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  1. hopmedic's Avatar
    I constantly see people claiming android has viruses but I have yet to see an android device with a virus besides articles posted on the verge or phonearena. I'm not saying it's impossible but it's not like the damn things ship with viruses.
    Android accounts for most mobile malware, says F-Secure | ZDNet
    Last year, 79% of all mobile malware was on Android devices. In the last quarter of last year, that number rose to 96%. The talks of malware on Android is not inflated.

    Yes it is adware. For the most part, adware, spyware and other malware tend to get lumped under the name virus. Virus is a general term for any program that does something malicious or just does something that it is not intended to do.
    Myself, I (albeit incorrectly) lump all the malware (virus, trojan, adware, spyware, etc) together when I say "virus" in mixed company.


    This is a bit "geeky" but I thought I will share..

    So if the 928 has a Xenon flash, that means that they have to use a mechanical shutter, instead of an electronic one. I remember reading something on the difference between the two a while back, and I found the following:

    Why Digital Cameras Have Mechanical Shutters

    "A simple mechanical shutter can be used to turn the entire sensor array on/off during the exposure. This eliminates the need for added electronics at each pixel location that would be used to turn on/off the pixel and store the charge (accumulated light). By using a mechanical shutter, a simpler, less expensive, and more efficient sensor can be used: one that has a higher fill factor (uses more of each pixel to actually capture light). "

    So by using a mechanical shutter instead of an electronic one, you actually get to use the full size of the pixels... and at 1.4 microns, that might make a slight difference in image quality between the 920 and the 928,. i.e better than the 920.

    That's all a theory, and assuming that they are indeed using a mechanical shutter, and a sensor that can fully take advantage of it. Nokia have a long history of using mechanical shutter.. every one of their phones with a xenon flash has one, so I don't see why stop now. Also.. I don't think you could have a xenon flash without one...or at least not if you want to do it right.

    Some other interesting points on xenon / led

    The “Light Power” (which determines how bright it appears) of the Xenon flash is much greater than of it in the LED flash. But though this is the fact, it fools us. What is important and plays a crucial role in mobile phone cameras is something else. It is the “Light Energy” which determines the total amount of light it receives while it is capturing data. In the case of LED this is much greater than it is with the Xenon.

    The Xenon flash requires a bulky storage capacitor, but in the case of LED, the supercapacitor used is very thin, usually 2mm. Space is a significant factor that is considered in mobile device design.

    The Xenon Flash tube is fragile and susceptible to fracture during drops, where LED has no such issues. Better be careful with your N82 and think twice before you hold it loosely.

    The Xenon flash works by discharging an electrolytic capacitor pre-charged to 330v, across a Xenon gas filled tube resulting a intensely bright light. This leads us to two issues. There is a safety problem to fit the highly charged capacitor without triggering other circuits. This also requires much energy than the LED, so the 2nd one is absolutely going to be a matter of battery power in mobile phones.

    The Xenon flash requires a mechanical shutter resulting extra cost, power, and space where the LED can be used with a rolling shutter.

    Video capturing requires a separate LED flash for Xenon flash devices.

    The recharging of electrolytic capacitor in Xenon flash takes more time than the supercapacitor in LED flash, in between photos.

    The electrolytic capacitors charge can be only used for flashing process but the supercapacitors charge used in LED flash can be used for other requirements too, like flash pulse, RF Transmission for GPRS, uudio and HDD for storing audio and video. This would have been big hardware issue for sure.
    Why Is Xenon Flash Missing on Nokia N97?
    Unless they came up with a new, power-efficient way of doing it! Who knows?
    05-01-2013 10:08 PM
  2. Ruined's Avatar
    F-Secure is a reliable source, too.

    Problem with android is it has similar risks to "desktop" windows but doesn't give you the protection nor full control and access to see whats going on that windows desktop gives you (unless you hack it), thus the user is much more vulnerable.
    05-01-2013 10:44 PM
  3. Scorpio5x0's Avatar
    This article just went online about an hour ago regarding Lumia phones and the 928.

