View Poll Results: Does the lack of support from third parties bother you?

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  • Nah. I could care less. I like WP8 just fine as is.

    79 24.92%
  • A little.Companies dropping/refusing support for the platform disheartens me.

    179 56.47%
  • Sometimes I feel like I'm pulling for the wrong team and I have strongly considered jumping ship.

    59 18.61%
01-14-2013 09:09 PM
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  1. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    You could do the same with multiple different programs and browser plugins before Windows 8 was even released... Also, pop-up notifications aren't a Windows 8 - exclusive feature, you can do them with any program on most OSes, Windows or not (just in a different way). So once again, there's no need at all to use "Windows Store" in Windows 8 to achieve such things (especially if a developer is not interested in supporting any mobile OS or only wants to support Android and iOS), this is why it will be a failure in the long run. At least I personally hope it will fail - I like to use the Valve's Steam for all my PC gaming needs (I have over 300 games purchased through it already) and I definitely don't want to be "encouraged" by Microsoft to use their inferior "Windows Store" to purchase/manage my PC games (as well as manage the community of people who also have those games) instead. Same goes for programs like Skype - it always worked perfectly and provided perfect notifications to me even in Windows 7, without being a special "app" from "Windows Store".
    Android succeeded perfectly without Google adding in any absolutely redundant PC "apps" or stand-alone PC programs, so can WP8 :-P
    Oftentimes I would miss the notification on Skype. Tiny little notification in the bottom right corner. I missed it most times. Sure, I could keep the browser tabs open but for those who want integration, Windows 8 is on the right track. For example with Twitter and Facebook. I like having one place for my Twitter/FB notifications. I don't want to have to keep going between two browser windows when I can get them all aggregated into one feed. Plus, if Windows 8 fails, WP8 fails, and so will the Xbox. Suddenly, Microsoft is dead and gone, and peeved off fanboys will blow up Google, Apple, etc (and seriously, I wouldn't put it past them, I know many a person that wants to beat the living daylights out of me just because I use Windows Phone and not Apple/Android).

    Also, Android succeeded because it was a viable alternative to the expensive iPhone to those on a budget. It has that market cornered (and mid-range alongside older iPhones), iPhone has the premium market cornered (and mid-range with older iPhones). Microsoft needs a way to barge itself in, and the 3 screen philosophy is a part of that, and a pretty major one at that.
    01-14-2013 05:29 PM
  2. Nataku4ca's Avatar
    At least I personally hope it will fail - I like to use the Valve's Steam for all my PC gaming needs (I have over 300 games purchased through it already) and I definitely don't want to be "encouraged" by Microsoft to use their inferior "Windows Store" to purchase/manage my PC games (as well as manage the community of people who also have those games) instead.
    so what you're essentially saying is that you don't want competition and that even though the service just started and provides a way for regular users to download apps knowing they are not malware infected (at least if the checkers work) you want it to die without trying? look, I'm not trying to start a flaming war or anything, but Linux has these package downloader that acts like App Store (Ubuntoo does at least iirc) and that's a desktop as well, and pretty sure OSX has an app store as well, why is it suddenly a problem when Microsoft does it?

    and on another note, steam when it first started, it wasn't as good as it is now either, these things take time to build, i feel an app store just complements windows, it's not the one and only way which is the good part, if Microsoft decides to prevent people from installing software not from the app store (not apps, lets just get that straight) for full blown windows then I'll have a problem with it, otherwise what they are doing now is perfectly fine

    one thing with the app store as well is it's easy to download and install apps, which is the biggest benefit of it all
    01-14-2013 05:33 PM
  3. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    and pretty sure OSX has an app store as well, why is it suddenly a problem when Microsoft does it?
    You're correct in that OS X has an App Store too. And yeah, isn't Steam essentially an app store purely for games?
    01-14-2013 05:34 PM
  4. Alex Kj's Avatar
    so what you're essentially saying is that you don't want competition and that even though the service just started and provides a way for regular users to download apps knowing they are not malware infected (at least if the checkers work) you want it to die without trying? look, I'm not trying to start a flaming war or anything, but Linux has these package downloader that acts like App Store (Ubuntoo does at least iirc) and that's a desktop as well, and pretty sure OSX has an app store as well, why is it suddenly a problem when Microsoft does it?

