11-06-2012 08:27 PM
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  1. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    Nope, there's no problem. It's just a forums joke. Even though Nokia said a fix was on the way for the problem. Even though most reviews have knocked it. Good to see Nokia jumping on those non-issues.
    11-05-2012 04:41 PM
  2. aubreyq's Avatar
    I guess they just need to tweak it. In the end this must mean they either rushed this 920 a little or weren't very detailed on testing. Regardless, this isn't a huge deal and will be addressed so that part indeed is good news.
    11-05-2012 04:42 PM
  3. keizka's Avatar
    Nope, there's no problem. It's just a forums joke. Even though Nokia said a fix was on the way for the problem. Even though most reviews have knocked it. Good to see Nokia jumping on those non-issues.
    Software issue hardware defective does not make, does it? If it can take pictures, I take them pictures, though the quality isn't on auto settings quite up to par.
    11-05-2012 04:44 PM
  4. Reflexx's Avatar
    Nope, there's no problem. It's just a forums joke. Even though Nokia said a fix was on the way for the problem. Even though most reviews have knocked it. Good to see Nokia jumping on those non-issues.
    Obviously Nokia sees this as a problem. They want to have better picture quality in bright light. Has anyone denied that?

    However, the current camera is not "defective." The "fix" is going to be rolled out to try to be more competetive against other high quality products, not to repair something that's broken.

    I don't really see what's so hard to understand.
    a5cent, maverick786us and Residing like this.
    11-05-2012 04:54 PM
  5. bmarsden's Avatar
    ...if HTC promised great sound with Beats, delivered muddy poor-quality sound, and then said "we'll fix it soon with a firmware update."
    I think that's a pretty lousy comparison...the pictures aren't total garbage, they could just some improvement in highly lit areas.
    11-05-2012 05:22 PM
  6. lg89's Avatar
    Why can't they get this **** straight before launching the device?

    Nokia's livelihood as an ongoing business essentially depends on the success of this device, yet they continue to flub everything about it.

    I'm just completely disappointed. If this is their best effort, then they deserve to go under. Kudos for Microsoft for having a backup plan.
    Hey, no one said Apple deserves to fail simply because it has had to polish its products post release. (And as a user of iOS, I can attest to that).

    Another way to see it is that it takes more than one or even two product cycles to recover from obsolescence. Time is a limiting factor here, and if you don't have enough time to polish your product, it's better to release a product that you can polish along its lifespan rather than lose another product cycle.

    A lot of people are going to complain that Nokia has already had 2+ product cycles to catch up, but given how much it's bleeding money, and how they chose a platform that itself was under a strict deadline to catch up to competitors, I'm not entirely surprised that there are still kinks. Keep in mind how ambitious Nokia has been. It decided to bring an entirely new camera technology, when its closest competitor on this platform (HTC) merely decided to transplant a camera technology they had perfected in a different platform. So long as there's no problem with the hardware itself, I don't mind patches and updates to refine feature points.

    Let's put things in perspective here after all. What Nokia has tried to do in two product cycle, its competitors have had the pleasure of doing in twice that amount of time. All said and done, I've personally found Nokia deserving of another lifeline and some benefit of the doubt. If they need to polish their product a bit post release so be it. After all Nokia has had a strong history of supporting their products throughout their life cycle.
    11-05-2012 05:23 PM
  7. mlm1950's Avatar
    Why can't they get this **** straight before launching the device?

    Nokia's livelihood as an ongoing business essentially depends on the success of this device, yet they continue to flub everything about it.

    I'm just completely disappointed. If this is their best effort, then they deserve to go under. Kudos for Microsoft for having a backup plan.
    They are trying to.
    11-05-2012 06:13 PM
  8. odin09's Avatar
    I just don't get those who revel in any mistake that Nokia makes. On the flip side I am just as perturbed by the HTC sucks crowd. Personally I am excited that finally we windows phone users will have some exciting hardware to choose from. I would love to get the Nokia 920 but fear the switch to AT&T. If I and up with an 8X that's fine also. My HTC Trophy has served me well.

