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03-18-2013 04:14 PM
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  1. LumiaDream's Avatar
    The least we can expect when trying to help you is engage with us when we reply to your thread, please answer my question, in my previous post; Are you using a cover for your phone? Some (most, if not all) covers interfere with incoming light to the sensor, even if they don't cover the sensor. Try taking off the cover takes some test shots and see for yourself.
    03-18-2013 09:00 AM
  2. JustToClarify's Avatar
    I don't want to get into "why they haven't brought the system to WP yet" discussion again, but for anyone interested here is a good take on the subject.. it slightly differs from my own, but still.. he has couple of good points:

    Why Nokia 808 had to use Symbian...

    He says we will never see it on WP,.. I strongly disagree. We will see the same, or something better.. its a matter of time.
    Well the article clearly states that PureView is possible on WP but not in next 2-3-4 years in the form of a classic <200g phone. So the options are to wait for the technology advancement until 2015-2017 and then make such a phone or release the competitor to Galaxy Camera in the form of a smartcam this year which I would put my bet on...
    03-18-2013 09:25 AM
  3. realwarder's Avatar
    I just want to know the secret to taking photos, like the above cat, all the time. Here is one shot that I had hoped would have come out better:

    https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resi...E5Z0q5QhqnNR14

    I thought it scene was beautiful but when I look at the photo it hurts my eyes. It is blurry. It's like it is out of focus.

    Anyway, thank you all again for the help. I do agree that it does take great low-light photos but I would like just a tad sharper images that don't look out of focus.
    That Skydrive photo is not full res. I suggest you check your phone is set to not compress images it uploads to Skydrive, or copy the photos using USB to a PC.
    03-18-2013 09:53 AM
  4. karmamule's Avatar
    Am I the only person who actually takes pictures of people? The pics are nice and if I took pictures of random objects it would probably work for me too. I also wonder how many pics were taken to get one good one? But in real use situations, its useless to me.

    I take pictures of my family and my friends for upload to fb, etc. I haven't taken one photo indoors that every person looking at camera didn't have glowing eyes, not red eyes, glowing eyes. I have a whole bunch of pics from Thanksgiving and Christmas that were useless until I post edited. I used my Razr Maxx for comparison in same pics with no glowing eyes. Flash on, flash off, tweaked settings, everything I could think of and still I got about 1 in 5 that was worth keeping. If they weren't blurry, they were dark without flash and if I used flash my family looked possessed. I could pick up my Razr and click away. Now I still had a few bad ones with it, but so many more usable pics all, without glowing eyes.

    I have never had an issue with glowing eyes with any prior camera phones. So yes, point, click, done in a real life situation this camera is not. If I want to be a photographer and take staged pics of fruit and panoramas I will grab a real camera. But I want a camera phone. One where I can pull it out of my pocket and point, click, send at a moments notice without messing with exposure times and taking half a dozen pics so I can get one worth keeping. I would take some red/glowing eye remover software over all the other software they have on this phone.
    So far I've found it easy to take pics of people that I'm happy with. I almost never use flash and almost always am lazy and keep the camera on auto. But, maybe I'm just not bothered by whatever it is you're seeing. Here are these sample photos, with the two in the restaurant being in rather dim light, but I still got away without using flash. I'm happy with these photos for coming from a cell phone camera with no fiddling or post-processing.
    03-18-2013 10:09 AM
  5. vlad0's Avatar
    Well the article clearly states that PureView is possible on WP but not in next 2-3-4 years in the form of a classic <200g phone. So the options are to wait for the technology advancement until 2015-2017 and then make such a phone or release the competitor to Galaxy Camera in the form of a smartcam this year which I would put my bet on...
    I highly doubt that... it would defeat the whole purpose of the PureView project. The EOS will be a smartphone for sure :)

    But let's say that it was in fact just a stand alone camera.. what OS would it be running on ?
    03-18-2013 10:38 AM
  6. cameradork's Avatar
    I just want to know the secret to taking photos, like the above cat, all the time. Here is one shot that I had hoped would have come out better:

    https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resi...E5Z0q5QhqnNR14

    I thought it scene was beautiful but when I look at the photo it hurts my eyes. It is blurry. It's like it is out of focus.

    Anyway, thank you all again for the help. I do agree that it does take great low-light photos but I would like just a tad sharper images that don't look out of focus.
    Two tips for this one. First off, it looks like you're getting bad flaring again which is turning the left half of your image a weird color and is probably contributing to the blurriness you're seeing. Lens flare produces a visual "film" over the part of the image affected which is unwanted most of the time (unless you're an Instagram filter fiend...*rimshot!*) I've seen a few other people on the board that were getting a lot of flaring in various lighting conditions that I know my phone wouldn't have, and I think at least one of them exchanged it with a different unit that didn't have that issue. It's also possible that you're once again at a bad angle to your light source. You could try adjusting your angle so the sun or any bright light source isn't at an edge of the frame. This is the second photo I've seen of yours with flaring (cat sitting up was the other) - I'd be curious to see more of the ones you're unhappy with to see if this is causing the problem.

    Second is your position in relation to the foreground objects. Two things affect the depth of field - your relation to the object in focus, and then that object's relation to anything behind it. The closer you are to your object in focus, the more out of focus anything behind that object will be. I would have taken a few steps back from your position so the brush in the lower right wasn't as close, and then made sure to focus on something way out in the background. Landscapes are trickier with wide-open f/2 lenses than they are with a dedicated camera that you can stop down to f/11 or f/16, which greatly increases the depth of field and keeps more stuff in focus.

