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  1. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Well I think one has to consider the possibility that neither Nokia or Verizon are lying. Nokia has simply said the phone does not have the hardware to support FM. A connector from chip to headphone IS hardware. That being the case, it might be splitting hairs but the reality is no one is "lying" if in fact that one critical part was not included in the phone's hardware.
    I honestly think they are only saying that because verizon said not to enable the feature. AKA a excuse

    Remember Nokia talks to Verizon before making/designing a phone, I'm sure it went down something like this...

    Nokia: What type of phone do you want ?
    Verizon: a phone a like the 920
    Nokia: What type of features do you want on it we can offer this list of features <list of features that the 920 offers or upgrades from it>
    Verizon round table: If we enable the FM radio, we will have to add headphones to the box at a extra cost and posable extra support call costs
    Verizon to Nokia: Disable the FM radio and make it sound like the hardware is not there to do it
    Nokia: Ok...

    I think the Lack of hardware is just an excuse, the hardware is there in the phone and a missing cable ? Really ? If this phone was to be a upgrade from the 920, Why is this so called cable not even there ?
    08-28-2013 02:02 PM
  2. spyderzWPC's Avatar
    This is the reason I left Verizon, I dealt with this same issue once they released wp7.5
    Verizon said they the htc did have the hardware for wifi tethering
    called htc, they said ms told them not to put it there

    Verizon said they couldn't turn on visual voicemail because of htc
    htc said visual voicemail is supported on wp7.5, Verizon needs to write the app....

    on att now was happy with my 900 now I am happy with my 920
    08-28-2013 02:14 PM
  3. ddartman7's Avatar
    I honestly think they are only saying that because verizon said not to enable the feature. AKA a excuse

    Remember Nokia talks to Verizon before making/designing a phone, I'm sure it went down something like this...

    Nokia: What type of phone do you want ?
    Verizon: a phone a like the 920
    Nokia: What type of features do you want on it we can offer this list of features <list of features that the 920 offers or upgrades from it>
    Verizon round table: If we enable the FM radio, we will have to add headphones to the box at a extra cost and posable extra support call costs
    Verizon to Nokia: Disable the FM radio and make it sound like the hardware is not there to do it
    Nokia: Ok...

    I think the Lack of hardware is just an excuse, the hardware is there in the phone and a missing cable ? Really ? If this phone was to be a upgrade from the 920, Why is this so called cable not even there ?
    Well I am as disappointed as anyone about this but I gotta say that what you suggest makes for great conspiracy theory but it just doesn't add up. Consider that with the 822 there were no headphones in the box either, but it has FM Radio. As for extra support call costs... really? Again if that were the case, then you wouldn't see FM on any phone from VZW. Is it possible that VZW requested that Nokia NOT include the hardware connection for FM? Well certainly that is possible though unlikely. Let's face it, we're never going to get a straight answer but I personally lean toward Nokia being the culprit here, and frankly someone should be fired for making such a stupid design decision.
    DavidinCT likes this.
    08-28-2013 02:45 PM
  4. hopmedic's Avatar
    I could be wrong, but to me the headphone argument just doesn't make sense. The 822 didn't come with headphones and it has FM radio now. And it makes even less sense given that the feature didn't work at launch, so they wouldn't (or shouldn't, if they did) have advertised it. Then on top of that, even if they did advertise it, and it was functional at launch, all you have to do is put a good ole disclaimer on the box.
    * In order to use the FM receiver, additional wired headphones are required, as the FM radio uses the headphone cable as an antenna.
    In tiny print, of course.
    Trevor Halsey likes this.
    08-29-2013 12:59 PM
  5. Trevor Halsey's Avatar
    Well, I found the disassembly pictures via the FCC. Everything looks in place.....afaik......
    FCC Listings for QMNRM-860
    Internal Photos
    08-29-2013 01:24 PM
  6. pechio's Avatar
    Well, I found the disassembly pictures via the FCC. Everything looks in place.....afaik......
    FCC Listings for QMNRM-860
    Internal Photos
    Thank you for your excellent work. Could you be able to find the internal pictures of a 920? We could compare them & look for the "wire".😉
    08-29-2013 02:18 PM
  7. mrZoSo's Avatar
    Well, I found the disassembly pictures via the FCC. Everything looks in place.....afaik......
    FCC Listings for QMNRM-860
    Internal Photos
    When trying to view the Internal Images I'm getting this:
    You are not authorized to access this page.
    08-29-2013 03:28 PM
  8. ddartman7's Avatar
    Thank you for your excellent work. Could you be able to find the internal pictures of a 920? We could compare them & look for the "wire".
    What is really needed is a schematic diagram of each. Good luck.
    08-29-2013 03:40 PM
  9. mrZoSo's Avatar
    Found this, but a subscription is needed to DL it.
    Schematic Service-manual nokia 9 series 928 RM-860

