1. pezman726's Avatar
    I have tried going on AT&T's forums and got no answers. I have tried emailing them, and got no responses. I have tried calling them, and their customer support is worthless....

    So now I have decided to spit back every 'tweet' AT&T makes with a response of how they removed data sense. I am also doing it to pretty much every microsoft, and nokia post as well, since they are responsible for LETTING at&t pull that crap.

    So feel free to join along. It probably won't make a difference...but you never know. Maybe if enough people flood them, they'll reconsider.

    https://twitter.com/whynodatasense

    Here are a few examples...

    AT&T
    90% of teens would stop texting at the wheel if a friend asked. What's the other 10% waiting for? Pledge @ http://soc.att.com/ICW #ItCanWait

    me


    @ATT 90% of @windowsphone users would stop getting overage charges if you didn't remove datasense from our @nokia phones. @ATTCustomerCare


    And here's another one...

    Microsoft Store ‏@MicrosoftStore 6h

    Start watching a @Netflix movie on your Windows Phone, then finish it up on your #Windows8 device. pic.twitter.com/abXt3W2yxf

    where is data sense ‏@whynodatasense
    @MicrosoftStore @Microsoft @netflix would if I could monitor data usage, but @ATT removed #datasense no streaming for me!
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    10-15-2013 06:15 PM
  2. ricbon's Avatar
    @rikster81, im in. i hash tagged #datasense
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    10-15-2013 06:20 PM
  3. isi mcf's Avatar
    I've sent them my $0.02 through twitter to @att & @attcustomercare
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    10-15-2013 06:22 PM
  4. pezman726's Avatar
    Posted a few more responses to @att and @attcustomercare, as well as one to @nokia that i included @selop in. More people need to hound AT&T with #datasense. I can't be the only one who is pissed off about this!!!
    10-16-2013 09:46 AM
  5. etad putta's Avatar
    When a person reaches the adult stage of life, he\she begins to form a daily routine. Part of this routine is cellphone usage. A person ends up using pretty much the same amount most of the time so data sense is pretty much a waste of time. I can always check the ATT website if I'm unsure. I have bigger fish to fry.
    10-16-2013 10:03 AM
  6. ricbon's Avatar
    When a person reaches the adult stage of life, he\she begins to form a daily routine. Part of this routine is cellphone usage. A person ends up using pretty much the same amount most of the time so data sense is pretty much a waste of time. I can always check the ATT website if I'm unsure. I have bigger fish to fry.
    its this attitude that the carriers take advatage of the public and also att and verizon have been caught over charging data to customers
    10-16-2013 10:09 AM
  7. pezman726's Avatar
    When a person reaches the adult stage of life, he\she begins to form a daily routine. Part of this routine is cellphone usage. A person ends up using pretty much the same amount most of the time so data sense is pretty much a waste of time. I can always check the ATT website if I'm unsure. I have bigger fish to fry.
    See....my wife and i had smartphones for 3 years before I got my windows phone...we NEVER used more than 70mb a month each. We have a 200mb plan. Since switching to the new phones, while on WiFi nearly all day, we have managed to somehow blow through the 200mb on at least 4 occasions. I would love to know what apps are using that data. Data sense will tell me that. I would love to compress my web traffic. Data sense will do that. I would love for my phone to automatically kill my data connection before I go over. Again data sense will do that too. And most importantly, I would like to compare my data usage to what at&t says I use...because frankly I don't trust them.

    Explain to me how when I am at home all day Sunday, connected to WiFi, somehow on Monday morning at 1am my phone used 30mb of data?
    dalydose likes this.
    10-16-2013 10:12 AM
  8. etad putta's Avatar
    its this attitude that the carriers take advatage of the public and also att and verizon have been caught over charging data to customers
    Any data to back that up?
    10-16-2013 10:22 AM
  9. etad putta's Avatar
    See....my wife and i had smartphones for 3 years before I got my windows phone...we NEVER used more than 70mb a month each. We have a 200mb plan. Since switching to the new phones, while on WiFi nearly all day, we have managed to somehow blow through the 200mb on at least 4 occasions. I would love to know what apps are using that data. Data sense will tell me that. I would love to compress my web traffic. Data sense will do that. I would love for my phone to automatically kill my data connection before I go over. Again data sense will do that too. And most importantly, I would like to compare my data usage to what at&t says I use...because frankly I don't trust them.