    Nokia Lumia 928 to Launch with 41-MP Lyto Camera, Instagram, Temple Run 2 & Jetpack Joyride? - International Business Times

    "The much-awaited, Verizon-exclusive Nokia Windows 8 phone Lumia 928 seems to be gearing for app accompaniments and a Lytro camera feature in time for the device's release."

    "Digital Trends reports that Nokia may be readying to release major boosts in the camera feature for its Lumia flagship phones. One of these major changes involves the integration of a 41-megapixel camera into the Lumia phones"

    I could see this 41 megapixel feature being part of the May 14th announcement in London for next gen phones. But not sure if this would really be a feature on the 928 as the article seems to indicate. I checked the Digital Trends website, as this is mentioned as the source for the above article, but did not find the article mentioning this.
    05-01-2013 11:37 PM
  4. moh maya's Avatar
    This article just went online about an hour ago regarding Lumia phones and the 928.

    Nokia Lumia 928 to Launch with 41-MP Lyto Camera, Instagram, Temple Run 2 & Jetpack Joyride? - International Business Times

    "The much-awaited, Verizon-exclusive Nokia Windows 8 phone Lumia 928 seems to be gearing for app accompaniments and a Lytro camera feature in time for the device's release."

    "Digital Trends reports that Nokia may be readying to release major boosts in the camera feature for its Lumia flagship phones. One of these major changes involves the integration of a 41-megapixel camera into the Lumia phones"
    .....
    .
    Unlikely; Verge reported that Nokia has just taken a stake Pelican Imaging, which is trying to get Lytro style cameras to smart phones - which, to me, suggests we'll see something like Lytro in about a year or two at the earliest. It sounds like someone at International Business Times read too much into this report.

    Ofcourse, it is possible that Nokia worked with Pelican on the 928, was very impressed with them and decided to get a stake, since their site says they created their first array camera for phones in 2011, but this seems less likely. I hope I am wrong! :)

    Nokia reportedly investing in Lytro-style array camera startup | The Verge
    05-02-2013 06:15 AM
  5. DavidinCT's Avatar
    So, is today the day ?
    05-02-2013 07:20 AM
  6. jleebiker's Avatar
    Not seeing anything new on their website. :-/
    05-02-2013 08:04 AM
  7. Scorpio5x0's Avatar
    Still early, but I don't think it will be.
    05-02-2013 08:14 AM
  8. jhnybgood47's Avatar
    If the AT&T-Nokia deal ends the 9th then the phone will not be announced until the 9th.
    05-02-2013 08:22 AM
  9. DavidinCT's Avatar
    If the AT&T-Nokia deal ends the 9th then the phone will not be announced until the 9th.
    but, how soon before did AT&T annouce the 920 ? It was like a month before. As far as I know, you can annouce anything but, as long as it's not for sale in that window....

