11-02-2012 01:35 PM
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  1. CaptDjob's Avatar
    Speaking of which, will you guys be using a cover for you phone or will this phone be okay without one?
    **** with covers. Let that beautiful yellow color give sunshine to all around me.
    11-01-2012 05:48 PM
  2. DungMasterFang's Avatar
    Why is no one talking about the mic quality in a review? For me is it very important, like recording concerts
    / the Swedish guy
    Lumia 920:

    [YT]v=loxDegj3fFE[/YT]

    this is the closest thing I can give you... He says the music was so loud it hurt his ears

    Nokia rich recording:

    [YT]v=Ur6La-ucGxM[/YT]

    Be sure to check out 2:06 for Galaxy Nexus
    Last edited by DungMasterFang; 11-01-2012 at 05:57 PM.
    11-01-2012 05:52 PM
  3. CaptDjob's Avatar
    Why is no one talking about the mic quality in a review? For me is it very important, like recording concerts
    / the Swedish guy
    Maybe because its so good? It has the same "rich recording" tech and mic as Pureview 808 except that in this phone it is just mono.

    So enjoy your concerts afterwards.
    MattiasH likes this.
    11-01-2012 05:53 PM
  4. jhoff80's Avatar
    Objectively better camera than an iPhone 5, but same score
    It's not objectively better though. I mean, it's clearly better in low light, but the rest of it is subjective, and he describes in the article having issues with auto-white balance as well.

    On top of that, there's not as much detail in the 920 pictures, still most likely due to over-aggressive noise reduction.

    I suspect most of us will be happy with the 920 camera most of the time (if I wasn't confident in that, I wouldn't be planning on buying one), but there's also going to be time where you can get a better picture with an iPhone 5.

    I do still hope that Nokia updates the software to tweak the noise reduction for more detail and sharpness and less smearing.
    11-01-2012 06:02 PM
  5. chfhyh's Avatar
    i do not know what problem they have against Nokia...

    they can complaint about the weight and app, but at least give 10 for screen and 10 for camera, coz these are revolutionary features. what it is the point of having the same score but not higher than other phone.
    11-01-2012 06:04 PM
  6. corsica's Avatar
    Ah, The Verge, those old ecosystem whores :P
    If they gave the ecosystem a 9, the overall score would be close to a 9. I would say that speaks for the device. I also found the good score for battery life quite relieving.
    Also ... I wonder why they gave reception a mere 7 while stating they are in a bad reception area? Weird.
    they did explain a bit more in the vergecast. the ecosystem score is not only app availabilty and quality, but also third party accessories and such. You've got to admit that even in that department, it'll be pretty much impossible to catch up to Apple in the next few months
    11-01-2012 06:15 PM
  7. keizka's Avatar
    they did explain a bit more in the vergecast. the ecosystem score is not only app availabilty and quality, but also third party accessories and such. You've got to admit that even in that department, it'll be pretty much impossible to catch up to Apple in the next few months
    That doesn't make sense. Apple effectively rebooted their accessory market with new Lightning connector. That noted, they should deduct quite a many points from Apple products.
    11-01-2012 06:18 PM
  8. rareohs's Avatar
    There are still WAY TOO many applications missing on WP8 for me to even consider switching and it's not the major ones people would think.

    I am a sports fan and WP8 does not (and probably will not for a long time) team specific apps for Football, Baseball or Hockey (I'm not talking about ESPN, etc). They do not have specific apps for my banks (remote check deposit from my phone is awesome and indispensable) or Brokerage accounts. They do not have all the travel apps (Airlines, Hotels, Flight Tracking). I could go on and on and I'm sure I will get flamed for this.
    respect where you're coming from and not flaming in the least... but a month ago i switched from iPhone to nokia 900, and overall i'm ok (not great, not thrilled, but ok) with the app selection.

    Sports: 100% fine with ESPN. I created a home screen tile to the best fan page for my favorite pro teams (pats and blazers) and that works for me.

    Banks: I'm lucky that USAA has a full-featured windows app. deposit from phone = killer.

    Travel: Tripit, Kayak, enought for me right now. I'm sure Orbitz will be along soon enough.

    Games: HUGELY lacking. Then again, I'm spending less time playing mobile games and spending less $$ on buying games, so there's that. For me, having less is more in a way, since I really need to try and disconnect a little, you know?

    I soured on Apple (haha see what I did there??) and for some reason android has never appealed to me, so I really like how different Windows is. Also, a stellar camera is huge for me, so the 920 is very appealing.
    11-01-2012 06:20 PM
  9. corsica's Avatar
    That doesn't make sense. Apple effectively rebooted their accessory market with new Lightning connector. That noted, they should deduct quite a many points from Apple products.
    agreed, however, don't forget cases and such things. protective screen covers etc. Also I guess it won't really be long until most of the 3rd party accessorie industry will have made the switch to lightning. With the amount of spread, market penetration and positive street cred that Apple undoubtly has, it's just inevitable. I wish it were the same for WP/Android, but it just isn't.
    11-01-2012 06:22 PM
  10. a5cent's Avatar
    Better review than I was expecting from them, but still a ton of factual errors:
    Nokia calls this a ClearBlack display, which consists of polarizing layers of glass to help make blacks deeper and reduce reflections. It's technology that was introduced back in 2010, and here it doesn't seem to have much effect. The blacks on the 920 aren't nearly as deep as on the 900 — but the tradeoff is well worth it in my opinion.
    ClearBlack refers only to Nokia's optical solution for reducing reflections. It can't magically bestow an LCD screen with the same black levels as an AMOLED screen (like the Lumia 900 has), but according to his statement that is what he expects of it. It's like saying: This Ferrari's 400 HP engine doesn't seem to have much effect as it doesn't enable the car to fly. Had he measured reflectivity the effect would have been obvious. Shouldn't these guys at least know what Nokia's marketing buzz words actually refer to?

