- doesn't ATT and nokia have an exclusivity? i mean i get the 928 is not going to be the same as the 920 but i mean that most bother ATT. like that's just a back stab. the word exclusive means that they're going to be sole partner for that time. if this phone comes out before june (when the ATT exclusivity runs out) then i honestly will be bothered for 2 reasons. 1) that's a low blow to ATT to change it up a bit and call it different so the word 'exclusive' doesn't matter. the second reason (which is the most important reason) is what the heck is nokia doing? if they keep to different versions of their top of the line then what's the refresh cycle going to look like? different on each carrier? that just sounds dumb from the point of lack of unity in the release structure. so in september what happens? ATT gets the updated version of the 920? why fragment the top of the line? just my thoughts. i really hope this won't come out until the refresh of the 920 comes out.
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InvalidUser0510 likes this.03-13-2013 06:21 PMLike 1 - Share
- oh please, just be happy finally nokia gets an flagship on verizon, usas largest.... it has already been 5 months from release of nokia lumia 920 on ATT, so in april it will be 6 months and the exclusive deal was for 6 months.. it would be an bad move if nokia released 6 months later an old device for them, so it needed to be updated, and another thing why there is so many variants because some carriers want their unique phone in usa, and nokia isnt in that position of samsung or apple to get all carriers along .. but will be hopefully in future.
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03-13-2013 06:32 PMLike 4 - Share
- It's not fragmentation. Every single Lumia device is essentially the exact same phone wrapped in different clothing, with some minor changes to peripheral hardware that make no difference to app or OS developers. If app and OS developers can't tell it's fragmented, then it isn't fragmented.
It is my understanding that exclusivity applies to a specific device. If it applied to business relationships, then Verizon wouldn't even have the Lumia 822 on offer.- Share
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03-13-2013 06:48 PMLike 3 - Share
- oh please, just be happy finally nokia gets an flagship on verizon, usas largest.... it has already been 5 months from release of nokia lumia 920 on ATT, so in april it will be 6 months and the exclusive deal was for 6 months.. it would be an bad move if nokia released 6 months later an old device for them, so it needed to be updated, and another thing why there is so many variants because some carriers want their unique phone in usa, and nokia isnt in that position of samsung or apple to get all carriers along .. but will be hopefully in future.03-13-2013 08:11 PMLike 0
- It's not fragmentation. Every single Lumia device is essentially the exact same phone wrapped in different clothing, with some minor changes to peripheral hardware that make no difference to app or OS developers. If app and OS developers can't tell it's fragmented, then it isn't fragmented.
It is my understanding that exclusivity applies to a specific device. If it applied to business relationships, then Verizon wouldn't even have the Lumia 822 on offer.03-13-2013 08:18 PMLike 0 - doesn't ATT and nokia have an exclusivity? i mean i get the 928 is not going to be the same as the 920 but i mean that most bother ATT. like that's just a back stab. the word exclusive means that they're going to be sole partner for that time. if this phone comes out before june (when the ATT exclusivity runs out) then i honestly will be bothered for 2 reasons. 1) that's a low blow to ATT to change it up a bit and call it different so the word 'exclusive' doesn't matter. the second reason (which is the most important reason) is what the heck is nokia doing? if they keep to different versions of their top of the line then what's the refresh cycle going to look like? different on each carrier? that just sounds dumb from the point of lack of unity in the release structure. so in september what happens? ATT gets the updated version of the 920? why fragment the top of the line? just my thoughts. i really hope this won't come out until the refresh of the 920 comes out.03-13-2013 09:40 PMLike 0
- AT&T will probably get a new Lumia device this fall.
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unstoppablekem likes this.03-13-2013 11:29 PMLike 1 - Share
- I don't care what Verizon gets or att new when ever flagship is. I love my 920!!!! Glad I had the chance to get it when I did. Launch day baby!!!
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03-13-2013 11:37 PMLike 3 - Share
- Don't be jealous! More WP8 hardware for more carriers is a good thing for all of us. There will always be the next big thing and better hardware a few months after you get your shiny new device.
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Laura Knotek likes this.03-13-2013 11:48 PMLike 1 - Share
- I don't care. Verizon getting a top line Lumia is good.
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03-14-2013 12:13 AMLike 2 - Share
- I don't think you even understand what the word "fragmentation" means. You're just throwing it around like the others on this forum when they don't get what they want viz. Nokia exclusive apps, hero phone, micro SD, wireless charging, games. All these objects have been the subject of fragmentation complaints.
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03-14-2013 12:59 AMLike 9 - Share
- Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't fragmentation really an issue from a software point of view?
