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  1. Jan Tomsic's Avatar
    The iPhone 5S does not have microSD card support (nor did any model of iPhone), and it is definitely considered a flagship device.
    And memory upgrades (from 16 to 32 and 64GB) are extremely expensive.

    Internal memory is faster and, as you pointed out, more secure, but that doesn't mean that I don't want a 64GB sd card for my music (and videos) that I couldn't care less if anyone saw.
    But I kinda got used to 12,4GB that 925 offers, I just listen to 3 albums of music at the time anyway, and since all photos get uploaded to onedrive, I just remove the whole folder at once. And I have Nexus 7 (32GB) for videos and a 1500€ custom built PC for games.
    05-31-2014 05:42 AM
  2. Jan Tomsic's Avatar
    I plan to use my L1520 on my holidays as a single replacement of every device i used to drag along .
    No more:
    Tablet
    Laptop
    E-reader
    DSLR camera
    Camcorder,
    ... to keep an eye on, but just one device thats big enough to read the news or an E-book on, that makes great pictures and very good video's and has an office suite that allows me to make changes in documents on the go.
    So, yes, i put an 128 gb card in my flagship, because that is what my 1520 is.

    Am i worried about theft?
    Yes i am, thats why i don't want to carry al the other equipment along anymore, and have my Nokia in my pocket where no one can touch it.
    You might quickly find out that the battery is quite bad if you use your phone non stop. Also the e-ink screen is far more eyes friendly than LCD. For me it can't possibly replace a laptop, but it could replace a tablet (6 vs 7" is not much of a difference after all, but replacing a 10 or 12" is a bit harder).
    I remember having to drag a laptop, PSP, camera and a phone with me places, not I just take my phone and 7" tablet, unless I need to do real work, then a laptop is necessary.
    05-31-2014 05:45 AM
  3. ven07's Avatar
    Dear OP,

    I'm not entirely with you on this one. While I do agree that a 32GB phone, without a SD option, should be enough; this is however not always the case..
    I came from a phone that had SD option, but I kept mine at 8GB and after a while that wasn't enough. My current phone has 16 GB which seemed like a logical step up, but even that sometimes isn't enough. Being limited by the phone has its advantages. For one, it keeps you aware of how much space you have available which is essential for some, but not all. My GF has a 5S with 32GB and she has about 500MB-1GB of free space left
    I have 3GB of free space, but that's because I don't clutter my phone.. All the apps and games I have are being used often and if i don't use them.... *uninstalling* So it really depends on who you are
    05-31-2014 06:51 AM
  4. b23h's Avatar
    Wow, this chatter about the iPhone is a huge waste of time in my consideration. So what the iPhone has sold a lot and has no SD Card Slot. I could care less. It also has a pretty small screen and Apple has taken years to catch up to the rest of the market on screen size. I don't care about Apple at all. If you're concerned with his statement "It's a feature of all 2014 flagships", I suggest changing "all" to most, and we're @#$%^$$# done!

    Personally I want a phone that has 32gb of internal memory and a SD Card Slot. If I cannot get one I may just continue to hold on to my 920 until I get a phone like the 930 but with Glance and a SD Card Slot. The likelihood is that I will have music, photo's and game saves on the memory card which I do not necessarily consider a big privacy risk.

    RANT\
    I think would be absolutely foolish for MM to release a flagship phone in the Icon/930 size without an SD Card Slot. If they do not release a phone like that soon (which I am expecting is Goldfinger) I will hold them in contempt, and I am not joking at all about how I would feel contempt for them. I do not fetish the wisdom of Nokia or Microsoft. The history of both companies is chock full of huge errors. Nokia had an outstanding position in the cellphone market only to see it evaporate and have to throw a hail mary pass to Microsoft. Now Nokia's Devices and Services is no longer Nokia. If you're a start up, selling to another company is often a sign of success. Nokia selling the cellphone division to Microsoft was a clear sign of failure. I'm sure there's plenty of books on the history of Microsoft's blunders.

    I refuse to allow my affection for a company and their products blind me to their faults. Nor should any company allow esprit de corps or hubris to rationalize away their failures. I worked for the VHA (VA Hospital) system for twenty one years until I simply could not take it any longer and resigned in March 2013. I know what willful blindness can do to an organization.
    /RANT
    Last edited by b23h; 05-31-2014 at 05:49 PM.
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    05-31-2014 12:38 PM
  5. tapehead's Avatar
    No SD card = worthless phone to me. Unless it has 64GB out of the box minimum.

