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  1. antsin3d's Avatar
    Hey guys, have anything to say to this fellow, who says the 928 isn't worth the purchase due to a lousy xenon flash? Feel free to comment on their article:
    Nokia Lumia 928 Review: Xenon Flash Is Not Worth the Purchase
    05-20-2013 05:31 PM
  2. KoukiFC3S's Avatar
    Hey guys, have anything to say to this fellow, who says the 928 isn't worth the purchase due to a lousy xenon flash? Feel free to comment on their article:
    Nokia Lumia 928 Review: Xenon Flash Is Not Worth the Purchase
    I would take those results with a gain of salt. The WMPoweruser comments said it best: he probably had his finger covering the flash.

    I am planning on trying it out myself tonight.
    Laura Knotek likes this.
    05-20-2013 05:49 PM
  3. baaahthesheep's Avatar
    I haven't taken many pictures with flash, but from the few photos I've taken the flash photos are brighter, picture quality is sharper. The only con compared to not using flash is that you get sharp glints from reflective objects, like glasses. I think there is something wrong with his review, like most.

    Edit: flash photos do have a yellowish tint, but I was using automatic mode. It's just a matter of fixing the white balance, which I'm surprised the reviewer doesn't appear to know...
    05-20-2013 07:31 PM
  4. KoukiFC3S's Avatar
    Just noticed my flash doesn't go off even tho I've turned it on during the day. Was hoping to use that to motion freeze my subject like in the 808 commercial.
    05-20-2013 07:46 PM
  5. berty6294's Avatar
    I did a study of my own. This room is almost pitch black, small light in a room on other side of the house.

    All shots with built in camera app.

    All auto, no flash, no focus assist light
    wp_20130520_013.jpg

    All auto, no flash, focus assist light on
    wp_20130520_012.jpg

    Exposure 2, no flash, focus assist light on
    wp_20130520_011.jpg

    Exposure 2, xenon flash on, focus assist light on
    wp_20130520_009.jpg


    you be the judge.
    05-20-2013 07:56 PM
  6. Brandon Riesenbeck's Avatar
    05-21-2013 02:35 AM
  7. Vallos's Avatar
    Exposure 2, xenon flash on, focus assist light on
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    Pardon my ignorance, but is there something that needs to be pressed to activate the xenon, or does it just "knows" to go on if the flash is set to on?
    05-21-2013 07:50 AM
  8. pankaj981's Avatar
    Pardon my ignorance, but is there something that needs to be pressed to activate the xenon, or does it just "knows" to go on if the flash is set to on?
    There is a flash on/off/auto toggle on the camera options
    05-21-2013 07:58 AM
  9. JudgeHolden's Avatar
    I did a study of my own. This room is almost pitch black, small light in a room on other side of the house.

    Exposure 2, xenon flash on, focus assist light on
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    you be the judge.
    Yup, everyone is mocking that guy for his poor review of the Xenon flash, in part for good reason give that the flash is covered by his finger in one picture, but I think this proves that the Xenon shots are currently much more yellow-tinged than the other shots.

    Without seeing your room I don't know which is more accurate, but the Xenon shots mine takes seem too yellow to me. Which is fine, really, as I hardly use it (but I do), it's correctable in Photoshop, and I'd expect Nokia to roll around a correction within a month or two.
    05-21-2013 08:37 AM
  10. antsin3d's Avatar
    Although not universally true, I believe xenon flashes tend to be toward the bluish end of the spectrum. If the phone is white balancing that by adding yellow to the image, then you'll see a yellow/orange color shift as you get past where the flash is affecting the image as much. Perhaps the flash isn't quite bright enough when shooting from more than some number of feet from the subject, causing the image to look yellow. That would explain why it looks good on the closer flash shots we've seen. If the flash has the power to handle it, that would mean Nokia just needs to adjust its output in the software. If it's not strong enough, that's a little bit of an issue, since a xenon flash needs to work more than 3 feet away.
    05-21-2013 10:12 AM
  11. JamesForKing's Avatar
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    Here's another low light just for more comparison. Actually, it was no light. It was pitch black. So I'm pretty happy with it. And I just snapped it as I was walking in the door, didn't try too hard.

    Also, I went to my pap's the other day to get hay for the horses and snapped some pics. Thought I'd share. There's a few at the end beginning that are around home. They're all daylight, only used flash for one two pics, one because I had it on by accident. Threw the food one in for the hell of it, who doesn't take those? https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resi...JCxGfW_Zy99Tik
    05-21-2013 03:47 PM
  12. lisainsf's Avatar
    still testing the camera. ProShot app is nice because it shows you blown highlights, in bright light the camera tends to over expose so dialing down the exposure compensation helps with light colored objects

    05-21-2013 04:05 PM
  13. lisainsf's Avatar
    indoors I have noted the following white balance ones, you should perhaps perform the same tests on your cameras to know how your cameras perform. This was no flash indoors, window light only, not a particularly bright room but not dark either. Actual wall color is somewhere between auto and daylight, picture color is closer to auto





    05-21-2013 04:56 PM
  14. kdittha's Avatar
    I find that setting white balance to daylight when using the xenon flash reduces the yellow seen in some pictures, and the colors look much more natural.
    KoukiFC3S likes this.
    05-21-2013 06:04 PM
  15. egret85's Avatar
    I am having an issue with picture coming out with a haze look to them. This mostly happens with night shots that have lights in them like this one:
    wp_20130518_003.jpg


    However, I have also seen a similar issue on day shots with lighter colored objects like this one:

    wp_20130519_001.jpg


    Both were taken with all auto settings, Flash Off. I had also cleaned the lens off before taking these since I thought that might be the issue. The night shot was taken beside my car with the headlights on. The daytime shot was in the middle of the day and had good room lighting coming from a window. I feel that I shouldn't have to tweak 15 different camera settings just to get a decent photo that is on par with other leading smartphone cameras in auto mode. In fact i'm having trouble getting picture that I would call better than my 2 year old HTC Trophy that I upgraded from. It's almost like the phone is going WAY overboard with image processing and screwing up the sharpness and white balance in the process.

