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  1. maverick786us's Avatar
    f2.4 (930,1520) vs f2.0 (920,925) It is very big difference how much light sensors can collect in certain amount of time. 920 and 925 have also bigger individual pixels which doesn't generate so much noise compared to 930 and 1520.

    But you can take equally good low light shot whit 930 and 1520. You just need to use manual settings since auto settings use so high ISO values due f2.4 lens, that noise levels are so high which destroys details from photos. OIS is much better in 1520 and 930 which compensates higher f-value allowing longer exposure times wo blurring. That doesn't help with moving objects though.

    I'm yet to see how Nokia cyan update improves low light shots. If manual settings are used, 930 should trump 925/920.
    The reason they reduced the size of sensors, was to compensate the thickness. 925 is thinnner than 930 and still it has bigger lense than 930.
    07-15-2014 09:38 AM
  2. Dreamspell's Avatar
    The reason they reduced the size of sensors, was to compensate the thickness. 925 is thinnner than 930 and still it has bigger lense than 930.
    The 930 has a bigger sensor than the 920/925 but narrower aperture, and the reason for that was answered in an AMA with Nokia's imaging guys:

    Q: Why go with a narrower f2.4 aperture on the 1520/Icon/930 instead of a wider one to allow more light in?
    A: It was the best balance for overall image quality. Lumia Cyan update makes the low light performance much better.

    The bigger sensor allows it to receive more light despite the narrower aperture.
    Last edited by Dreamspell; 07-15-2014 at 10:05 AM.
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    07-15-2014 09:48 AM
  3. DarthMengon's Avatar
    Thx. i havent known that. Do you know if the same applies for Videos ? i mean is the max zoom in Nokia Camera there also lossless ?

    In Nokia Camera, the max loseless zoom in photos for 4:3 ratio is 1.9x and 16:9 is 1.7x. You can zoom in much more with the Default Camera app and ProShot but there will be a loss of quality.
    07-15-2014 10:00 AM
  4. Dreamspell's Avatar
    Thx. i havent known that. Do you know if the same applies for Videos ? i mean is the max zoom in Nokia Camera there also lossless ?
    Yes, I believe it is 3x lossless zoom in 1080p and 4x lossless zoom in 720p with Nokia Camera, but I haven't found a way to confirm it.
    07-15-2014 10:04 AM
  5. th0mas96's Avatar
    Sorry, but do you know what "lossless zoom" is? it's just normal digital zoom. They call it lossless because the zoomed-in picture is still at least 5 megapixels, but it's still nothing different from digital zoom. it's lossy, the sensor is at max capable of 20,7MP, I believe 19 if you shoot a square picture (the maximum area you can get with a rectangle in a circle).
    When using "lossless" zoom, the pixel count will drop. it's simple as that, exporting the high-res image and cropping it on a pc delivers exactly the same result.
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    07-15-2014 11:17 AM
  6. Dreamspell's Avatar
    Sorry, but do you know what "lossless zoom" is? it's just normal digital zoom. They call it lossless because the zoomed-in picture is still at least 5 megapixels, but it's still nothing different from digital zoom. it's lossy, the sensor is at max capable of 20,7MP, I believe 19 if you shoot a square picture (the maximum area you can get with a rectangle in a circle).
    When using "lossless" zoom, the pixel count will drop. it's simple as that, exporting the high-res image and cropping it on a pc delivers exactly the same result.
    The 5 MP "lossless zoom" is indeed simply the cropping/reframing of the high resolution image to a maximum "digital zoom" where the crop would still be 5 MP from the 16/19 MP output. The pixel count will always drop, be lossy, if you use the 5 MP image. However, the 5 MP output with 1x to 1.9x zoom will have no loss in quality since it will always be 5 MP.
    Last edited by Dreamspell; 07-15-2014 at 12:02 PM.
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    07-15-2014 11:51 AM
  7. DJCBS's Avatar
    the sensor is at max capable of 20,7MP,
    Just a small correction: 20mp.

    It's Sony that has 20.7mp sensors. ;)

    Also, the camera doesn't take 20mp pictures, it takes a 15 or 16mp picture and a 5mp one. So it's not even using the full capacity.

    Honestly, I'd prefer if they did as Sony does and allow you to take and use photos at full resolution. So instead of 2 pictures, I would much prefer to have an option to let me chose if I want to take one 20mp/41mp picture and use that one or the two pictures scheme.
    Or then, as Sony does, put that scheme into the automatic mode (or instead of a 5mp, put the sensor creating 8mp/9mp pictures on auto mode and then have the full 20/41 in manual settings).
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    07-15-2014 02:50 PM
  8. Nijaz Turdaliev's Avatar
    First shots
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    07-15-2014 02:53 PM
  9. Roland Stoll's Avatar
    I also believe that the quality of photos taken in auto-mode really depends on the situation and may be sometimes better or worse compared to the competitors.
    The true power of the Lumia 930 (as already for the Lumia 1520 and for sure for the Lumia 1020) is in the manual settings which forces us to get much deeper in understanding of photography techniques... I honestly haven't been into this so far, but I love to play around, try out and learn, asking more-skilled friends and try again... just using the auto-mode doesn't gives us the best results anytime...

    here a small example using different exposure settings (first auto, second manual) - both pics taken nearly at the same time:
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    Last edited by Roland Stoll; 07-16-2014 at 05:34 AM.
    07-16-2014 02:52 AM
  10. McDaddyMike's Avatar
    I took this one with macro lens added to my Lumia 930 and zoomed a bit with changing composition tool in Nokia Camera. I'm quite happy with this phone, it makes great pics. :)

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    07-16-2014 05:10 AM
  11. Sebbak's Avatar
    I took this one with macro lens added to my Lumia 930 and zoomed a bit with changing composition tool in Nokia Camera. I'm quite happy with this phone, it makes great pics. :)

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    Bloody hell, you can see the compounding in the eye! That's not bad!
    07-16-2014 05:18 AM
  12. timppa_k's Avatar
    Name of the macro lens, please. I wont buy.
    07-16-2014 05:52 AM
  13. Psyclone71's Avatar
    Just a quick test with the updated Nokia Camera, i am having problems with the colour of grass on some photos...