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hopmedic likes this.03-14-2013 04:04 AMLike 1 - Share
- The thing is, there is *no* fragmentation. All phones run the same OS. This is not the case with android. Using "fragmentation" for WP is like saying fragmentation for desktop Windows. OEMs bundle exclusive apps, high-end games don't run on netbooks, some PCs have USB 3.0 and some have 2.0 etc.
For WP OEMs too, all they can differentiate is using their exclusive apps/unique hardware to entice customers to choose their products. If all windows phones looked the same, performed the same and had the same set of default apps, why would you choose one brand over the other? Since there are multiple OEMs, they all need to do something different to attract people. HTC has the slim form-factor, Nokia have their camera and (not so) exclusive apps. The onus of deciding now lies on you....which one will you choose? Your answer will depend on what you are looking for in a phone. All of them provide the same OS and have, for the most part, the same experience. It all depends on the last mile. My choice may not be the same as your choice.
The ONLY "fragmentation" I can see is WP 7.x vs. WP 8.x.03-14-2013 05:55 AMLike 0 - As I understand it, the fragmentation of android is that it has too many different resolutions and os versions on different phones. Which means when a developer writes a software he has to write it such that the software works on all devices, which is very difficult. Bring in the fact that in each resolutions there are devices with different os versions, that increases the number of unique devices for the developer to address. As for WP however there are only 4 different resolutions and two different os versions, totalling to 8 unique combinations. However incase of android the combinations are very high to address. Hence any single app cannot address all the unique combinations, that's uncontrolled fragmentation. However iOS developers have to address only one single resolution all along and now two resolutions only, hence developers love working for iOS. However that left iOS with limited choices in phone sizes. So WP is some where inbetween iOS and Android with a balance between choices and easy development. So WP is not fragmented and will never fragmented if the new 18 month update support promise of microsoft is followed. That's my 2 cents...:-)03-14-2013 06:50 AMLike 0
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- People keep throwing around the "6 month exclusivity deal with AT&T and Nokia" like it's a fact. It was only speculation, at best.
Plus while most were 2nd gen WP7 and WP8, us poor Verizon slobs had to make do with nothing but a 1st gen Trophy.
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03-14-2013 09:23 AMLike 3 - Share
- As I understand it, the fragmentation of android is that it has too many different resolutions and os versions on different phones. Which means when a developer writes a software he has to write it such that the software works on all devices, which is very difficult. Bring in the fact that in each resolutions there are devices with different os versions, that increases the number of unique devices for the developer to address. As for WP however there are only 4 different resolutions and two different os versions, totalling to 8 unique combinations. However incase of android the combinations are very high to address. Hence any single app cannot address all the unique combinations, that's uncontrolled fragmentation. However iOS developers have to address only one single resolution all along and now two resolutions only, hence developers love working for iOS. However that left iOS with limited choices in phone sizes. So WP is some where inbetween iOS and Android with a balance between choices and easy development. So WP is not fragmented and will never fragmented if the new 18 month update support promise of microsoft is followed. That's my 2 cents...:-)
As for developing, a developer does not *have* to develop covering all three resolutions. If he only writes for one, the app will work. It may not look the same, but it will work. The easiest way, in my opinion (and the way I'm doing it), is instead of laying out the screen by pixels is to do it by ratio. My apps will look the same on all three screens, and all I had to do to cover them all equally was to check a couple of checkboxes. Otherwise, I believe you'll get the black bands at top and bottom of the screen. Now I'm referring to the xaml apps, or apps that are laid out using xaml, which most of your non-game apps are going to be, at least for now (there are a couple different ways to develop for the phone). I've only used this method of developing for the phone, so I can't speak for the others. I'm also not speaking for games, as I've never developed one. Basically, though, the phone will adapt if the developer didn't.
As for the fragmentation between WP7 and WP8, yes, there is fragmentation in that respect, because anytime you add capabilities to something, the old equipment won't run the apps that use those capabilites. WP8 will run *most* WP7 apps without any problems, but making apps for WP8 that will run on WP7 is more of a challenge.- Share
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theomodsim and kishorekumar_a like this.03-14-2013 10:41 AMLike 2 - Share
- i'm sorry you read my comment and saw jealousy in it. that is far from the truth. what i was talking about is the point of view from a marketing/supply chain of view it doesn't make sense. this is more magnified by the fact that nokia is doing horrible in terms of sales.03-14-2013 01:02 PMLike 0
- I don't think you even understand what the word "fragmentation" means. You're just throwing it around like the others on this forum when they don't get what they want viz. Nokia exclusive apps, hero phone, micro SD, wireless charging, games. All these objects have been the subject of fragmentation complaints.
