05-01-2014 05:13 PM
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  1. taymur's Avatar
    Nice discussion, although 930 owners wont be early adopters, early adopters where in the generating of the 800/ 900...... people getting the 930 are most probably 800/900 owners.
    As a device, the hardware is just as what's in the market, Nokia sadly do not have the cash to buy the 1080/ 4.5" when they are selling like Hot Cakes in the markets, the need to wait a little bit for he prices to cool down, they need to cut the cost, in order to maximize the profit..... they are in big trouble you all know this.

    I'm going to buy the phone soon as soon as it hits the Saudi market, ill keep my 920 by my side till then.

    I also love the fact that Nokia didn't include a Wireless charger in the 1520, and made it available in the 930. Because this small situation is preventing me from getting a 1520, as I have already invested in a wireless charger, and aim not feeling like investing in a new wireless charger cover, I want that thing to be built in.. I don't know why :P
    04-06-2014 01:26 AM
  2. smoledman's Avatar
    I'm honestly shocked that Microsoft didn't unveil a Surface Phone at BUILD with specs that surpass the iPhone 5S. That's what Windows Phone needs right NOW.
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    04-06-2014 01:54 AM
  3. bilzkh's Avatar
    The SensorCore stuff sounds a little similar (at least in concept) to the M7 Motion Coprocessor on the iPhone 5S, and given what's already on the Lumia 930 (i.e. quad-core CPU, 1080p display, 2GB RAM, 20MP PureView camera *and* Qi wireless charging), I think that's a damn good set-up. In fact, the only thing somewhat bumming me out (besides not being announced for Canada) is the lack of another chip to handle Cortana, similar to the way Moto X manages Google Now and natural language processing.
    Joe Dubya likes this.
    04-06-2014 02:50 AM
  4. PureView's Avatar
    I'm honestly shocked that Microsoft didn't unveil a Surface Phone at BUILD with specs that surpass the iPhone 5S. That's what Windows Phone needs right NOW.
    The SoC on the iPhone 5S is technically superior to even the latest Snapdragon. Where would Microsoft come up with something superior to A7?
    heat 33330 and A895 like this.
    04-06-2014 03:07 AM
  5. TechAbstract's Avatar
    The SoC on the iPhone 5S is technically superior to even the latest Snapdragon. Where would Microsoft come up with something superior to A7?
    SoC is not everything in a phone. There are other things like screen, camera, wireless charging, nfc, etc......
    04-06-2014 04:02 AM
  6. tipu2185's Avatar
    Someone please tell Microsoft for the tech giant that they are, there progress with OS within last three years is shameful. Even with windows 8.1 they are not on par with IOS and android. With 930 glance missing (seriously), only 32 Gb version. Moderate battery life (when 1520 can have awesome battery life, they could have done same with Lumia 930) when they should be looking at retaining their customers. And someone please tell why there cannot be a high end device with 4.3" to 4.5". Am I the only one who think 5" is too big. You want to go there introduce 16xx series
    04-06-2014 04:18 AM
  7. Live2Deliver's Avatar
    If anyone think WP is behind technology for you, too heavy or whatsoever, go buy another phone! No one is forcing you to buy WP or Nokia, there are choices for you out there.
    04-06-2014 04:43 AM
  8. Jan Tomsic's Avatar
    I'm honestly shocked that Microsoft didn't unveil a Surface Phone at BUILD with specs that surpass the iPhone 5S. That's what Windows Phone needs right NOW.
    Nokia = microsoft => Lumia = surface phone. And quite frankly 'Surface Phone Windows Phone 8.1' sounds ridiculous.
    About surpassing iPhones chip:
    iPhone 5S: CPU: Dual-core 1.3 GHz Cyclone (ARM v8-based), GPU:PowerVR G6430 (quad-core graphics) @ 450 MHz (115,2 GFLOPS)
    Lumia 930: CPU: Quad-core 2.2 GHz Krait 400, GPU: Adreno 330 (also quad core) @ 450 MHz (115,2 GFLOPS)

    iPhones A7 is arm v8 based while Snapdragon 800 is arm v7. A7 has more L1 cache, but seems to be lacking (info about) L0 cache. Graphics performance is exactly the same (unless 930 uses the 578MHz GPU, which has 148GLOPS, in this case it's better)
    I don't think the chip itself is much better, it's the OS that's written and optimized specifically for the chip and WP is highly optimized for Snapdragons as well
    Even previous chip (used in 92x, 1020) had higher clock speed than A7. Yes, I know A7 is 64bit, but besides being able to address more RAM, this doesn't add to performance too much.