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    07-16-2014 07:03 AM
  14. thatuxguy's Avatar
    I took this one with macro lens added to my Lumia 930 and zoomed a bit with changing composition tool in Nokia Camera. I'm quite happy with this phone, it makes great pics. :)

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    What lens did you use?
    07-16-2014 07:32 AM
  15. thatuxguy's Avatar
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    Just a crop of a larger image, edited on the phone.
    Last edited by thatuxguy; 07-16-2014 at 07:53 AM.
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    07-16-2014 07:33 AM
  16. thatuxguy's Avatar
    Resized to 800px wide, as the forum would not allow me to upload the larger images.

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    Lumia 930 (from hi-res image)

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    iPhone 5S

    I took both photos from the same distance, give or take a "mm".
    07-16-2014 08:01 AM
  17. maverick786us's Avatar
    Resized to 800px wide, as the forum would not allow me to upload the larger images.

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    Lumia 930 (from hi-res image)

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    iPhone 5S

    I took both photos from the same distance, give or take a "mm".
    930 is a clear winner in normal lightening. I've read numerous controversial threads where people say that iPhone 5S produces better pictures under normal lightening. I don't know why people say that. In fact when iPhone 5s was launched, I read a comparisions where even 925 happened to produce better pictures than 5S.

    Apple did a great job with their cameras since iPhone 4s was launched, but compared to high end cameras of Lumia 920/925/1020/1520 and 930, which has OIS, iPhone camera stand less chance..
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    07-16-2014 08:10 AM
  18. McDaddyMike's Avatar
    What lens did you use?
    It's OSINO Detachable Lens for Mobile Phones & Digital Camera. Wide +Macro Lens. There are plenty of lenses, just search the internet. :)
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    07-16-2014 09:17 AM
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    And with a little help from Nokia Creative Studio / Photoshop Express, you can turn that second picture into this:
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    07-16-2014 09:56 AM
  20. Bahamen's Avatar
    The reason they reduced the size of sensors, was to compensate the thickness. 925 is thinnner than 930 and still it has bigger lense than 930.
    Having a smaller f-number (larger aperture) doesn't necessarily mean physically bigger lens. The f-number is also (indirectly) related to the sensor size; therefore the exact same lens paired to a larger sensor will have a higher f-number (i.e. smaller aperture). I haven't worked out the numbers, but I think the 920/930 lens are physically of the equivalent size and therefore admit the same amount of light. The difference, though, is that the 930 sensor is larger, therefore the same amount of light is spread to a larger area (therefore lower intensity of light and appear less bright). Although the full-resolution pixel may appear more noisy (due to smaller pixel and lower intensity of light), but the oversampled result should be much better.
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    07-16-2014 10:36 AM
  21. thatuxguy's Avatar
    930 is a clear winner in normal lightening. I've read numerous controversial threads where people say that iPhone 5S produces better pictures under normal lightening. I don't know why people say that. In fact when iPhone 5s was launched, I read a comparisions where even 925 happened to produce better pictures than 5S.

    Apple did a great job with their cameras since iPhone 4s was launched, but compared to high end cameras of Lumia 920/925/1020/1520 and 930, which has OIS, iPhone camera stand less chance..
    I think the photos are getting better. Looking at the pics they look to be different angles, however they were taken at the same distance, maybe the angle was off a little :/
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    07-16-2014 10:42 AM
  22. maverick786us's Avatar
    I think the photos are getting better. Looking at the pics they look to be different angles, however they were taken at the same distance, maybe the angle was off a little :/
    Can you also take a full size image of 930 and compare it with iPhone 5S here?
    07-16-2014 01:02 PM
  23. thatuxguy's Avatar
    Can you also take a full size image of 930 and compare it with iPhone 5S here?
    I can do. Let me set up a few shots tomorrow. I will share via dropbox as the forum is funny about image sizes.
    07-16-2014 02:47 PM
  24. BobiBolivia's Avatar
    OK guys,

    So here is my low-light video test... tell me your opinion, preferred here, since I don't have G+ to respond on comments on YouTube:



    Edit: Now with better audio on my ears... I think I will not be only one who will hear the mechanism when camera is trying to focus (at the end of video, shooting at street lights)

    Edit: Sorry for some darker parts, I just wanted to prevent people ask me, if I am taking a video of them.
    07-16-2014 04:10 PM
  25. timppa_k's Avatar
    930 is a clear winner in normal lightening. I've read numerous controversial threads where people say that iPhone 5S produces better pictures under normal lightening. I don't know why people say that. In fact when iPhone 5s was launched, I read a comparisions where even 925 happened to produce better pictures than 5S. ..........
    The thing is not so simple. The iPhone 5s is focused to the last upper pins. There the picture is clear. With L930 focusing is in the middle.
    (To be clear, I'm not an Aple fan ;-)
    07-16-2014 07:17 PM
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