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  1. dicks-webos's Avatar
    @Con Georgiadis: Thanks for the comparison. Imho the DR and detail resolution of the 930 is better. I assume this is 1020 with Cyan and 930 with Denim?
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    02-16-2015 07:31 AM
  2. anon(5841099)'s Avatar
    The 930 images in the comparison were with Cyan, check a few posts after. Denim will give much darker images with lots of detail lost in shadows.
    02-16-2015 08:41 AM
  3. Con Georgiadis's Avatar
    No matter, how low the light is, with flash in the night, the images are always outstanding. Was this taken with Cyan or Denim?
    All my 930 pics have taken with Cyan
    02-16-2015 09:00 AM
  4. Con Georgiadis's Avatar
    Lumia 1020 vs Lumia 930
    Settings auto, 5mp








    02-16-2015 09:06 AM
  5. maverick786us's Avatar
    The 930 images in the comparison were with Cyan, check a few posts after. Denim will give much darker images with lots of detail lost in shadows.
    That's disappointing, when denim is supposed enhance the camera, specially the image mechanism, specially at low light why would darker images be worst?
    02-16-2015 10:17 PM
  6. anon(5841099)'s Avatar
    Darker images aren't necessarily worse, but they seem to have changed the algorithm in Lumia Camera 5 or just in Denim FW itself. The algorithm now pushes the contrast up a lot, and does some weird stuff to saturation as well sometimes. The bump in contrast means that often you will lose details in any dark parts of any picture. I was actually thinking about going back to Cyan, but the Lumia Recovery Tool is now only offering Denim for my CV.
    02-17-2015 04:04 AM
  7. Marty89's Avatar
    Darker images aren't necessarily worse, but they seem to have changed the algorithm in Lumia Camera 5 or just in Denim FW itself. The algorithm now pushes the contrast up a lot, and does some weird stuff to saturation as well sometimes. The bump in contrast means that often you will lose details in any dark parts of any picture. I was actually thinking about going back to Cyan, but the Lumia Recovery Tool is now only offering Denim for my CV.
    Just use the Lumia camera classic and you will get the same quality as on Cyan, because there are actually no new algorithms in Denim update, it's just a postprocessing the new Lumia camera does.
    Look at this article. It talks about how denim drastically changed the quality of the pictures.
    http://allaboutwindowsphone.com/feat..._beforeaft.php
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    02-17-2015 05:25 AM
  8. Con Georgiadis's Avatar
    That's disappointing, when denim is supposed enhance the camera, specially the image mechanism, specially at low light why would darker images be worst?
    All the extra features of lumia camera 5 are very good...but the algorithms are wrong.Specially the Rich Caprure does not give correct results...at least for me.
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    02-17-2015 07:56 AM
  9. Con Georgiadis's Avatar
    Lumia 1020 vs Lumia 930
    Xenon flash vs LED flash
    Settings
    5mp, PureView
    iso = 200
    shutter = 1/8
    wb = auto


















    02-17-2015 06:42 PM
  10. Rodrigo Mendes's Avatar
    Lumia 930 far away superior, but have more post processing (which isn't always a good thing).

    Anyway, a legit brazilian barbecue with picanha!





    Last edited by Rodrigo Mendes; 02-17-2015 at 07:30 PM.
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    02-17-2015 07:08 PM
  11. initram5's Avatar
    Lumia 930
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    02-18-2015 07:06 AM
  12. Durri76's Avatar
    02-18-2015 11:03 AM
  13. Durri76's Avatar
    black_28_1_2015_16_38_34_-3-1-.jpg My junior ;)
    02-18-2015 11:07 AM
  14. Durri76's Avatar
    wp_20150219_15_54_14_rich-1-.jpg Colours - Numbers
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    02-21-2015 01:16 AM
  15. chancooluk's Avatar
    I have used a Lumia 830 for a few months and decided to upgrade to the 930, as it came down in price. I have both phones at the moment, which gives me the opportunity to directly compare them. I was expecting the camera to be much better than the 830, but I've come away disappointed, as there isn't much of a difference between them.

    Lumia Camera 5 is the biggest disappointment, but that's the same for both phones. There is too much contrast and the photos are way too over-sharpened.

    Here is a simple shot of my garden taken at dusk this evening (about 30 mins prior to complete darkness). It compares the 830 and 930 using LC5 and Lumia Camera Classic. All photos taken on auto, without flash, and without Rich Capture.