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    11-05-2012 06:34 PM
  9. brmiller1976's Avatar
    I hear Baghdad Bob is working in Nokia PR now.

    "Software problems? Firmware problems? NONSENSE! The HTC invaders are throwing themselves against the gates of Espoo, where they are dashing their brains out! The fix will be in the coming months and the camera will finish off all who oppose us!" :D
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    11-05-2012 06:37 PM
  10. mlm1950's Avatar
    I just don't get those who revel in any mistake that Nokia makes. On the flip side I am just as perturbed by the HTC sucks crowd. Personally I am excited that finally we windows phone users will have some exciting hardware to choose from. I would love to get the Nokia 920 but fear the switch to AT&T. If I and up with an 8X that's fine also. My HTC Trophy has served me well.

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    Sometimes I envy the iPhone crowd for not having to put up with all of the BS that goes on about which manufacturer makes the better phone. Hopefully Microsoft will come out with a Surface phone, sooner rather than later, to quiet down some of the nonsense.
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    11-05-2012 07:00 PM
  11. Reflexx's Avatar
    I hear Baghdad Bob is working in Nokia PR now.

    "Software problems? Firmware problems? NONSENSE! The HTC invaders are throwing themselves against the gates of Espoo, where they are dashing their brains out! The fix will be in the coming months and the camera will finish off all who oppose us!" :D
    So, when is the fix for HTC's low light photos coming?

    How could they ship a "defective" camera like that?

    :P
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    11-05-2012 07:12 PM
  12. chevans920's Avatar
    So, when is the fix for HTC's low light photos coming?

    How could they ship a "defective" camera like that?

    :P
    +1

    Additionally, HTC can't fix their problem entirely with software :)
    11-05-2012 07:17 PM
  13. independentvolume's Avatar
    Wait a minute, I thought Nokia told us that the beta test was over. Another lie from this overrated Nokia outfit.
    11-05-2012 07:48 PM
  14. Winterfang's Avatar
    Wait a minute, I thought Nokia told us that the beta test was over. Another lie from this overrated Nokia outfit.
    The Beta test was over was for the 900 device. Though in their defense, Microsoft is the one that screw them up by the lack of an update. I remember how furious the Nokia representative was, you could see it in his face lol.
    11-05-2012 07:59 PM
  15. blehblehbleh's Avatar
    (On a slightly more serious note, one can only wonder what the reaction would be if HTC promised great sound with Beats, delivered muddy poor-quality sound, and then said "we'll fix it soon with a firmware update." Do you think it would be pitched by The Usual Suspects as Good News for HTC?) ;)
    Possibly. Given HTC's history of fixing problems, personally I'd be wary, but at the same time I'd be amazed that they got off their butt to do something about it. Can't speak for the rest of who you're referring to.

    Riiiiiiiiiight.

    The company that is launching with a known-defective camera and promising a fix at a future date is more trustworthy than the company launching with a phone that's been confirmed flawless by reviewers.
    It is more trustworthy given the history of the companies. Nokia has been fully committed since they entered back in with Windows Phone. Look at how promptly they acknowledged the firmware issues of the 900 and compare that to HTC. Have you looked at their support forums? Yeah they aren't as transparent or responsive.

    The camera is broken -- otherwise it wouldn't need a "fix."
    Oh, and boys -- if you don't want me winding you up, don't drop my name in public ;)
    For me you provide mild laughs in the manner in which you seem to fit your stereotype. :P
    11-05-2012 08:44 PM
  16. TofuDelight's Avatar
    I'm glad you think so often (and so fondly) of me, VacantWade.

    Obviously, Nokia is just extending it's unbeatably awesome "coming soon" strategy from its rollout to its technology platforms, due to popular demand.