    Oh, well, I dont even know if I am going to get this phone now anyway but, still interested in seeing the final released specs on it..
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    05-02-2013 09:20 AM
  10. waym1962's Avatar
    I know this is unrelated but I was wondering if Honestabe is still hearing anything about a Cyan 822. My fiancee wants an 822 when I get the 928 but she would prefer to not get a black or white phone. Just didn't know whether that was still on the table. Especially considering we've only seen black and white 928s which makes me sad cause I don't want a black or white phone either.
    05-02-2013 09:22 AM
  11. MobileVortex's Avatar
    I know this is unrelated but I was wondering if Honestabe is still hearing anything about a Cyan 822. My fiancee wants an 822 when I get the 928 but she would prefer to not get a black or white phone. Just didn't know whether that was still on the table. Especially considering we've only seen black and white 928s which makes me sad cause I don't want a black or white phone either.
    I believe he said that it was going to be a mothers day promotion. Which is probably around the time the 928 is coming out. My girlfriend is looking @ the same color either in the 822 or 928.
    05-02-2013 09:27 AM
  12. Rick2340's Avatar
    I believe he said that it was going to be a mothers day promotion. Which is probably around the time the 928 is coming out. My girlfriend is looking @ the same color either in the 822 or 928.
    They better start promoting - Mother's Day is in ten days.
    05-02-2013 10:00 AM
  13. Scorpio5x0's Avatar
    I know this is unrelated but I was wondering if Honestabe is still hearing anything about a Cyan 822. My fiancee wants an 822 when I get the 928 but she would prefer to not get a black or white phone. Just didn't know whether that was still on the table. Especially considering we've only seen black and white 928s which makes me sad cause I don't want a black or white phone either.
    In one of the early leaks of the 928 showing up in Verizon's system, it showed 4 different available colors. Black, white, red, and cyan if I remember correctly.
    05-02-2013 11:08 AM
  14. hopmedic's Avatar
    Hmmm..... Mothers' Day promotion..... May 9 is 3 days before that.... Not much time for promo, but possible.... :-/
    05-02-2013 12:05 PM
  15. tvolpe86's Avatar
    If the AT&T-Nokia deal ends the 9th then the phone will not be announced until the 9th.
    but AT&T has no deal of exclusivity on the 928. on the 920, sure.
    05-02-2013 12:13 PM
  16. Booston's Avatar
    but AT&T has no deal of exclusivity on the 928. on the 920, sure.
    Why risk it and it isn't completely different.
    05-02-2013 12:51 PM
  17. waym1962's Avatar
    Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't AT&T have exclusivity to the 820 as well and we had the 810 and the 822 at almost if not exactly the same time. There's about as much difference between those devices and what we know about the 928. Different bodies maybe some memory differences and removable casings. The guts are very similar. So why is it that similar guts would hold back the 928.
    05-02-2013 01:10 PM
  18. Rick2340's Avatar
    Why risk it and it isn't completely different.
    At this point it doesn't matter, it's going to be six months since the 920 was launched.
    05-02-2013 01:10 PM
  19. hopmedic's Avatar
    Why risk it and it isn't completely different.
    But how different does it have to be in order to not violate the terms and conditions of the contract? None of us knows....

    Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't AT&T have exclusivity to the 820 as well and we had the 810 and the 822 at almost if not exactly the same time. There's about as much difference between those devices and what we know about the 928. Different bodies maybe some memory differences and removable casings. The guts are very similar. So why is it that similar guts would hold back the 928.
    Actually, ATT did not have exclusivity. Initially the tech press reported it so, but that turned out not to be true.
    05-02-2013 02:31 PM
  20. stwall's Avatar
    It will be weird when this finally releases. I won't be able to kill so much time trawling the boards and the Internet for release information.
    05-02-2013 04:07 PM
  21. Beast of Haeven's Avatar
    It will be weird when this finally releases. I won't be able to kill so much time trawling the boards and the Internet for release information.
    I feel you budd!
    05-02-2013 04:28 PM
  22. jleebiker's Avatar
    It will be weird when this finally releases. I won't be able to kill so much time trawling the boards and the Internet for release information.
    Don't worry, people will debate the quality of the pics it takes and for all the wait they could be better pics. ;-) :-P
    05-02-2013 06:17 PM
  23. jgbstetson's Avatar
    Evleaks is reporting a $25 windows phone store credit with 928 purchase.
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    05-02-2013 06:22 PM
  24. jhnybgood47's Avatar
    Evleaks is reporting a $25 windows phone store credit with 928 purchase.
    They are also reporting the 928 will be released May 14th.
    05-02-2013 06:50 PM
  25. BuffOrange's Avatar
    Honestly it is kind of ironic though that you talk about bloatware and then buy an Android, whose phones traditionally have 10x the bloatware of Windows Phones, as well as tons of viruses and spyware.

    That is not to denigrate your preference, just a bit of irony in the wording of it.
    I guess it's ironic in the same way it's ironic that there are lots of Packers fans in Wisconsin.
    Maybe google (or more appropriately 'bing') 'Nexus 4 bloatware'.
    05-02-2013 06:58 PM
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