    Lumia 930 - Lumia Camera 5 (Denim) - Too dark (contrast is too high), muted colours, over-sharpened. It almost looks like an artistic filter has been applied post-process. It looks better than the 830 LC5 shot because it lacks the sharpened grain, but it's much worse than the 830 LCC shot:
    930-1.jpg

    Lumia 930 - Lumia Camera Classic - The best of the 4 shots, it narrowly beats the 830 LCC photo because the white balance is better:
    930-2.jpg

    Lumia 830 - Lumia Camera 5 (Denim) - Easily the worst of all 4 shots. Too dark, too much contrast, too much sharpening, very grainy (because the noise has been sharpened), colours muted:
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    Lumia 830 - Lumia Camera Classic - A nice shot considering the conditions, white balance is on the blue side, but its a much nicer looking photo compared to the LC5 version, with more vibrant colours and much less pronounced post-processing:
    830-2-copy.jpg
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    02-21-2015 12:29 PM
  16. chancooluk's Avatar
    Another Lumia Camera 5 vs. Lumia Camera Classic shot.

    Lumia Camera 5
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    Lumia Camera Classic
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    The LCC shot looks so much better

    Again LC5 ruins the shot by upping the contrast too high, messing with the colours, and sharpening the parts of the photo which are meant to be blurred (the bokeh effect is diminished).

    In a perfect world: LC5 speed and features with the post-processing algorithms of LCC.
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    02-21-2015 12:46 PM
  17. Con Georgiadis's Avatar
    I have used a Lumia 830 for a few months and decided to upgrade to the 930, as it came down in price. I have both phones at the moment, which gives me the opportunity to directly compare them. I was expecting the camera to be much better than the 830, but I've come away disappointed, as there isn't much of a difference between them.

    Lumia Camera 5 is the biggest disappointment, but that's the same for both phones. There is too much contrast and the photos are way too over-sharpened.

    Here is a simple shot of my garden taken at dusk this evening (about 30 mins prior to complete darkness). It compares the 830 and 930 using LC5 and Lumia Camera Classic. All photos taken on auto, without flash, and without Rich Capture.

    Lumia 930 - Lumia Camera 5 (Denim) - Too dark (contrast is too high), muted colours, over-sharpened. It almost looks like an artistic filter has been applied post-process. It looks better than the 830 LC5 shot because it lacks the sharpened grain, but it's much worse than the 830 LCC shot:
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    Lumia 930 - Lumia Camera Classic - The best of the 4 shots, it narrowly beats the 830 LCC photo because the white balance is better:
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    Lumia 830 - Lumia Camera 5 (Denim) - Easily the worst of all 4 shots. Too dark, too much contrast, too much sharpening, very grainy (because the noise has been sharpened), colours muted:
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    Lumia 830 - Lumia Camera Classic - A nice shot considering the conditions, white balance is on the blue side, but its a much nicer looking photo compared to the LC5 version, with more vibrant colours and much less pronounced post-processing:
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    The best combination for Lumia 930 is Lumia Cyan + OneShot camera
    02-21-2015 08:25 PM
  18. chancooluk's Avatar
    The best combination for Lumia 930 is Lumia Cyan + OneShot camera
    Does Denim change the algorithm for oneshot?

    I have only noticed the processing difference in the lumia camera 5 app. Lumia Camera Classic and Microsoft Camera shots look the same as pre-denim.
    02-22-2015 01:24 AM
  19. blue1k's Avatar
    Agree. Lumia Camera 5 is terrible. I regret getting this 930 to get Denim. What a massive disappointment. Who at MS thought people would like the unrealistic cartoon colors and crappy HDR.

    I should have kept my 1020. Lumia 5 and denim is a total waste.
    02-22-2015 01:38 AM
  20. Ssrki's Avatar
    After this comparison I decided to install Lumia camera classic again. Didn't find it but installed, Lumia camera v4.9.3.0 same as lcc version. Now I have both Lumia camera v5 and lcc
    02-22-2015 04:54 AM
  21. melvintwj's Avatar
    Nice review. Thanks for sharing, maybe you could write a review on the Windows Phone Store for the app?
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    02-22-2015 07:23 AM
  22. Torontonian22's Avatar
    Very first pic taken with my 930. Looking for brighter days to take some real shots outside.
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    02-22-2015 09:30 AM
  23. Nikita Van Vinci's Avatar
    Some winter shots (dng + PS)
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    02-22-2015 10:21 AM
  24. Durri76's Avatar
    Some winter shots (dng + PS)
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    Great!
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    02-23-2015 03:37 AM
  25. Durri76's Avatar
    wp_20150222_10_36_32_raw_-2-1-.jpg Šaľa town - Slovakia
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    02-23-2015 03:39 AM
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