    I don't know what makes the 930 not surpass the iPhone 5S in your eyes. WP right now needs an update (which it got) and a fantastic flagship to go with it (930, ATIV SE, 1520, Icon) (which it has).
    04-06-2014 04:48 AM
  9. tipu2185's Avatar
    If anyone think WP is behind technology for you, too heavy or whatsoever, go buy another phone! No one is forcing you to buy WP or Nokia, there are choices for you out there.
    Exactly the point dear that attitude that Microsoft also retains. I am tired of supporting Nokia. I will listen to your \ (Microsoft's) advice. When I will buy new phone. I will switch.
    04-06-2014 04:53 AM
  10. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    So the Lumia 930's been released, and lo and behold it's a tweaked Icon. The problem is that the Icon was released in February, and the 930 won't be released until June/July, 4-5 months later. The 20MP camera module is presumably about the same as the 1520, which launched in December 7 months previously. That's a long time in this business, and they should have at least found a way to make it thinner and lighter than the Icon (10-20 grams would make all the difference), given feature parity. As things stand it certainly won't give first adopters the sense they're getting cutting edge tech.

    Don't get me wrong, it seems like a great phone, but come June/July I just can't see myself being super excited about it. This phone should have been launched with WP8.0 back in Dec/Jan/Feb, with an update coming Dec 2014. Instead I feel like Nokia's playing catch-up with its flagship once again.
    When WP8 first launched, the devices on the high-end ran on the MSM8960, the SoC found in the Galaxy S III. The S III came out in May of 2012. The 810, 820, 822, 920, and 8X came out in November of 2012 (on AT&T). The 928 wasn't out until May 2013, a full year after the S III. The 925 then came out in June 2013. The 1020 finally launched in July 2013, 14 months after the S III, which had THE EXACT SAME SoC as the 820-1020.

    The sky did not fall. My 920 is still running fine in 2014 with an SoC MORE than 6 months old when I got it (even though I mentioned at the time that MS needed to work on its release schedule to not be running 6-month-old hardware every time it launched a device). The most-important thing here is that the stuff in the S5 is essentially the same, just a little bit faster (higher clocks). Last time around, Nokia had NOTHING out on the S III's SoC until about 7 months later. This time, at least the Icon launched before the S5, and the 930 will only be a little slower. Oh, and the Lumia 1520 launched last November, and it's running the same SoC as the Icon and 930, but it beat the S5 to market by about 6 months.

    Trust me, Nokia's doing MUCH better this time around.
    04-06-2014 05:21 AM
  11. freestaterocker's Avatar
    It's not thinner or lighter because they put Qi wireless charging back in. The Icon doesn't have this feature. Compare it to the phone it's actually made to replace: the Lumia 920. WP8.0->8.1; Screen 4.5" 768x1280->5" 1080p; SOC Snapdragon S4 1.5ghz dual core->Snapdragon 800 Quad core; Memory 1gb->2gb; Camera 8.7mp->20mp; Battery 2000mah->2430mah (maybe 2420, I can't specifically recall); Audio Recording Dual HAAC Stereo->Quad HAAC Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound.

    In almost every conceivable category on the spec sheet Nokia has made a more significant improvement over one iteration than Samsung has over TWO iterations of their much heralded Galaxy S series, or than Apple has made over the last FOUR iPhones! Not to Mention HTC from the One X to the One to the One M8. The list goes on...

    Granted it's basically an international Icon with a slight redesign and the addition of built-in wireless charging, but only one carrier in one country got the Icon.

