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  1. wamsille's Avatar
    Nexus 4 camera isn't the greatest so that is nothing to brag about. However, it does own in everything else except LTE and camera and for $299 unlocked, it just wins automatically.
    Well, that escalated quickly!

    I have to disagree. At $299 unlocked the device only has 8GB of onboard storage which just isn't going to be sufficient enough for every user out there. Add the extra $50 to double the storage and you are still only a stone's throw away from the Lumia 920 ($449.99 unlocked) that doubles the storage capacity and adds a better camera + LTE.
    12-10-2012 12:04 PM
  2. independentvolume's Avatar
    Well, that escalated quickly!

    I have to disagree. At $299 unlocked the device only has 8GB of onboard storage which just isn't going to be sufficient enough for every user out there. Add the extra $50 to double the storage and you are still only a stone's throw away from the Lumia 920 ($449.99 unlocked) that doubles the storage capacity and adds a better camera + LTE.
    I love the 8gb argument. Chances are pretty damn good that if 8gb isn't enough for you, neither is 32. That said, a phone without expandable storage isn't a top of the line imo.
    12-10-2012 12:10 PM
  3. wamsille's Avatar
    I love the 8gb argument. Chances are pretty damn good that if 8gb isn't enough for you, neither is 32. That said, a phone without expandable storage isn't a top of the line imo.
    From the offical page:

    8GB or 16GB (actual formatted capacity will be less)

    8GB of storage for a device is no longer acceptable. It's just not. Applications are larger, many people like to take their music collection with them on the go and should anyone want to take photos and store them locally they now have to consider sending things to the cloud sooner. Also keep in mind that while data speeds have increased and we are in an age of LTE that data plans are not unlimited with every carrier.

    So the 8GB doesn't bother you - do you then manipulate and use your content through the cloud? What happens when your data connection is iffy? Compare streaming an HD movie on network or over Wi-Fi versus a locally stored file that will play at full resolution without buffering. 8GB is just paltry and a loss-leader for Google to draw users into their offering. 32GB on my phone is plenty, I still have around 20GB remaining. I would have had to clear out files on the 8GB a while ago. On the 16GB device I would have to make some tough choices but not nearly as much.
    12-10-2012 12:28 PM
  4. tomatoes11's Avatar
    Well, that escalated quickly!

    I have to disagree. At $299 unlocked the device only has 8GB of onboard storage which just isn't going to be sufficient enough for every user out there. Add the extra $50 to double the storage and you are still only a stone's throw away from the Lumia 920 ($449.99 unlocked) that doubles the storage capacity and adds a better camera + LTE.
    I consider myself middle class and $100 is hardly a stone's throw away. Let's say that you are right though and a weeks worth of groceries isn't a lot(could be more than a weeks worth outside of Vancouver BC), you are forgetting that the technology packed in here is nothing short of the best that mobile phones have to offer. I am not talking about gimmicky stuff like a camera in low light or beats audio. This is straight out beefy value here since it includes the foundation of the phone, no I do not consider the camera to be a foundation. Just to be clear though, the Lumia 920 where I live is $549.99 and the Nexus 4 16gb is $359.99. Huge difference for double the ram and a quad core version of the dual core found in the Lumia 920.

    To put this into perspective that even fan boys can understand. The CPU is twice the Lumia 920, literally. The ram is twice the Lumia 920, literally. The operating system and software is the state of art version of the leading or second place mobile operating system in the world(whether or not you hate Android or not is irrelevant because is still costs a lot to maintain and design and this is the top of line version of it and older phones like the GS3 still cost $600 when running older versions). The phone has maybe 2,3, or 4 times as many apps as the lumia 920. The screen is bigger and brighter at 600+ nits and 4.7 inches than the Lumia 920. It is also thinner and lighter than the Lumia 920 despite using glass on the back.

    Sorry. For $299 and those specifications, it is unreal. The equivalent would be an Automobile company offering a car based off a Ferrari with a Ferrari engine for the price of a Corolla. The automobile equivalent of your saying is get a Acura TL instead, it is only 30 grand more and has power everything.

    In the important areas like CPU, RAM, software, screen, battery charge cycle, price, battery size, physical profile the Nexus 4 wins easily in value.