    But my phone has about 90GB on it thanks to the SD card. So... I'm spoiled.
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    05-31-2014 12:42 PM
  6. poiman's Avatar
    32GB is enough for me. I've used iPads for 1.5 years and they are 32GB. After all this time I'm still far away of that limit and I've more apps in it than I'll ever have on a smartphone. My LUMIA 920, which I used for 8 months, was also 32GB and I didn't even used half of its capacity over the time I owned it!
    05-31-2014 01:18 PM
  7. b23h's Avatar
    32GB is enough for me. I've used iPads for 1.5 years and they are 32GB. After all this time I'm still far away of that limit and I've more apps in it than I'll ever have on a smartphone. My LUMIA 920, which I used for 8 months, was also 32GB and I didn't even used half of its capacity over the time I owned it!
    Congratulation.

    I am sure somewhere in the definition of "flagship" is a reference to the lowest common denominator. If Nokia can put a SD Card Slot in a model like the 520, I see no purpose in not having one in a flagship device. Allowing oneself the possibility of expanding storage makes perfect sense to me. I expect the calculus goes like this, no SD Card slot equals suboptimum sales.

    This conversation just bores the hell out of me quickly and while people will continue to argue ad nauseam that their personal usage doesn't require one, I expect we will see that SD Card Slots will become much more common in WP devices.
    05-31-2014 01:49 PM
  8. ven07's Avatar
    Sd cards are a must...... Give us the option to decide instead of deciding for us
    05-31-2014 01:56 PM
  9. freestaterocker's Avatar
    I would rather see the option for larger built in storage capacity... In a perfect world where WP had significant marketshare I could simply order the 64 GB variant of the 930 and be done with it. But where MS/Nokia aren't moving enough units to justify multiple SKUs, I agree that they should include an expansion slot and let us decide whether to use it or not.

    I plan to make the 930 my next device regardless, so I'm already starting to decide where to make the necessary cuts, as I'm using about 12 GB of my built in 16 and 27 of the available 29 or so GB of the 32 GB SD card in my Ativ S.
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    05-31-2014 02:00 PM
  10. freestaterocker's Avatar
    I plan to use my L1520 on my holidays as a single replacement of every device i used to drag along .
    No more:
    Tablet
    Laptop
    E-reader
    DSLR camera
    Camcorder,
    ... to keep an eye on, but just one device thats big enough to read the news or an E-book on, that makes great pictures and very good video's and has an office suite that allows me to make changes in documents on the go.
    So, yes, i put an 128 gb card in my flagship, because that is what my 1520 is.

    Am i worried about theft?
    Yes i am, thats why i don't want to carry al the other equipment along anymore, and have my Nokia in my pocket where no one can touch it.
    This post hits the nail on the head, IMO. I don't want to carry an extra device, even a small one, for my huge music collection. And I don't have Wi-Fi at home or work so streaming isn't an option. I realize I'm well in the minority here, but I need a large amount of local storage.
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    05-31-2014 02:11 PM
  11. poiman's Avatar
    I believe it all comes down to the number of intense graphic games and number of music albums you have on your phone.

    I personally don't see the point of having an entire music collection on a phone. Two or three new albums that I feel like they fit my mood in a given moment are enough and if for some reason I want to listen to something else I can listen to it in the cloud, so 500mb of music are enough for me at a time.

    Games is the same. Who needs more than 3 intense graphic games at the same time? I play a game, finish it, delete it and start a new one. If I want to play some again later, just download it again.
    05-31-2014 02:16 PM
  12. colinkiama's Avatar
    just for the record, the dual-core 1.3 GHz Apple A7 SoC is the fastest phone chip on the planet and can obliterate Snapdragon 801 in any and all benchmark tests.
    so yes Apple is very much flag ship even when it comes to specs.

    on topic: I agree with OP that SD card on a volatile devices such as phones is a huge security and privacy risk. 32 GB is enough for 98% of users. the remaining 2% can always get 64 GB versions or lower models with SD cards or even better, a iPod classic to store their huge music library. I'm glad that Nokia saw the wise ways of Apple by striving for the best performance and security by using only internal memory for flagship phones.
    It's only fast because they optimized it in the OS. Run android with that chip and it will lag like hell.
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    05-31-2014 02:23 PM
  13. colinkiama's Avatar
    I believe it all comes down to the number of intense graphic games and number of music albums you have on your phone.

    I personally don't see the point of having an entire music collection on a phone. Two or three new albums that I feel like they fit my mood in a given moment are enough and if for some reason I want to listen to something else I can listen to it in the cloud, so 500mb of music are enough for me at a time.

    Games is the same. Who needs more than 3 intense graphic games at the same time? I play a game, finish it, delete it and start a new one. If I want to play some again later, just download it again.
    But your data, all your precious data will be gone.
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    05-31-2014 02:29 PM
  14. Coreldan's Avatar
    I don't really think that as much of a reason, I dont mind no SD card as it means no compromises have been made in the build of the phone. That's the biggest reason why Nokia leaves it out. It's a big trade off for build quality and durability and causes a lot of challenge in fitting components.
    05-31-2014 02:38 PM
  15. