, running Windows Phone 8. Rafe's up first, with an overview of the hardware and software - I'll be testing the stills camera in real life and seeing what a difference OIS makes to video footage in one of the review parts, all coming in the next few weeks.
    11-01-2012 02:51 PM
  3. socialcarpet's Avatar
    Does the 808 have OIS? I guess the 920 might have an advantage in some cases due to that as well.
    Especially considering that most people don't put their cell phone on a tripod before they take pictures with it they way they do in these tests. It's common knowledge that the two greatest factors in disappointing digital camera pics is motion and low light.

    None of these tests do nothing to take motion into account and in the ones that take lighting into account, the 920 wins by a landslide.

    Make of that what you will. Personally I don't take still life pics of bowls of fruit in a well-lit room with my camera in a vise to steady it.

    The 900's camera is relentlessly average, so anything beyond that will be a great success and I expect in real world conditions, the 920's camera is going to be among the very best. But I'll wait and see how I like it until I can actually use one.
    11-01-2012 02:58 PM
  4. vlad0's Avatar
    Here is the thing with the 808.. you have almost full control of most settings, and that is a huge advantage if you know what you are doing.

    He shot everything in auto mode, which is fine, its fair, but if you go to manual settings on the 808.. for example that car shot can be taken at 1600 iso, and it might retain acceptable quality. Also, in automatic mode the 808 shoots at 85% jpeg compression, and the 920 at 95% .. so if you go manual settings you can change that to "superfine" and the quality increases further.

    Also he forgot to mention that you can zoom up to 4x with the 808 without loosing quality, which was the whole point of the project.

    Flash.. I am pretty sure the xenon will do better than the LED.

    Despite that, the 920 did very well..
    Last edited by vlad0; 11-01-2012 at 03:17 PM.
    11-01-2012 03:00 PM
  5. riffraffy's Avatar
    Here is the thing with the 808.. you have almost full control of most settings, and that is a huge advantage if you know what you are doing...

    Despite that, the 920 did very well..
    Nokia set itself up by calling the 920 a Pureview. As such, each photo shoot will have to include the 808 benchmark. So, I will say, "Despite that, the 920 did very well..."

    Against more "typical" phones, the 920 did outstanding. I'm excited.
    11-01-2012 03:07 PM
  6. nzrocketman's Avatar
    I thought the Lumia 920 did really well. I didn't see to much problems with the photos. wouldnt stop me from buying it
    11-01-2012 03:10 PM
  7. Reflexx's Avatar
    Nice and thorough.

    Though the 920 performed very well, I wonder if the challenge we see with the 920 in the day time might not be post processing, but maybe a shutter that stays open just a tad too long, letting in too much light?
    11-01-2012 03:10 PM
  8. DungMasterFang's Avatar
    First thorough review I've seen. 920 was awesome.
    11-01-2012 03:15 PM
  9. vlad0's Avatar
    The 920 will be really good for sunsets/sunrises ... you can capture a lot of detail in the dark areas, like foreground .. very nice.

    Nokia set itself up by calling the 920 a Pureview. As such, each photo shoot will have to include the 808 benchmark. So, I will say, "Despite that, the 920 did very well..."

    Against more "typical" phones, the 920 did outstanding. I'm excited.
    Yes, it did very well.. and the difference to the 808 is not as big as I though, but then again those are only 4 shots. Either way, I would have to agree with Steve that Nokia is getting a lot out of that small sensor.. bravo.

    I can't wait to get mine.. I still can't decide on yellow or red...
    11-01-2012 03:18 PM
  10. riffraffy's Avatar
    The 920 will be really good for sunsets/sunrises ... you can capture a lot of detail in the dark areas, like foreground .. very nice.

    I can't wait to get mine.. I still can't decide on yellow or red...
    Not to mention most indoor party/family type pics, where a flash is disruptive, and uneven. Plus, no more red-eye.

    No question for me: I'm getting black.
    11-01-2012 03:23 PM
  11. vlad0's Avatar
    Not to mention most indoor party/family type pics, where a flash is disruptive, and uneven. Plus, no more red-eye.
    see.. I don't know about that one, we will have to wait and see.. everyone needs to sit still, or else we will get some blur, which is the whole point of the flash, to prevent that from happening :) But I really don't know.. until I try it, there is no way to tell how it works in those situations.
    11-01-2012 03:25 PM
  12. a5cent's Avatar
    That is the first review I've seen where some scientific thinking was applied... actually, where any thinking was applied. Good comparisons in controlled environments with a good selection of challenging scenarios stressing different capabilities. Well done! Thank you for the heads up theefman! I would recommend putting that in a separate thread so it doesn't get lost here.
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    11-01-2012 03:26 PM
  13. Squatting Hen's Avatar
    For her circumstances though, is it better than iPhone 5? Not everyone will want a large phone (as the poster stated) with the higher weight of the Lumia. If the camera isn't seen as on par with the iPhone 5, what advantages does the Lumia 920 have for her? That's the questions that need to be answered.
    Exactly. I love my windows phone. As I mentioned, if we deiced to upgrade her phone she would just assume/think to get another iphone. For her, she understands it and it has worked for her for the past three years.

    I would have to “sell” her on another phone. Getting a heavier phone, different OS, and not all the same app availability, would be the negatives. The camera was the main selling point for her, and the only reason she would pick this phone over an upgraded iphone, which she is used to. Honestly, I would never "push" a phone on her. She can pick whatever she wants. I have been telling her though that the 920 that is coming out is supposed to have an awesome camera.

    Again, she is not bias, but there would have to be something major for her to change. If she picked up both phones at ATT, I know she would pick the iphone…its familiar. She is not a power user at all. I would assume, there are a lot of people in the exact same situation.

    I will say that being able to use itunes was an awesome move by MS.
    Last edited by Squatting Hen; 11-01-2012 at 03:34 PM.
    11-01-2012 03:27 PM
  14. vlad0's Avatar
    I would have to “sell” her on another phone.
    You can do it.. we can help :D Tell her that the 920 has a real wide angle lens (which is true) and it will make it easier for her to capture those group/family/friends shots... and even better, it will be easier to do so in low light!

    True story.. you are not even lying hah ;) like most "sales man" would be tempted to..
    11-01-2012 03:31 PM
  15. jmajid's Avatar
    That is the first review I've seen where some scientific thinking was applied... actually, where any thinking was applied. Good comparisons in controlled environments with a good selection of challenging scenarios stressing different capabilities. Well done! Thank you for the heads up theefman! I would recommend putting that in a separate thread so it doesn't get lost here.
    posted the link earlier, i did look around first before posting!
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/1733207-post1.htm
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    11-01-2012 03:33 PM
  16. SuddenlyDinosaur's Avatar
    The odds of me upgrading my Titan II are very, very slim but I have been trying to get my wife to experience WP. She is currently using an iphone 3gs. Neither one of us are in a contract, and she has been thinking about getting a new phone.

    I have been mentioning the 920 because of the camera, as she does take a lot of pictures.

    All this talk does hurt her decision, as the camera was the main selling point. Please understand that she is not a fan of any device. The iphone 3gs was her first smart phone and the only one she has used. Her natural progression if we decided to pay (we try to keep devices until they die) for an upgrade, would be just to get another iphone. The 920 was a phone I was hoping to get her, but the negative reviews of the camera probably changed that. I also know, for her, the bulk of the phone was going to be an issue, but the camera was the #1 selling point.

    The issue is, the images would probably be great for most, and for her, as she does not zoom in a crop. She takes a picture and saves it. With the reviews though, which the average person sees, will turn people away.
    Since she doesn't seem like a phone person, the iPhone 5 would probably be the best phone for her right now. This will give her a good camera and the familiarity of iOS.


