02-07-2014 02:56 PM
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  1. jgraves1107's Avatar
    Exactly what is in the Lumia Black update? Is it just a bunch of apps and a firmware update for your carrier? I am running GDR3 and now that a Nokia tech pushed me some touch panel updates my 928 works perfect. Is there a benefit to black? I see apps listed, but nothing that says I really need or want it. Of course I may be missing something and that is why I ask.
    01-13-2014 06:44 AM
  2. shadow118's Avatar
    Glance screen notifications, the ability to change glance screen color in night mode. Also you need Black for apps like Nokia Beamer or Storyteller
    01-13-2014 06:53 AM
  3. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Black is the official release of GDR3 and firmware for all Nokia Lumia devices. It fixes a few issues and bugs and enables a few things. The main reason for firmware updates. I'm pretty sure you'll need to update to Black prior to getting WP8.1.

    Keep in mind the firmware updates and the GDRs we received are only about fixing bugs and small improvements. It's not a full blown update.
    01-13-2014 06:57 AM
  4. jgraves1107's Avatar
    Ok so just uncheck in preview and when Verizon sends out the update it should do it. Wonder if Verizon is going to take out the call block again. I hope not.
    01-13-2014 09:29 AM
  5. mtalinm's Avatar
    lumia-black.jpg

    This is not encouraging, though consistent with VZW wanting to make the Icon look as appealing as possible (i.e., by not updating the 928)
    01-13-2014 10:20 AM
  6. jgraves1107's Avatar
    Yeah they would wanna make me hate em. Well that's ok. Thanks to the helpful tech at Nokia for letting me know I can put updates onto the phone without having to deal with the carrier. He says the firmware usually had everything that gdr3 has, but Verizon may strip things. He says I should just keep the preview until I know for sure they didn't take out call blocking. If I understand him correctly Lumia black really is just all the updates to Nokia apps. Hr says those will update separate the OS. He says the radio may get an update, but unless I really need those features gdr3 is fine like it is. After they pushed the updates for the touch panel my phone had been perfect. I was looking for the special stuff that Lumia black was suppose to have that I may want. So far it looks like there is nothing special for the 928.
    01-13-2014 11:01 AM
  7. hopmedic's Avatar
    Black is the official release of GDR3 and firmware for all Nokia Lumia devices. It fixes a few issues and bugs and enables a few things. The main reason for firmware updates. I'm pretty sure you'll need to update to Black prior to getting WP8.1.

    Keep in mind the firmware updates and the GDRs we received are only about fixing bugs and small improvements. It's not a full blown update.
    This isn't correct. GDR3 is Microsoft's update to the OS. Black is Nokia's update, which can include (but I don't know what all it includes) software, firmware, and changes to the OS that Nokia is permitted by Microsoft to make. Black and GDR3 are two separate updates, created by two separate companies, that happen to be delivered together (for those who have not already installed GDR3 using the developer preview program). For those who have not already installed GDR3, once installed they will find that the OS build number will be the same as the OS build number that those of us already running GDR3 have. Assuming Microsoft doesn't push another update between now and then, the OS build for 928 will be (and already is for some of us) 8.0.10521.155. This is the same build number that many of the updated phones have received through carriers (though MS did put out two different builds, depending on which phone it is on).

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    This is not encouraging, though consistent with VZW wanting to make the Icon look as appealing as possible (i.e., by not updating the 928)
    Don't be discouraged...
    Availability in North America - Nokia
    Lumia 928 Verizon 3045.0000.1328.2046 Available Waiting for approval
    01-13-2014 11:19 AM
  8. Cryio's Avatar
    Lumia Black also brings better algorithms for photo capturing. Less noise, more natural sharpness, better color, better low-light shots.
    01-13-2014 11:35 AM
  9. mjperry51's Avatar
    This isn't correct. GDR3 is Microsoft's update to the OS. Black is Nokia's update, which can include (but I don't know what all it includes) software, firmware, and changes to the OS that Nokia is permitted by Microsoft to make. Black and GDR3 are two separate updates, created by two separate companies, that happen to be delivered together (for those who have not already installed GDR3 using the developer preview program). For those who have not already installed GDR3, once installed they will find that the OS build number will be the same as the OS build number that those of us already running GDR3 have. Assuming Microsoft doesn't push another update between now and then, the OS build for 928 will be (and already is for some of us) 8.0.10521.155. This is the same build number that many of the updated phones have received through carriers (though MS did put out two different builds, depending on which phone it is on).