    Don't get me wrong; I wish it had Micro SDXC. I'd like an even larger battery for increased peace of mind day-to-day. And yes, it would be nice if they'd managed to get the more energy-efficient Snapdragon 805 in there to help those 2400+ milliamp hours to stretch a little further. But when compared against the device it's actually replacing in the lineup, the Lumia 930 is a truly remarkable single-generation upgrade. It's entirely possible the Goldfinger or even the 1020 successor will be out by the time I'm ready for my next device. But otherwise, I'm looking squarely, and happily, at the 930.
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    04-06-2014 05:23 AM
  12. buxz777's Avatar
    it isn't 6 months behind the times , the camera just got voted the best out bar the 1020 in a blind test on phone arena , the cpu is the best on the market at the minute , the screen one of the best , the mics are the best on the market , the build quality is great , the colours funky and fresh , its the device everyone on these forums was asking for a 5" top tier windows 8 device

    the only thing it is missing is mhl connection and or a micro sd slot and maybe waterproofing ...... this would enable usb flash drives to help out the 32gb memory and also tv out via cables which can be very handy when travelling etc , waterproofing just gives you extra confidence in the phone to take pics in the wet etc and we all know how handy a micro sd slot can be

    things like heartbeat monitor and finger print scanner are just gimmicks to me , fun , nice to have , but give me xenon flash like the 1020 or nokias oversampling and raw shooting capabilities any day of the week

    the s5 hasn't been released yet and its better then that I think , the htc one m8 is a joke with its camera and one drop and its ruined aluminium design , so why is it so behind the times compared to other flagships

    it isn't for me I want another camera flagship and ill stick to my 1020 64gb until then but this 5" 930 is a decent phone so why all the hate?
    04-06-2014 06:10 AM
  13. Sagar Limaye's Avatar
    microSD is such a must-have these days. I'm surprised how Nokia can leave this out in their flagship phone!
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    04-06-2014 06:39 AM
  14. boovish's Avatar
    Yep, quad core cpu, 20MP reframing camera with DNG support, Dolby digital plus, 1080p screen are waaaaaay behind the times. Please state what functionality is missing because of these ancient specs that other "cutting edge" phones have.
    Your missing the point! they want 4K screens, a 4.2GHz octo-core, Beats built in, 16GB of RAM and a gigapixel camera!
    Sagar Limaye likes this.
    04-06-2014 06:49 AM
  15. Jan Tomsic's Avatar
    Your missing the point! they want 4K screens, a 4.2GHz octo-core, Beats built in, 16GB of RAM and a gigapixel camera!
    Beats is just an equalizer with bass amplified. But yes, I see your point.

    I'd like to add my bit to the sd card: I don't need it, I'd much rather have 64 or more built-in storage. I've had a lot of problems with SD cards, they don't get recognized, they get lost and so on. I know it's a cheap add-on memory, but I'd rather have the speedy built in storage available. I don't understand how they're not putting in 64GB already, memory is super cheap, the iPhone is one of the only ones you can get with 64, but it costs extra 100$ which is not worth it. I want 64 or 128 GB for the same price as I'd pay for an SD card.
    04-06-2014 08:06 AM
  16. 2tomtom's Avatar
    Some of you disagreeing don't quite seem to have gotten the point - which is that there's nothing about this phone tech-wise that explains why Nokia couldn't have launched it sometime between Dec 2013 (when the 1520 with the same camera went on sale) and Feb 2014 when the Icon went on sale (identical in pretty much all respects). That makes it 6 months late to the party in my view, which comes at a big cost in an industry with a ~12m refresh cycle.

    Like foaf I'm really hoping there's a 1030 announcement soon that pushes the boat out with groundbreaking new imaging tech (the whole 41MP thing while still market-leading is getting long in the tooth too).

    As to the comments on weight, there is a taste element to this as some people love hefty phones. Personally I want a phone I could forget was in my pocket, and my 920 certainly never managed that, and many people took a similar view. The 930 is a huge improvement on the 920 and the weight might not actually be a problem (won't know until I try), my point was more that it would be nice to see *some* hardware improvement to show for a 6 month lag. As to the relationship between weight and build quality - the HTC One M7 was only 143 grams, and the M8 160 grams, and both of these have been lauded as amongst the highest build quality, so there's room for Nokia to bring the weight down and maintain a premium feel. There's nothing to be gained by having the heaviest flagship phone of the major market players.
    In my opinion, the 920/930 may be a bit heavier, but they have wireless charging, which is great once you've tried it.