breaking up of something: the process of shattering or breaking up into fragments
loss of unity and cohesion: the loss of unity and cohesion and the splitting of something into isolated and often conflicting parts
shattering of explosive device: the scattering of the shattered parts of a grenade or other explosive device
that defines the word. so now examine the second definition and you'll understand what i mean. "loss of unity and cohesion", which is something nokia badly needs. it's not logical to advertise a million products and spend specific time and R&D into each carrier. as i said before, apple, samsung and htc (not to mention almost all other phone manufacturers) produce a product and launch it on different networks with no to very slight changes (mostly the radio antenna to work on those specific bands).03-14-2013 01:06 PMLike 0 -
breaking up of something: the process of shattering or breaking up into fragments
loss of unity and cohesion: the loss of unity and cohesion and the splitting of something into isolated and often conflicting parts
shattering of explosive device: the scattering of the shattered parts of a grenade or other explosive device
not necessarily. it depends which context it's used it. the fragmentation i mean is in terms of resources (time, money, man power etc) that nokia is deploying to each carrier.03-14-2013 01:07 PMLike 0 - The thing is, there is *no* fragmentation. All phones run the same OS. This is not the case with android. Using "fragmentation" for WP is like saying fragmentation for desktop Windows. OEMs bundle exclusive apps, high-end games don't run on netbooks, some PCs have USB 3.0 and some have 2.0 etc.
For WP OEMs too, all they can differentiate is using their exclusive apps/unique hardware to entice customers to choose their products. If all windows phones looked the same, performed the same and had the same set of default apps, why would you choose one brand over the other? Since there are multiple OEMs, they all need to do something different to attract people. HTC has the slim form-factor, Nokia have their camera and (not so) exclusive apps. The onus of deciding now lies on you....which one will you choose? Your answer will depend on what you are looking for in a phone. All of them provide the same OS and have, for the most part, the same experience. It all depends on the last mile. My choice may not be the same as your choice.
The ONLY "fragmentation" I can see is WP 7.x vs. WP 8.x.03-14-2013 01:09 PMLike 0 - i'm sorry you read my comment and saw jealousy in it. that is far from the truth. what i was talking about is the point of view from a marketing/supply chain of view it doesn't make sense. this is more magnified by the fact that nokia is doing horrible in terms of sales.
Where do you get the idea of Nokia doing 'horrible' for sales? They have sold out of just about every device they have launched, recently. With the 720 and 520 coming out and the 928 hitting Verizon, you'll start to see some major turnaround numbers. There are currently MORE Lumia 822s sold than there are AT&T 920s.
Plus all of the awards and notice that Nokia/WP8 a starting to garner, Nokia will start meeting and exceeding sales targets this year.- Share
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despertador likes this.03-14-2013 01:33 PMLike 1 - Share
- doesn't ATT and nokia have an exclusivity? i mean i get the 928 is not going to be the same as the 920 but i mean that most bother ATT. like that's just a back stab. the word exclusive means that they're going to be sole partner for that time. if this phone comes out before june (when the ATT exclusivity runs out) then i honestly will be bothered for 2 reasons. 1) that's a low blow to ATT to change it up a bit and call it different so the word 'exclusive' doesn't matter. the second reason (which is the most important reason) is what the heck is nokia doing? if they keep to different versions of their top of the line then what's the refresh cycle going to look like? different on each carrier? that just sounds dumb from the point of lack of unity in the release structure. so in september what happens? ATT gets the updated version of the 920? why fragment the top of the line? just my thoughts. i really hope this won't come out until the refresh of the 920 comes out.
Sorry I am little mad, i just want to use my 920 on Tmobile but nooooooooooooooooooo AT$T wants exclusivity rights!! F them I am not going to pay double for the same crap service. This is me complaining about my "wallet raping"!! With out any lube...they tore the plastic on my Drivers license holder. It ain't rape if you like it...just sayin'!03-14-2013 01:56 PMLike 0 - Nokia has done very well for several decades by offering a device for every price point. I don't think they will suffer by having too many choices. Nokia still has more cellphones in the wild than any other manufacturer. And with smart phones expected to outsell feature phones for the first time, this year, I think it positions them well for a full recover.
Where do you get the idea of Nokia doing 'horrible' for sales? They have sold out of just about every device they have launched, recently. With the 720 and 520 coming out and the 928 hitting Verizon, you'll start to see some major turnaround numbers. There are currently MORE Lumia 822s sold than there are AT&T 920s.
Plus all of the awards and notice that Nokia/WP8 a starting to garner, Nokia will start meeting and exceeding sales targets this year.03-14-2013 02:17 PMLike 0
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