    Here's the 920 schematic:
    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6Um...it?usp=sharing
    Last edited by mrZoSo; 08-29-2013 at 05:57 PM.
    08-29-2013 05:25 PM
  10. PPCFreak's Avatar
    When trying to view the Internal Images I'm getting this:
    You are not authorized to access this page.
    you have to click the first link and then the Int link on that page and it works. Thanks for the great find.
    08-30-2013 01:32 PM
  11. mrZoSo's Avatar
    Yeah, I finally got to it. Site just doesn't let you direct link. I'm going to do some more hunting later for the 928 schematics ;)
    08-30-2013 01:54 PM
  12. DavidinCT's Avatar
    What is really needed is a schematic diagram of each. Good luck.
    Exactly what I was going to say. If it was a "wire" as they say, it would be printout on the board from the chip to the headset. I guess if you could get a detaled image from both chips (on the 920 and 928) and make sure all connections are being used (mirrored connections), it would confirm that the hardware is there. Unless you can see both sides of the motherboard where the chip is, that would be impossable to see tho..
    08-30-2013 02:00 PM
  13. mrZoSo's Avatar
    Well I hunted and pecked for the 928 schematics, and the site I linked to earlier seems to be the only one to have it at this point.
    And as far as just using pictures, it would be rather hard to compare as the two devices layout out are not the same internally. Even so, they would have to be very close-up/detailed to follow traces, if all the traces are even visible. Schematics would be the fool proof way to go.
    08-30-2013 07:58 PM
  14. falconrap's Avatar
    Having just looked at the teardown video, the "wiring" consists of traces from the chip, through the PCB, to the spring contacts that appear to be surface mounted, which then make contact with the head jack module. Since all they needed was to wire the traces from the headphone lines to the correct pins on the chip...I stand by my assertion in the other thread that it would be trivial and of no production cost to include the FM. If it doesn't have it, then that is shear stupidity on the design team...or a direct command was put out to not wire it up in the layout.

    My gut says Verizon told Nokia not to enable this, for whatever stupid reason. That's my gut, so it's speculation and could be false, but I highly doubt they would leave this out on accident.
    08-30-2013 09:36 PM
  15. mrZoSo's Avatar
    Hmm, just found this little tid-bit that comes with the Verizon package for the 928.
    [CODE][HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\FMRadio\OEM]
    "NotPresent"=dword:00000001[/CODE]
    It'll be nice to see what happens when we can edit the registry and change the DWORD.
    09-02-2013 09:00 PM
  16. pechio's Avatar
    We could ask the xda-developers
    09-02-2013 09:20 PM
  17. ae86takumi's Avatar
    Many years ago, my first cell was from Verizon. Then realized all their phone were chopped of their native features so they can capitalize by using their services. I left and never looked back.
    09-02-2013 09:24 PM
  18. mrZoSo's Avatar
    We could ask the xda-developers
    That's where I found the reg entry. As of right now though, there is no way to write to the phone,,,, yet ;)

    Many years ago, my first cell was from Verizon. Then realized all their phone were chopped of their native features so they can capitalize by using their services. I left and never looked back.
    Understandable, they have a history of crippling there phones. The only reason I'm still with them is the other carriers network is terrible where I live.
    09-02-2013 09:32 PM
  19. Trevor Halsey's Avatar
    Hmm, just found this little tid-bit that comes with the Verizon package for the 928.