    I have a 920, its been an awesome phone and will update to the 930. Guess the simple answer is, will you be getting a 930? Oh yes, in orange.
    04-06-2014 08:28 AM
  17. camstreet1's Avatar
    It's not thinner or lighter because they put Qi wireless charging back in. The Icon doesn't have this feature.
    The Icon does have Qi wireless charging...

    Just to re-iterate, I do think the 930 is/will be a great phone, and clearly a big step up from the 920, but by not releasing it until mid-summer they'll be competing with expectations for e.g. the next iphone and sales will suffer as a consequence. Nokia's problem is not convincing 920 owners to upgrade, they need to convince HTC/Samsung/iPhone users to switch, and relatively small improvements/feature parity with other flagships won't be enough to do it.

    I'd love to see WP with close to 20% market share across Europe and the US 12 months from now, but the delay in bringing the same tech from the 1520/Icon into an international flagship makes this virtually impossible imo. Which phone are current high-end android/iOS users going to buy in the next 3 months until the 930 launches? Probably not a Lumia.

    ​Nokia are definitely improving their pace and together with Apple the most innovative phone company out there, but I think they're still 6 months behind where they need their release schedule to be.
    04-06-2014 09:02 AM
  18. 89caps's Avatar
    I think you're making some good points. I was waiting for that one feature that would blow other phones away. The 920 had that effect, but don't see that with the 930 other than 20MP camera.
    04-06-2014 09:37 AM
  19. PureView's Avatar
    SoC is not everything in a phone. There are other things like screen, camera, wireless charging, nfc, etc......
    It's not everything, but it's an extremely important part none the less.
    04-06-2014 11:56 AM
  20. hasasimo's Avatar
    The Icon does have Qi wireless charging...

    Just to re-iterate, I do think the 930 is/will be a great phone, and clearly a big step up from the 920, but by not releasing it until mid-summer they'll be competing with expectations for e.g. the next iphone and sales will suffer as a consequence. Nokia's problem is not convincing 920 owners to upgrade, they need to convince HTC/Samsung/iPhone users to switch, and relatively small improvements/feature parity with other flagships won't be enough to do it.

    I'd love to see WP with close to 20% market share across Europe and the US 12 months from now, but the delay in bringing the same tech from the 1520/Icon into an international flagship makes this virtually impossible imo. Which phone are current high-end android/iOS users going to buy in the next 3 months until the 930 launches? Probably not a Lumia.

    ​Nokia are definitely improving their pace and together with Apple the most innovative phone company out there, but I think they're still 6 months behind where they need their release schedule to be.
    It's also a problem that loads of 920 users (such as myself and plenty of others on this forum) weren't even convinced to upgrade to a 930. When there are compromises you have to make in comparison to your current device (no glance screen for instance), that isn't much of an upgrade. I'm personally going to have to wait for a true flagship, hopefully before the year is out. Either that or go with the 1520. But every time I see it I think "that's just ridiculously big."

    Nokia is certainly innovative. Been so for decades. Apple? I'm not sure if that was tongue in cheek. You couldn't even use an MP3 as a ringtone when the iPhone came out. Their rear cameras were 2mp, vs 5mp on the Nokia N95 for instance. Apple was either dead last to adopt or still hasn't even adopted 3G, LTE, NFC, OIS, big screens, the list really does go on and on. Quite possibly the least innovative OEM and the OEM that's consistently furthest behind the competition for my money.
    04-06-2014 12:05 PM
  21. theefman's Avatar
    So is anyone going to give an actual example why the 930 specs are so bad? Or is this all just the typical ego thing of wanting specs but not actually needing them?
    04-06-2014 01:14 PM
  22. jongthechemist's Avatar
    I see this more like an international (re)release of the 929/930. Maybe the numbering is off which seems to upset a lot of people. Should they just hold the release of the Icon for June? Probably not, for the WP users on Verizon. Should they make Lumia 1020+Icon for 8.1 but slapping the 930 name? Probably a better marketing stunt for now. But I'm seeing the successor of the 1020 for making two international releases in a short period of time, which can help increase sales. Last year they launched 925 in May and 1020 in July.