    When will I get the DSLR quality that Nokia promised? Not today... but coming soon with an update! :D
    When did they ever promise dslr quality?
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    11-05-2012 08:45 PM
  17. socialcarpet's Avatar
    I'm not in the spin room. I'm just like Beetlejuice. When invoked, I appear for my adoring fans. :D

    (On a slightly more serious note, one can only wonder what the reaction would be if HTC promised great sound with Beats, delivered muddy poor-quality sound, and then said "we'll fix it soon with a firmware update." Do you think it would be pitched by The Usual Suspects as Good News for HTC?) ;)
    We won't have to wonder for long. Beats is a joke. "Beats" is a brand name for wannabe gangstas with saggy pants, not audiophiles. Monster is just about as bad honestly, the Monster accessories for Nokia are OK, but they cost about 2x what they should for the quality they deliver. I'm hoping we will see more cooperation between Nokia and Dolby Labs. I'm much more optimistic about that than any of the others.
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    11-05-2012 09:09 PM
  18. socialcarpet's Avatar
    When did they ever promise dslr quality?
    Must have been the same day that every reviewer on earth confirmed that the 8x is "flawless"
    11-05-2012 09:13 PM
  19. 1jaxstate1's Avatar
    I guess Nokia phone are suppose to be for photo gurus. In that case, I guess the 920 is a joke.
    We won't have to wonder for long. Beats is a joke. "Beats" is a brand name for wannabe gangstas with saggy pants, not audiophiles. Monster is just about as bad honestly, the Monster accessories for Nokia are OK, but they cost about 2x what they should for the quality they deliver. I'm hoping we will see more cooperation between Nokia and Dolby Labs. I'm much more optimistic about that than any of the others.
    11-05-2012 09:55 PM
  20. TechAbstract's Avatar
    I guess Nokia phone are suppose to be for photo gurus. In that case, I guess the 920 is a joke.
    Beats audio is a joke. The audiophiles will laugh at you when you mentioned Beats Audio.
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    11-06-2012 12:34 AM
  21. Reflexx's Avatar
    I'm not an audiophile, but even I know that Beats Audio is nothing special. And like was already stated, "Monster" is a rip off too.
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    11-06-2012 12:36 AM
  22. vp710's Avatar
    I guess Nokia phone are suppose to be for photo gurus. In that case, I guess the 920 is a joke.
    Man, so much negativity. How about you enjoy your 8X and post back here if/when you have to deal with their customer service and let us know how it went?
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    11-06-2012 12:47 AM
  23. Villain's Avatar
    all the beats bashing yet all reviews mention how loud and clear it is on the 8X... using the "audiophile" argument is like saying "photographers won't use the 920 and it's no where near slr cameras"


    sad really. both the 8X and 920 has pros and cons... people should want both these devices to be successful and raise windows phone up a bit.
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    11-06-2012 12:57 AM
  24. Reflexx's Avatar
    all the beats bashing yet all reviews mention how loud and clear it is on the 8X... using the "audiophile" argument is like saying "photographers won't use the 920 and it's no where near slr cameras"





    sad really. both the 8X and 920 has pros and cons... people should want both these devices to be successful and raise windows phone up a bit.

    The 8X has a better amplifier, I believe.

    Just because "Beats Audio" is generally a rip off doesn't mean the 8X audio sucks. As far as I know, you're not paying extra for the Beats Audio name on the 8X like you would if you were buying Beats Audio headphones.
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    11-06-2012 01:39 AM
  25. Landsharkk's Avatar
    The 8X has a better amplifier, I believe.

    Just because "Beats Audio" is generally a rip off doesn't mean the 8X audio sucks. As far as I know, you're not paying extra for the Beats Audio name on the 8X like you would if you were buying Beats Audio headphones.
    Similar to how you are paying less for a Lumia 920 that takes good pictures in daylight (with a fix already announced before the phone is released in the U.S.) and GREAT pictures at night.
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    11-06-2012 01:54 AM
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