    Code:
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\FMRadio\OEM]
    
    
    "NotPresent"=dword:00000001

    It'll be nice to see what happens when we can edit the registry and change the DWORD.

    And who knows how long that's going to take. It will require either a permissions exploit (think like Win7, running an app without administrator access) or modifying the OEMs apps and having our modifications piggyback their rights (like HTC's Connection Setup app on WP7.)


    Both sound impossible as nothing has that level of access outside of their original intentions on any WP8 device.



    Sent from my RM-860 (Lumia 928) using the OFFICIAL Tapatalk app.
    09-02-2013 10:47 PM
  20. DavidinCT's Avatar
    And who knows how long that's going to take. It will require either a permissions exploit (think like Win7, running an app without administrator access) or modifying the OEMs apps and having our modifications piggyback their rights (like HTC's Connection Setup app on WP7.)


    Both sound impossible as nothing has that level of access outside of their original intentions on any WP8 device.

    Exactly, but, the experts are in play here, if anyone will figure it out, they will (I watch XDA and a few other underground sites almost ever day). The problem is, it could happen later today or never, No one knows :(

    I really miss my custom tile colors that I had with my rooted HTC Trophy.

    Then you still have the aspect that neededs the firmware....
    Last edited by DavidinCT; 09-03-2013 at 08:29 AM.
    09-03-2013 08:14 AM
  21. mjperry51's Avatar
    Hmm, just found this little tid-bit that comes with the Verizon package for the 928.
    [CODE][HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\FMRadio\OEM]
    "NotPresent"=dword:00000001[/CODE]
    It'll be nice to see what happens when we can edit the registry and change the DWORD.
    It occurs to me that if the phone has hardware issues regarding the FM radio (as has been reported) they would want and need to disable it in software so it doesn't show up in a menu and be non-operational. . .
    09-03-2013 08:27 AM
  22. Trevor Halsey's Avatar
    I really miss my custom tile colors that I had with my rooted HTC Trophy.
    Then you still have the aspect that neededs the firmware....
    I kinda was expecting that in GDR2, but I'm not shocked. The Windows Phone division at MS is kinda following the footsteps of Halo 2, keep dumping features until it kinda works and just do patch updates until we release a whole new game.

    What I actually miss is this Colors Start Menu and Digital Power

    Anyways sorry for the off topic portion...

    I'm half tempted to go buy that $25 subscription for the schematics, but I'm kinda broke at the moment. Anyone want to pool the money to buy the subscription?
    DavidinCT likes this.
    09-03-2013 10:48 AM
  23. pechio's Avatar
    Save your money. Its nothing wrong with the hardware. Verizon needs to enable the radio, that's all.
    09-03-2013 02:12 PM
  24. mrZoSo's Avatar
    It occurs to me that if the phone has hardware issues regarding the FM radio (as has been reported) they would want and need to disable it in software so it doesn't show up in a menu and be non-operational. . .
    True, but it could also be VZW crippling device. Changing the DWORD from 1 to 0 would be the easiest way to find out. We already know the chip is in there ;)
    Time will tell, hopefully.
    pechio likes this.
    09-03-2013 04:48 PM
  25. mjperry51's Avatar
    True, but it could also be VZW crippling device. Changing the DWORD from 1 to 0 would be the easiest way to find out. We already know the chip is in there ;)
    Time will tell, hopefully.
    I agree -- it's not just the chip. There is supposedly an antenna issue as well. . .
    09-03-2013 06:35 PM
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