    The Lumia 920 wins in luxury things that are not even a prerequisite for a great phone like camera and LTE and using the phone with gloves. In fact, the only fundamental that the Lumia 920 wins in is storage space.
    Last edited by tomatoes11; 12-10-2012 at 12:47 PM.
    12-10-2012 12:36 PM
  5. Big Supes's Avatar
    I consider myself middle class and $100 is hardly a stone's throw away. Let's say that you are right though and a weeks worth of groceries isn't a lot(could be more than a weeks worth outside of Vancouver BC), you are forgetting that the technology packed in here is nothing short of the best that mobile phones have to offer. I am not talking about gimmicky stuff like a camera in low light or beats audio. This is straight out beefy value here since it includes the foundation of the phone, no I do not consider the camera to be a foundation. Just to be clear though, the Lumia 920 where I live is $549.99 and the Nexus 4 16gb is $359.99. Huge difference for double the ram and a quad core version of the dual core found in the Lumia 920.

    To put this into perspective that even fan boys can understand. The CPU is twice the Lumia 920, literally. The ram is twice the Lumia 920, literally. The operating system and software is the state of art version of the leading or second place mobile operating system in the world(whether or not you hate Android or not is irrelevant because is still costs a lot to maintain and design and this is the top of line version of it and older phones like the GS3 still cost $600 when running older versions). The phone has maybe 2,3, or 4 times as many apps as the lumia 920. The screen is bigger and brighter at 600+ nits and 4.7 inches than the Lumia 920. It is also thinner and lighter than the Lumia 920 despite using glass on the back.

    Sorry. For $299 and those specifications, it is unreal. The equivalent would be an Automobile company offering a car based off a Ferrari with a Ferrari engine for the price of a Corolla. The automobile equivalent of your saying is get a Acura TL instead, it is only 30 grand more and has power everything.

    In the important areas like CPU, RAM, software, screen, battery charge cycle, price, battery size, physical profile the Nexus 4 wins easily in value.

    The Lumia 920 wins in luxury things that are not even a prerequisite for a great phone like camera and LTE and using the phone with gloves. In fact, the only fundamental that the Lumia 920 wins in is storage space.
    While I agree the Nexus 4 is decent value for money, I disagree wholeheartedly that, in this day 'n age, the camera function is considered a gimmick and doesn't contribute towards the foundation of any smartphone. Personally, I would argue that 99% of the 300% more apps available in the Android marketplace could be deemed gimmicky.

    Regarding the CPU, RAM, battery size, software, and physical profile - it's all very subjective. Android has always offered more of a 'pocket PC' experience which requires heavy lifting. WP is pretty streamlined blending some customisation, as well as the 'it just works' experience that Apple's iPhone offers. It's all about the user-experience; just because one platform needs as many cores as possible, it doesn't necessarily apply to all.
    12-10-2012 01:16 PM
  6. aabbcc123's Avatar
    I consider myself middle class and $100 is hardly a stone's throw away. Let's say that you are right though and a weeks worth of groceries isn't a lot(could be more than a weeks worth outside of Vancouver BC), you are forgetting that the technology packed in here is nothing short of the best that mobile phones have to offer. I am not talking about gimmicky stuff like a camera in low light or beats audio. This is straight out beefy value here since it includes the foundation of the phone, no I do not consider the camera to be a foundation. Just to be clear though, the Lumia 920 where I live is $549.99 and the Nexus 4 16gb is $359.99. Huge difference for double the ram and a quad core version of the dual core found in the Lumia 920.

    To put this into perspective that even fan boys can understand. The CPU is twice the Lumia 920, literally. The ram is twice the Lumia 920, literally. The operating system and software is the state of art version of the leading or second place mobile operating system in the world(whether or not you hate Android or not is irrelevant because is still costs a lot to maintain and design and this is the top of line version of it and older phones like the GS3 still cost $600 when running older versions). The phone has maybe 2,3, or 4 times as many apps as the lumia 920. The screen is bigger and brighter at 600+ nits and 4.7 inches than the Lumia 920. It is also thinner and lighter than the Lumia 920 despite using glass on the back.

    Sorry. For $299 and those specifications, it is unreal. The equivalent would be an Automobile company offering a car based off a Ferrari with a Ferrari engine for the price of a Corolla. The automobile equivalent of your saying is get a Acura TL instead, it is only 30 grand more and has power everything.

    In the important areas like CPU, RAM, software, screen, battery charge cycle, price, battery size, physical profile the Nexus 4 wins easily in value.

    The Lumia 920 wins in luxury things that are not even a prerequisite for a great phone like camera and LTE and using the phone with gloves. In fact, the only fundamental that the Lumia 920 wins in is storage space.
    Ever wonder why platforms like iOS and Windows Phone never has Quad Core processors or as much ram as Android? Could it is because they don't need them? Just look at the iPhone 5 benchmark, its dual cores there easily beat many of the quad core Android phones, even in real world usage the iPhone 5 easily equals or bests its quad core competitors. Optimisation is key here, if the platform is optimised, it naturally doesn't need as many cores/ram as one that isn't as optimised. I'm not joking when I say my iPhone 5 or Lumia 920 doesn't get bogged down like my dad's S3 despite "only" having dual core processors(it is usually here people tell me I have to root the Android device to 'unlock its true potential'). Don't take my word for it, just play with both devices.