    Any Ideas? Did I get a bad device?
    05-21-2013 09:48 PM
  16. lisainsf's Avatar
    Try flipping the camera around and watch where you fingers are. I have done this too and it is either from me somehow blocking part of the flash or to holding it correctly for the subject..at least that was my experience

    This assumes those were with flash, if not those look bad and I might exchange the phone
    05-21-2013 09:54 PM
  17. vlad0's Avatar
    Make sure there is no smudge on the camera lens.. it could potentially ruin the image.

    I use my smartphone as a main camera, so I keep one of these on my key chain.. u never know when you might need to take a proper shot.

    Amazon.com: Nikon 8072 Microfiber Cleaning Cloth: Camera & Photo



    Especially important for low light/night photography.. if you see streaks across the image from any light source.. ya.. you've been smudged! Just like the first image egret85 posted..

    But, the "sound recordings" are said to be MONO and NOT stereo?
    The best way to verify is to look into the properties of a video file.. it should say if the audio stream is mono, or stereo. You could also see the bitrate..

    Someone here already confirmed that its mono, unfortunately.
    jmajid likes this.
    05-21-2013 10:16 PM
  18. egret85's Avatar
    Try flipping the camera around and watch where you fingers are. I have done this too and it is either from me somehow blocking part of the flash or to holding it correctly for the subject..at least that was my experience

    This assumes those were with flash, if not those look bad and I might exchange the phone
    Both were without Flash.

    Make sure there is no smudge on the camera lens.. it could potentially ruin the image.

    I use my smartphone as a main camera, so I keep one of these on my key chain.. u never know when you might need to take a proper shot.

    Amazon.com: Nikon 8072 Microfiber Cleaning Cloth: Camera & Photo

    http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/image...e440a010.L.jpg

    Especially important for low light/night photography.. if you see streaks across the image from any light source.. ya.. you've been smudged! Just like the first image egret85 posted..
    I did clean the lens right before taking both of these. I had seen that same thing posted in another thread when I was looking to see if other were having similar issues based on photos before these two.
    05-21-2013 10:26 PM
  19. vlad0's Avatar
    ^ yes, you might have a defective unit.. I was just suggesting/saying that in general its a good idea to keep it clean. Also, sometimes you shirt, or any cotton fabric won't clean it.. that's why I mentioned the micro fiber thingy.

    I think you should replace your unit, if you can..

    Hey guys, have anything to say to this fellow, who says the 928 isn't worth the purchase due to a lousy xenon flash? Feel free to comment on their article:
    Nokia Lumia 928 Review: Xenon Flash Is Not Worth the Purchase
    Right.. he obviously doesn't get it.

    The xenon flash shines in any low light scenes where you have movement, situations where you have to take a spontaneous shot, like.. at the dance floor, at a birthday party.. you know.. normal life situation where an LED flash is absolutely useless.

    Like I mentioned earlier, once you get used to a xenon flash, any other phone camera will feel like a massive downgrade. Its soo much better..

    The 928 scores lots of points just for that.
    05-21-2013 10:29 PM
  20. antsin3d's Avatar
    Any Ideas? Did I get a bad device?
    If the lens isn't smudged you most likely have a defective device. Looks like the lens assembly is faulty or one of the lenses isn't polished correctly
    05-22-2013 09:12 AM
  21. WhyFiNYC's Avatar
    Haven't taken a ton of pics with it just yet, but I'm pretty happy (coming from a FF SLR user). Here's one that shows a pretty impressive minimum focusing distance (for frame of reference, the flower is probably about 2" wide) -



    No flash, default camera, full auto, no post-processing.
    05-22-2013 12:08 PM
  22. WhyFiNYC's Avatar
    Hey guys, have anything to say to this fellow, who says the 928 isn't worth the purchase due to a lousy xenon flash? Feel free to comment on their article:
    Nokia Lumia 928 Review: Xenon Flash Is Not Worth the Purchase
    That's hilariously bad.
    05-22-2013 12:20 PM
  23. lisainsf's Avatar
    Haven't taken a ton of pics with it just yet, but I'm pretty happy (coming from a FF SLR user). Here's one that shows a pretty impressive minimum focusing distance (for frame of reference, the flower is probably about 2" wide) -

    No flash, default camera, full auto, no post-processing.


    Stunning shot!
    05-22-2013 12:57 PM
  24. nunyazz's Avatar
    Haven't taken a ton of pics with it just yet, but I'm pretty happy (coming from a FF SLR user). Here's one that shows a pretty impressive minimum focusing distance (for frame of reference, the flower is probably about 2" wide) -
    No flash, default camera, full auto, no post-processing.
    Why did you strip all the metadata?
    05-22-2013 12:57 PM
  25. WhyFiNYC's Avatar
    Why did you strip all the metadata?
    I didn't - it was uploaded directly to facebook; they probably don't retain it/let you access it. For the life of me, I can't get the flickr app to work and I haven't looked in to 3rd party flickr apps, yet.
    05-22-2013 01:04 PM
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