    Explain to me how when I am at home all day Sunday, connected to WiFi, somehow on Monday morning at 1am my phone used 30mb of data?
    I like to use my smartphone as a mobile device, I'm not sure that can be done with a data plan that small.
    10-16-2013 10:25 AM
  10. pezman726's Avatar
    I like to use my smartphone as a mobile device, I'm not sure that can be done with a data plan that small.
    I have WiFi at home and work. I only use it to check the weather and handle my email when out and about. Only time im really not connected to WiFi is when I'm driving or out with the family...and I'm not actively using my phone then (except the camera...which is set to not backup photos to SkyDrive unless on wifi). So the 200mb served me well for 3 years prior. I'm not a heavy user, but I really don't like carriers messing with core functionality of the operating system.
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    10-16-2013 10:31 AM
  11. etad putta's Avatar
    Best of luck to you on your campaign, but i choose to sit this one out.
    10-16-2013 01:04 PM
  12. pezman726's Avatar
    Best of luck to you on your campaign, but i choose to sit this one out.
    thanks for the well wishes! if anything, it at least gives me a way to vent! :P
    10-16-2013 01:09 PM
  13. ricbon's Avatar
    Any data to back that up?
    Lawsuit: AT&T "systematically overstates" data usage on iPhone bills | ZDNet
    and please dont say well thats an iphone because it can happen to any phone
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    10-16-2013 02:01 PM
  14. etad putta's Avatar
    Lawsuit: AT&T "systematically overstates" data usage on iPhone bills | ZDNet
    and please dont say well thats an iphone because it can happen to any phone
    3 years ago? Your kidding, right? Did windows phones even exist back then? Something a little more current might help your argument.
    10-16-2013 02:24 PM
  15. pezman726's Avatar
    3 years ago? Your kidding, right? Did windows phones even exist back then? Something a little more current might help your argument.
    WP did exist 3 years ago...almost exactly. Regardless...that case died in court because the guy didn't have the $$ to fight it, and AT&T's contract basically forbid you from filing a class action lawsuit.

    What is relevant about that is this quote though...

    "What's especially telling is how a consulting firm that was hired by the lawyers of the plaintiff conducted its own test of the data billing. Instead of using data and trying to measure it independently for comparison against the bill, the consultant did the exact opposite. The firm bought a new iPhone and immediately turned off all push notifications and location services, made sure that no apps or email accounts were active and then left the iPhone idle for 10 days.AT&T billed the account for 2,292 kilobytes of data over 35 transactions."
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    10-16-2013 02:41 PM
  16. etad putta's Avatar
    What makes it irrelevant is it was 3 years ago. Any company can screw up on billing, McDonalds, amazon, comcast, whoever. How many different ways do we need to monitor our bills. It's overkill.
    10-16-2013 03:05 PM
  17. pezman726's Avatar
    What makes it irrelevant is it was 3 years ago. Any company can screw up on billing, McDonalds, amazon, comcast, whoever. How many different ways do we need to monitor our bills. It's overkill.
    Again, for you, not so important. But if I go 1kb over 200MB I get charged another $15

    Here is an example of what I am talking about...

    10/14/2013 02:47AM -- Internet/mobile web 5605.0 KBs 0.00

    The entire day of 10/13 We were at home, connected to wifi. Yet somehow my wife's phone used up 5.6MB while we were asleep? what?!?!

    10/07/2013 05:03PM -- Internet/mobile web 401.0 KBs

    I had my Data turned OFF on the 7th (i know, because i am paranoid about this stuff) and somehow I used 401kb?

    Again. The monitoring is great.....but I really want the compression and the automatic cutoffs. and to be able to see exactly WHAT is using up my data.
    10-16-2013 05:01 PM
  18. boo516's Avatar
    Any data to back that up?
    I would if I had Data Sense to show me the data
    10-16-2013 09:22 PM
  19. xandros9's Avatar
    they told me to contact so-and-so to help solve my problem

    ...ok.

    well a response is always nice I guess.

    But I flashed my 920 already, just joining the cause
    10-16-2013 10:13 PM
  20. stephen_az's Avatar
    I have tried going on AT&T's forums and got no answers. I have tried emailing them, and got no responses. I have tried calling them, and their customer support is worthless....

    So now I have decided to spit back every 'tweet' AT&T makes with a response of how they removed data sense. I am also doing it to pretty much every microsoft, and nokia post as well, since they are responsible for LETTING at&t pull that crap.

    So feel free to join along. It probably won't make a difference...but you never know. Maybe if enough people flood them, they'll reconsider.

    https://twitter.com/whynodatasense

    Here are a few examples...