    Just one example, many more... :-/
    Last edited by a5cent; 11-01-2012 at 11:55 PM. Reason: replaced "contrast ratio" with "black levels" - same meaning
    11-01-2012 06:33 PM
  11. weetigo's Avatar
    Speaking of which, will you guys be using a cover for you phone or will this phone be okay without one?
    I'd say its fine being without, having used the 800 and 900 previously. 900 still looks flawless, and the 800 had a slight indentation in case at bottom when I dropped it (multiple times), but barely noticeable.
    11-01-2012 06:40 PM
  12. SuddenlyDinosaur's Avatar
    This was actually a fair and partial review. And for the people complaining about Camera and Reception scored, let me reiterate what Dieter said:

    1. In terms of reception, although the problems may have been from the pre-release phone or the actual area he is in, he doesn't want to change the score unless he knows for sure that the official model will sound better.

    This makes sense. There's no point in telling someone that a specific aspect of the phone will get better unless you know for sure that it will.

    2. The camera score being the same as the iPhone's score. This is because he stated that the iPhone would be an easier camera to use for the general public, whereas it will mostly pros that enjoy the full benefits of the 920's camera.

    7.9 seems right to me.
    11-01-2012 06:48 PM
  13. vlad0's Avatar
    Oh I agree. I agree very much. If they managed to get the mic even close to 808 standards, it would be awesome gig cam.
    Well.. the 920 doesn't record in stereo like the 808 does, but the mic in there should be the same.. which lets you record sounds up to 140 decibels, which is very important for concerts/clubs etc.
    11-01-2012 07:06 PM
  14. a5cent's Avatar
    1. In terms of reception, although the problems may have been from the pre-release phone or the actual area he is in, he doesn't want to change the score unless he knows for sure that the official model will sound better.

    7.9 seems right to me.
    Nah, it's garbage. I don't trust anyone to be impartial in these types of tests. People hear what they want to hear. It's human nature. What you do is measure signal strength and reception quality. You play pre-recorded test signals and measure audio quality. There is no excuse for half-baked, unreliable, fuzzy results in a professional device test like this. Companies fortunes and peoples jobs depend on it, and those people deserve a fair shake. As it is, I don't know if this review gave them that fair shake or not. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. You don't punish without it being deserved. You don't publish if your data isn't ready.
    11-01-2012 07:07 PM
  15. dharmababa's Avatar
    Speaking of which, will you guys be using a cover for you phone or will this phone be okay without one?

    Oh and MS/Nokia needs Instagram fast, especially with a camera like the 920 has and the color choices. It is obviously catering (one of) to hipsters or youngins. And the lack of Instagram will surely turn off two of their target markets.
    Definitely no cover - that will reduce some of the bulk gap :) Also, the buttons and camera panel are now ceramic so they should be fairly scratch proof.

    Lumia 920 features ceramic camera strip and buttons | nokiagadgets.com

    On the latest wpcentral podcast from today, I think Daniel hinted that he talked to folks who hinted that Instagram was close. Not close enough to announce but definitely happening behind the scenes. I realize that is multiple levels of hinting but hopefully it will happen soon.
    11-01-2012 07:07 PM
  16. dharmababa's Avatar
    2. The camera score being the same as the iPhone's score. This is because he stated that the iPhone would be an easier camera to use for the general public, whereas it will mostly pros that enjoy the full benefits of the 920's camera.

    7.9 seems right to me.
    I agree the review was reasonably partial, but did they ever really explain this whole general public vs pros thing? I don't see how it takes a pro to take advantage of the low light capabilities or OIS.

    Based on what I have read, it would have been reasonable to give it a 9 on camera, but an equal score to the "best phone camera" (iPhone 5) isn't bad either.

    On the flip side, you could also argue that it could have scored lower on 'Design' since it is objectively significantly larger than the competition, even after you take into account screen size differences.
    11-01-2012 07:09 PM
  17. MAERSK's Avatar
    I'm assuming that was Vlad that took those shots in gloomy London. What amazing photos! :)
    11-01-2012 11:16 PM
  18. Luminatic's Avatar
    Well, I've reread this review thoroughly, and this ...


    A legitimate criticism of Nokias 808 PureView camera is that while it can take amazing shots, it really requires the hands of a very knowledgeable user to pull them off. That same complaint applies to the Lumia 920s camera as well. To most eyes, the images look a little washed out and dont "pop," with not enough warm tones. A studied pro might say that theyre more accurate and true to life, but the vast majority of smartphone users dont want to think about the nuances of optical imaging stabilization, they just want to take photos.



    ... made me realise that I really can't take that review seriously. So, a camera that takes photos with realistic colouring is now a disadvantage? If you take a picture in the middle of a sunny day, where everything seems to be whiter and cooler, the colours on the picture are supposed to look as if you have taken the picture in the late afternoon (when the colours look warmer and richer)? They've got to be kidding. :mad:


    This though ...

    Taking three shots of the same scene can sometimes produce as many as three different color temperatures: a beige coffee table appeared rosy in one image, a greenish yellow in the next, and the perfect pale taupe in the third.

    is, IMHO, more of a problem. I had a similar issue on my Lumia 800: When I tried, for example, took a macro picture of a pure white object, the colour tended to have a rosy tint ... I solved this by swichting to "snow" when taking pictures, which resulted in pure white objects in the pictures. After some update during summer (I believe), the white balance became much better in automatic mode.
    Still would like to try such scenarios out myself rather than just trusting a review.
    11-02-2012 01:35 PM
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