    Don't be discouraged...
    Availability in North America - Nokia
    As I recall Verizon was pretty fast out of the gate with GDR2. . .
    01-13-2014 11:59 AM
  10. jgraves1107's Avatar
    Ok the 928 takes pictures at night in an unlit truck cab that are perfect. What needs fixed? I mean I can't even get that out of dslr.
    01-13-2014 12:27 PM
  11. psiu_glen's Avatar
    jgraves, did you get the Black update for your 928 somehow? Hooooooooooow?
    01-14-2014 11:12 AM
  12. nwildcat's Avatar
    I wouldn't worry so much about any delay in getting the Lumia Black update. The first update they sent out for the 822 (before the 928 was available), that was delivered later than others got the update but it was one that worked really well, not a lot of problems posted on the forums. The last update, GDR2 and Amber, it was one of the first ones to deliver the updates and there were a ton, I mean a ton, of posts for phones being bricked for the 822 and somewhat on the 928 (it wasn't as big of a problem for the 928 because many bought it already updated). So, if Verizon takes a bit longer to deliver it, I'm not worried about that and neither should you. I'm taking that to mean they are making sure that the update process is a smooth one, fixing what makes some take the update well and others fail. Trust me when I say, it's no fun watching gears spin on your phone for hours and hours and trying every trick imaginable to get it back to working with no luck.
    01-14-2014 01:16 PM
  13. fredd's Avatar
    I know you can more or less force the update 3 which I did last year but is there anyway to force the Lumia Black Update or do I just have to be patient.
    01-14-2014 04:04 PM
  14. jleebiker's Avatar
    Be patient.
    01-14-2014 04:50 PM
  15. hopmedic's Avatar
    Yup.
    01-14-2014 09:15 PM
  16. xrs22's Avatar
    Get the Update Central app and it'll tell what it consists of and all the ones that have passed and ones for future updates. If you get the Hardware Test app, it'll tell you in more detail of what the updates consists of hardware and firmware wise and what it effects.
    01-14-2014 11:28 PM
  17. jgraves1107's Avatar
    No I did not get the update, but what Nokia tech told me was gdr3 and apps make up Lumia black.
    01-15-2014 12:58 PM
  18. hopmedic's Avatar
    No I did not get the update, but what Nokia tech told me was gdr3 and apps make up Lumia black.
    He told you wrong. GDR3 is not a part of Black. GDR3 is an update to the OS from Microsoft. Black is an update from Nokia, and can contain (but may not contain all of) firmware, software, and OS changes allowed by Microsoft.
    01-15-2014 01:02 PM
  19. jgraves1107's Avatar
    Yes I know that. He was saying all the app updates for Nokia are happening if you are on gdr3. He was saying that the only thing that could change is that I lose call and SMS block if Verizon has it pulled. He was also saying that the Nokia camera app will update without going to black. Firmware shouldn't really change. Basically there was nothing he said about black that seems to make it an update.
    01-15-2014 07:16 PM
  20. jasqid's Avatar
    If Verizon pulls the call and sms block... I will not update my phone. I find that app very useful.
    01-15-2014 10:09 PM
  21. fredd's Avatar
    I take it there must be some bugs with the Black update. Maybe thats why most of the North America phones arent getting the update yet.
    01-16-2014 09:52 AM
  22. hopmedic's Avatar
    No, it's because US carriers have such a stranglehold on updates.
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    01-16-2014 12:58 PM
  23. jgraves1107's Avatar
    And that is why gdr3 plus updating your Nokia apps is the same as black. I have all the apps that are suppose to be in Lumia black. So what is the update gonna do for my 928? Based on what Nokia says its not. Other than add or remove what Verizon wants done to it. That's why I was wondering what the heck is in this update. Sure Nokia said gdr3 voids my warranty and I said but if I load amber back on it then what happens. He was confused how I could put amber back on the phone. I said you know Nokia supplied the software to load it right. Then he realized he needed to ask to be sure. He said it don't matter after all. If the hardware fails they fix it. If the OS fails they reload it. I don't even think Nokia knows what the update has in it. They let the carrier change it up and then the carrier sends it back saying its ready. I don't want Verizon navigation and all that crap. I want call blocking though. Guess we have to wait and see. I still think this is the reason we have so many phones fail. Android is the same way. Apple seems to be the only one that tells the carriers no, but I'm tired of having to use 500 apps to do what my WP does without me touching it.
    01-16-2014 02:00 PM
  24. hopmedic's Avatar
    And that is why gdr3 plus updating your Nokia apps is the same as black. I have all the apps that are suppose to be in Lumia black. So what is the update gonna do for my 928? Based on what Nokia says its not. Other than add or remove what Verizon wants done to it. That's why I was wondering what the heck is in this update. Sure Nokia said gdr3 voids my warranty and I said but if I load amber back on it then what happens. He was confused how I could put amber back on the phone. I said you know Nokia supplied the software to load it right. Then he realized he needed to ask to be sure. He said it don't matter after all. If the hardware fails they fix it. If the OS fails they reload it. I don't even think Nokia knows what the update has in it. They let the carrier change it up and then the carrier sends it back saying its ready. I don't want Verizon navigation and all that crap. I want call blocking though. Guess we have to wait and see. I still think this is the reason we have so many phones fail. Android is the same way. Apple seems to be the only one that tells the carriers no, but I'm tired of having to use 500 apps to do what my WP does without me touching it.
    Here's what's in it:
    Nokia Lumia Black update begins rollout - Nokia Conversations

    Lumia Black update | Windows Phone Central
    01-16-2014 07:56 PM
  25. the_thunderbird's Avatar
    I have an unlocked Verizon 928 running on Rogers. Have never owned an unlocked device before? When the carrier releases the update will my phone follow, despite having a Rogers sim?
    01-17-2014 02:29 PM
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