    P.S. Does anyone know why the 920 would have such dark pictures in broad daylight?
    11-01-2012 03:36 PM
  17. theefman's Avatar
    posted the link earlier, i did look around first before posting!
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/1733207-post1.htm
    I saw yours after posting my link and there's another one also going to AAWP. They
    're certainly going to get some traffic today! :D
    11-01-2012 04:02 PM
  18. jmajid's Avatar
    I saw yours after posting my link and there's another one also going to AAWP. They
    're certainly going to get some traffic today! :D
    they deserve the traffic - they do a lot of good work for what was Symbian (all versions) and now Nokia Belle and of course now windows phone (they do feature all manufacturers though not just nokia)
    and as we have mentioned Steve is a trusted reviewer of camera phones.
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    11-01-2012 04:07 PM
  19. gremlin190's Avatar
    Product Face-Offs Digital Cameras : Olympus Stylus XZ-2, Nokia Lumia 920, HTC 8X, Panasonic Lumix GH3, - DigitalVersus

    HTC 8X shows far better details and sharpness than Lumia 920....
    Lumia 920 take smearing, blur image at ISO 100, too strange

    Still can't believe it....
    See the picture of the map when the detail 4x6 is selected. Why is the 920 so blurry?
    11-01-2012 07:19 PM
  20. Idiocracy_izruts's Avatar
    The most comprehensive set of photos is the one on the Verge. All possible conditions, and the 920 definetly delivers exceptional quality for a smartphone camera. I don't know what the guys from Slashgear did, but quality on the ones from the verge is clearly better. So the way I see it we don't have any scandal with 920's camera quality - it's as good as the hands you put it in, just like any other camera.
    11-02-2012 03:16 AM
  21. lg89's Avatar
    These pictures are all over the place. Makes you wonder if the L920 is one of those phones where you have to know what you're doing. It'd be great if people could actually document which settings they're using when they do their reviews.
    11-02-2012 03:54 AM
  22. mainakpradhan's Avatar
    I have seen and used a prototype of the phone (Nokia Lumia 920). My views on the phone are:

    Pros:
    - Excellent camera
    - Image quality is superb, better than any other android phone/iPhone
    - Picture quality under low light in amazing
    - Touchscreen really works with gloves and I personally tried with a 2 layer thick jacket as well, and it worked every single time
    - Audio quality is good
    - Design of hardware is good, I like the shape and looks
    - Display is good
    - Image stabilization is unbelievable. I did a small comparison with other phones just to see what the hype was about IS.


    Cons
    - Little heavier than current Samsung phones in market

    Overall Rating: 4.5/5
    11-02-2012 04:26 AM
  23. tumaykilinc's Avatar
    I have seen and used a prototype of the phone (Nokia Lumia 920). My views on the phone are:

    Pros:
    - Excellent camera
    - Image quality is superb, better than any other android phone/iPhone
    - Picture quality under low light in amazing
    - Touchscreen really works with gloves and I personally tried with a 2 layer thick jacket as well, and it worked every single time
    - Audio quality is good
    - Design of hardware is good, I like the shape and looks
    - Display is good
    - Image stabilization is unbelievable. I did a small comparison with other phones just to see what the hype was about IS.


    Cons
    - Little heavier than current Samsung phones in market

    Overall Rating: 4.5/5
    I am also getting a Lumia 920 within two weeks, but the image quality is worrying me.

    All the photos taken with Lumia 920 seems to be average, worse than SGS3 in day light scenes. I am hoping that this is a software related issue, due to the noise reduction we lose all the sharp details, the image quality becomes muddy when sized 100%.

    All i can do is hope that Nokia brings a software update for better JPEG algorithm in day light images.
    11-02-2012 05:29 AM
  24. maverick786us's Avatar
    I am also getting a Lumia 920 within two weeks, but the image quality is worrying me.

    All the photos taken with Lumia 920 seems to be average, worse than SGS3 in day light scenes. I am hoping that this is a software related issue, due to the noise reduction we lose all the sharp details, the image quality becomes muddy when sized 100%.

    All i can do is hope that Nokia brings a software update for better JPEG algorithm in day light images.
    It is a software issue because Nokia rushed to release it and I am convinced tha Nokia will resolve this issue within weeks and come up with a new firmware
    Last edited by maverick786us; 11-02-2012 at 08:19 AM.
    11-02-2012 05:42 AM
  25. tumaykilinc's Avatar
    It is a software issue because Nokia rushed too much to release it and I am convinced tha Nokia will resolve this issue within weeks and come up with a new firmware
    Thanks for responding. I hope that it is true, I am not expecting a DSLR photo quality, i don't think that is possible from a such small camera. But i expected that it would be better than other flagship phones.

    Let's see if Nokia brings a software update.
    11-02-2012 06:14 AM
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