    Bonus tip: All small/relatively cheap lenses are noticeably sharper in the middle than they are on the edges. "Corner sharpness" is a prized trait and selling point in more expensive dedicated lenses. When I'm shooting landscapes or anything where I want everything in focus with a phone now, I try to leave a lot of room around the edges to do a center crop to get rid of the distortion/blurriness on the edges (the 920 seems to have that problem more on one side of the lens than the other).
    03-18-2013 10:46 AM
  7. cameradork's Avatar
    http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...mia-920-a.html

    When you take a night shot with streetlights in it, do you get this kind of thing going on?
    03-18-2013 11:15 AM
  8. uselessrobot's Avatar
    The camera on the Lumia 920 is one of the easiest I've ever used. I set white balance and that's it. Even with the flash off there's not much I need to worry about.

    Quality is consistently good, but obviously I wouldn't be using this thing for more serious photography. But then I'd be using a DSLR or a four thirds.
    03-18-2013 11:19 AM
  9. barareklam's Avatar
    I want to say that somehow I had bigger expectations myself regarding L920. I can only speak for myself, but my previous phone was Nokia N8 which had bigger sensor, xenon flash and 12 Mpix. Thus dissapointment. With time I learned what can be done with L920 and I am not complaining any more. Picutres are not as good as N8 pictures, simply as that. After portico they are better. My pictures are about same quality as karmamule's samples.
    Install HD photo viewer app which is much better then default windows phone 8 photo viewer, that app shows pictures as they are and in full resolution, which is not the case with default viewer.
    And finally when you want some joy, install ProShot app, put a phone on tripod and take some pictures with 4 seconds exposure and you will be happy for a moment. I can take a picture of a stars with four seconds exposure and for a phone it is relly good.
    Post your pictures here so we can see and try to recreate same thing and help you if needed.
    And once again, phone is not a dslr, maybe your expectations are high like mine was in the beggining.
    03-18-2013 12:03 PM
  10. congusano's Avatar
    Honestly, what got me was that with such a wide open lens f/2.0 and with OIS, I thought images would be less blurry and sharp. Not as much as I had hoped.
    Sure, I can take a picture of a pretty dark room, but nothing in the room can be moving, at all.

    I have an almost 3 year old son who is constantly on the move. Unless he is outside in the glaring sun, indoor shots almost always have some little amount of blur to them.


    Now, video with this phone REALLY impresses me.
    03-18-2013 02:04 PM
  11. cameradork's Avatar
    Honestly, what got me was that with such a wide open lens f/2.0 and with OIS, I thought images would be less blurry and sharp. Not as much as I had hoped.
    Sure, I can take a picture of a pretty dark room, but nothing in the room can be moving, at all.

    I have an almost 3 year old son who is constantly on the move. Unless he is outside in the glaring sun, indoor shots almost always have some little amount of blur to them.
    The max aperture of lens is only meaningful when you're comparing two systems with similar-sized sensors. An f/2 lens on a tiny cameraphone sensor isn't going to pick up anywhere near as much light as an f/2 lens on a four thirds or APS-C or full frame sensor. Less light means slower shutter speeds, which means less ability to stop motion. OIS is good for combating shaky hands and other twitchy movements - it doesn't let more light in and it doesn't slow down your target object. It works well for keeping video motion smooth, but it's not very useful for stills on a wide-angle lens. Phone sensors aren't good enough for indoor motion photography without a flash. You need a larger sensor for that.
    Last edited by cameradork; 03-18-2013 at 03:32 PM. Reason: make it less abrasive.
    03-18-2013 02:35 PM
  12. eortizr's Avatar
    just accept the fact that the Lumia 920 camera is not on par with all the hype that was given to it. The only thing worth to mention on that camera is OIS, besides that any other camera phone in flagship devices is much better than the one in the Lumia 920 (GS3 and iPhone are much better)
    03-18-2013 03:39 PM
  13. JustToClarify's Avatar
    I highly doubt that... it would defeat the whole purpose of the PureView project. The EOS will be a smartphone for sure :)

    But let's say that it was in fact just a stand alone camera.. what OS would it be running on ?
    WP8 I guess, the same way Galaxy Cam is running Android.

    Now I don't deny they aren't able to produce smartphone with that technology, but difference between smartphone and usable smartphone(which would be mainly used like a cameraphone) is night and day. What if they release a 250g brick that wouldn't last half a day and will overheat on a sunny day like crazy?!
    03-18-2013 03:47 PM
  14. Nikumba's Avatar
    I think if you take the photo with tapping the screen it focuses on the point where you tapped the screen, where as if you press the hardware button I think it focus on the whole scene if that makes sense.
    03-18-2013 03:49 PM
  15. cameradork's Avatar
    I think if you take the photo with tapping the screen it focuses on the point where you tapped the screen, where as if you press the hardware button I think it focus on the whole scene if that makes sense.
    The hardware button focuses on the center of the frame in the area marked by the reticle. If the whole scene is in focus, that's only because the closest object to you is far enough away that it's still sharp when the camera is focused on "infinity". When you tap the screen it does focus where you tap.
    03-18-2013 04:14 PM
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