    You can just buy the Icon, no need to be all emotional since buying other phone now might probably too late in the cycle. The Icon is a great phone in December, it still is now or even in June. Or you can wait till the new cycle arrives and see another Lumia competes with iPhone 6 or the Galaxy S5?

    As for me, I'll most probably buy the 1520 since it will be much cheaper by June (and supports glance and SDcard) or just wait to see if my 920 can handle the new update if I decided that having extra storage or photo resolution is unimportant enough. They mentioned during one of the session in Build that an updated 520 is expected to run as fast as current 920, so I'm not going for specs wars.
    04-06-2014 01:18 PM
  23. dby2011's Avatar
    You would assume maybe Nokia is holding off to release a flagship phone this fall to compete with the iPhone 6- maybe the first Microsoft Surface phone.
    04-06-2014 01:19 PM
  24. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    In almost every conceivable category on the spec sheet Nokia has made a more significant improvement over one iteration than Samsung has over TWO iterations of their much heralded Galaxy S series, or than Apple has made over the last FOUR iPhones! Not to Mention HTC from the One X to the One to the One M8. The list goes on...
    OK, let's get something straight here...you were right on until this paragraphs, which is just silliness. Now, this applies to the Samsung and HTC lines, but I'll stick to saying "Galaxy" for this, because I don't want to type "Galaxy and One" over and over...

    The S III came out MONTHS before the 920. The S4 was a few months after it. The 920 was in the middle of the MSM8960's life cycle, so it was positioned awkwardly (Apple does the same thing, but using their own SoCs prevents the mid-life issue, despite releasing in the same time frame). The S4 used the Snapdragon 600, a chunk of the SoC market that Windows Phone ignored (there are a few 400- and 800-powered devices, but none use the 600). Nokia AGAIN waited forever to release new stuff, rolling out MSM8960 phone after MSM8960 phone until the following fall, when the 1520 got the Snapdragon 800. Now, the S5 will run on the slightly-faster Snapdragon 801. SO what I'm getting at is:

    1. The performance gap from the S III to the S5 (those "TWO iterations") is actually larger than the 920->930 gap. Yeah, if you consider the camera and speakers, you MIGHT have an argument, but those aren't measurable things. In the measurables (CPU/GPU/RAM quality), the Galaxy line improved more.

    2. You're comparing different time frames. It's really tough to compare the improvements of the Galaxy line to the Lumia 9xx line here. If the 930 (or even the Icon) had released last November, and it ran on the 800, it would be better. However, they made their release time WORSE now, with the Icon not coming out until February and the 930 not following until June. So, in reality, they just put 2 releases into 3 release times. They skipped what would have been a 600-powered device in November, but they're also not putting in that extra bit of power in the 801, so they're going to release the 930 later than the S5, and with less power. This means that Nokia is either going to skip a Fall 2014 release, or they're going to get stuck in a dead zone for converting people from Android.

    Honestly, Nokia woudl be best-served to skip a Fall 2014 release, though. What they SHOULD do is let the next device (940, I assume) launch right before the S6 comes out. Make sure you have hardware identical to Samsung's, and have your devices releasing when the Android users' contracts are up. Otherwise, they get stuck trying to decide between waiting 6 months for a Nokia device or buying 6-month-old (or worse) hardware when going to Windows Phone.

    But for the most part, I agree with you. It's just you're trying to give Windows Phone/Nokia WAY too much credit for what is really just a terrible release cycle.
    04-06-2014 03:11 PM
  25. Squachy's Avatar
    So is anyone going to give an actual example why the 930 specs are so bad? Or is this all just the typical ego thing of wanting specs but not actually needing them?

    Nope, higher numbers are always better.
    04-06-2014 07:25 PM
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