    and on another note, steam when it first started, it wasn't as good as it is now either, these things take time to build, i feel an app store just complements windows, it's not the one and only way which is the good part, if Microsoft decides to prevent people from installing software not from the app store (not apps, lets just get that straight) for full blown windows then I'll have a problem with it, otherwise what they are doing now is perfectly fine

    one thing with the app store as well is it's easy to download and install apps, which is the biggest benefit of it all
    I'm not against "healthy" competition (for example, I don't mind at all the EA's own "Origin", which is a direct competitor to Valve's Steam), I just would rather prefer it to be an independent 3rd-party one and not the one who is sometimes known to overdo the whole "competition" thing to the point of lawsuites ;-) And judging by comments from representatives of large game companies (Valve, Blizzard, Stardock and others - you can Google them for more details) I'm not the only one who think this way ;-)
    Not to mention the huge amount of $$$ and time that MS are wasting on the Windows 8's "Windows Store" maintenance and "improvement", all of which could be spent in a much more productive way, such as attracting (meaning "paying them whatever $$$ they want to see before they would be willing to start the development") more major mobile app developers without passively waiting for them to come on their own... But I already explained it before.
    So no, I'm not against competition or giving people more choice, I'm just against any attempts at total control of all software distribution falsely disguised as "giving people more choice/convenience" (it may not be the case right now but I have a great suspicion about the future) and against wasting $$$ and time on absolutely needless things/services.
    Last edited by Alex Kj; 01-14-2013 at 08:07 PM.
    01-14-2013 07:54 PM
  5. Dave Blake's Avatar
    When i used to be Microsoft certified we all used M$ and it wasn't because of our distaste for Microsoft (since it was our lively hood). I type M$ because it's funny and gets fanboys panties in a bunch

    Based on that statement right there from now on if I see you type M$ I am going to give you an infraction for trolling so don't do it again on this website. if you are doing something just to make people mad that is trolling.
    01-14-2013 08:41 PM
  6. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    Based on that statement right there from now on if I see you type M$ I am going to give you an infraction for trolling so don't do it again on this website. if you are doing something just to make people mad that is trolling.
    But I'm presuming other people are ok to type M$ correct? Even though I prefer to say MS/Microsoft anyway.

    Also, be sure to alert all your other members of staff to do the same.
    01-14-2013 08:50 PM
  7. Dave Blake's Avatar
    But I'm presuming other people are ok to type M$ correct? Even though I prefer to say MS/Microsoft anyway.

    Also, be sure to alert all your other members of staff to do the same.
    [NOTE]
    • Trolling - Do not post inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages to provoke users into responding in a negative way. Calling another member a troll is also a form of trolling.[/NOTE]

    If anyone is posting anything in the forum just to provoke users into responding in a negative way it is against the forum rules and is trolling.

    There is nothing wrong with M$ for Microsoft I think it is cool Microsoft is a big company and makes lots of money I don't see that there is anything wrong with it in theory. The issue is the intent, that is what is in question here, sometimes its hard to prove intent and sometimes its not.
    Last edited by Dave Blake; 01-14-2013 at 09:11 PM.
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    01-14-2013 08:54 PM
  8. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    You're correct in that OS X has an App Store too. And yeah, isn't Steam essentially an app store purely for games?
    You're right about Steam. It's gaming for PC, Mac and Linux.
    01-14-2013 09:04 PM
  9. Daniel Ratcliffe's Avatar
    [NOTE]
    Trolling - Do not post inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages to provoke users into responding in a negative way. Calling another member a troll is also a form of trolling.[/NOTE]

    If anyone is posting anything in the forum just to provoke users into responding in a negative way it is against the forum rules and is trolling.

    There is nothing wrong with M$ for Microsoft I think it is cool Microsoft is a big company and makes lots of money I don't see that there is anything wrong with in theory. The issue is the intent that is what is in question here sometimes its hard to prove intent and sometimes its not.
    Sorry, my post was ambiguous but you answered my query in the final paragraph anyway. :)
    01-14-2013 09:09 PM
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