    AT&T
    90% of teens would stop texting at the wheel if a friend asked. What's the other 10% waiting for? Pledge @ http://soc.att.com/ICW #ItCanWait

    me


    @ATT 90% of @windowsphone users would stop getting overage charges if you didn't remove datasense from our @nokia phones. @ATTCustomerCare


    And here's another one...

    Microsoft Store ‏@MicrosoftStore 6h

    Start watching a @Netflix movie on your Windows Phone, then finish it up on your #Windows8 device. pic.twitter.com/abXt3W2yxf

    where is data sense ‏@whynodatasense
    @MicrosoftStore @Microsoft @netflix would if I could monitor data usage, but @ATT removed #datasense no streaming for me!
    First, as a VZW customer with a shared data plan, my opinion is you are really over estimating the value of datasense but that is not my big concern. The fact that you would attach a whining poor me tweet to a PSA about texting while driving not only will get you nowhere, it also makes the person sending the tweet look self involved and immature. It would be just about as effective to respond to a MADD PSA about drunk driving in a television commercial by saying what really matters is my cable provider charges too much. As far as Microsoft "letting them do it" goes, would you rather have them negotiate deals with carriers to have the phones or complete control and no US market presence? Apple's deal is unique due to their complete control of the hardware; however, I bet if the carriers had that arrangement to negotiate again, they would probably have pushed back more than they did. Apple updates are not free of problems and (as a present tense example) who do you think is really hearing the most about iPhone 5S/IOS7 reboots, Apple or the carriers? WP8 is on hardware from multiple OEMs and (in the US) on two very different networks. The carriers will insist on some degree of control and Microsoft has little choice but to agree or have no market at all.
    10-17-2013 03:59 AM
  21. pezman726's Avatar
    First, as a VZW customer with a shared data plan, my opinion is you are really over estimating the value of datasense but that is not my big concern. The fact that you would attach a whining poor me tweet to a PSA about texting while driving not only will get you nowhere, it also makes the person sending the tweet look self involved and immature. It would be just about as effective to respond to a MADD PSA about drunk driving in a television commercial by saying what really matters is my cable provider charges too much.
    1st part...how big is your data limit? Do you have 200mb to use, or do you have multiple GB to play with? Last I checked, the minimum vzw data plan was 1gb shared. So unless you have that plan with 5 smartphones, stfu. If you do have that, then I commend you for not going over your data allowance. I don't know about your financial situation, but when there is 3 days left on your billing cycle, and you get charged another $15 for going over your limit when you are not even using your phone...maybe data sense would've prevented that.

    To your second point. If you look at all of my tweets, I correct at&t on one of theirs! They said "stuck in traffic, use your smartphone to let someone in your house.". To which I replied..."just as long as you pull over before you do". Then they changed their tweet to "running late"

    So you see, I am also helping them out. Also, I hijacked their tweets about women in STEM careers and LGBT stuff too. And I plan on hijacking every single one of their tweets until I get an answer from them.

    And you are right, it may seem immature, but at least I am not just sitting back saying, "well, they know what is best for me, I'll just let them continue to rape my wallet" when there is a solution that they explicitly removed just so they can do it (rape my wallet I mean).
    10-17-2013 07:16 AM
  22. etad putta's Avatar
    I sometimes look at what is out there right now that i can work with versus something that i have to beg for and probably will never get. Have you thought of changing to the tmobile $30 plan with 5 gigs of data and 100 minutes? If you use a free voip plan and an android or iphone this could work.
    10-17-2013 09:22 AM
  23. pezman726's Avatar
    I sometimes look at what is out there right now that i can work with versus something that i have to beg for and probably will never get. Have you thought of changing to the tmobile $30 plan with 5 gigs of data and 100 minutes? If you use a free voip plan and an android or iphone this could work.
    Actually, I'm considering jumping to metropcs. 3 smartphones w/ 500mb high speed then throttled + unltd talk/txt for $90. Beats the $110 I'm paying now for 2 smart/1 regular and 700min .20/txt. They have some rebates if you bring your phone and number over. That would mostly offset my ETF. Right now my etf for 2 phones is sitting at $490. The only thing that is stopping me is the fact that I worry about t-mobile's network with my phone. I know it should work...but I went to a t-mo store, slapped on one of their lte Sims and got 2g signal. No Lte, when I know the coverage was there.
    10-17-2013 10:06 AM

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