    I can see where you are coming from the rest of your post though, I just find it irritating that people use quad core/ram as a benchmark at how great Android phones are, it isn't, okay? Having quad cores isn't that big an advantage manufacturers are making it out to be.
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    12-10-2012 01:48 PM
  7. Big Supes's Avatar
    Ever wonder why platforms like iOS and Windows Phone never has Quad Core processors or as much ram as Android? Could it is because they don't need them? Just look at the iPhone 5 benchmark, its dual cores there easily beat many of the quad core Android phones, even in real world usage the iPhone 5 easily equals or bests its quad core competitors. Optimisation is key here, if the platform is optimised, it naturally doesn't need as many cores/ram as one that isn't as optimised. I'm not joking when I say my iPhone 5 or Lumia 920 doesn't get bogged down like my dad's S3 despite "only" having dual core processors(it is usually here people tell me I have to root the Android device to 'unlock its true potential'). Don't take my word for it, just play with both devices.

    I can see where you are coming from the rest of your post though, I just find it irritating that people use quad core/ram as a benchmark at how great Android phones are, it isn't, okay? Having quad cores isn't that big an advantage manufacturers are making it out to be.
    Especially considering battery consumption. :)
    12-10-2012 02:05 PM
  8. wamsille's Avatar
    The processor and RAM on the Nexus 4 don't make it a better phone. Literally. Compared to dual-core and single-core devices the Nexus 4 doesn't necessarily do things better or all that much faster than other Android devices. Literally.

    The hardware in the Lumia 920 was designed to run Windows Phone 8. Operation of this device is smooth and overall a satisfying experience. The same could be said of the hardware inside the latest iPhone - it too was designed to run iOS 6 the best way possible. Android is to mobile phones as Linux is to destkop PC's. The issue isn't necessarily the OS itself but the various fragments that get created with every hardware / software change. I almost bought a Nexus 4 - $350 off contract for the 16GB model isn't bad. But the lack of LTE, a so-so camera and no expandable memory made me take pause. Now if it was 16GB on board with the option to expand upon that and had AT&T LTE support it would be a winner for me.

    Yes, the Lumia doesn't have expandable storage but 32GB is still four times the storage on the $299 Nexus 4. Enjoy watching one HD movie on the device along with about 150 photos and a CD worth of music. I kid. You can probably get two CD's worth of music.
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    12-10-2012 02:05 PM
  9. joeynox's Avatar
    Quad core is a waste on mobile phones. There's nothing that uses them and the same gor 2 gigs of ram. Its a great way to future proof your divice. The nexus doesn't need lte. I wish my Lumia 920 didn't have it or at least had an off switch. Its a battery hog . The one thin that kills the nexus foe me is the glass in the back . I won't ever buy a phone with glass on the back.
    12-10-2012 03:15 PM
  10. StevesBalls's Avatar
    Quad core is a waste on mobile phones. There's nothing that uses them and the same gor 2 gigs of ram. Its a great way to future proof your divice. The nexus doesn't need lte. I wish my Lumia 920 didn't have it or at least had an off switch. Its a battery hog . The one thin that kills the nexus foe me is the glass in the back . I won't ever buy a phone with glass on the back.
    What about glass on the front? ;)
    12-12-2012 07:45 AM
  11. joeynox's Avatar
    Put some bullet proof glass on it and its a buy
    12-12-2012 09:08 AM
  12. StevesBalls's Avatar
    Put some bullet proof glass on it and its a buy
    The point I was trying to make is that you already have gorilla glass on the front so it kinda mitigates the argument about glass on the back. There will always be glass on your phone that can break. You simply should not drop your phone, regardless if you have glass just on the front or on both sides. :)
    12-12-2012 09:27 AM
  13. joeynox's Avatar
    I know what you meant, . But designing a mobile device with glass on the back is idiotic especially when those devices get dropped or just rest on their back. My wife broke her iPhone that way it was a week old and the case hadn't come from amazon yet. She put it on our table and the back broke. She didn't throw it or toss she basically had it in her and and put the front downs nd let go of the back and bam 1-2 inches off the table and broke. Its just a bad design. Its nice looking but not practical.
    12-12-2012 03:00 PM
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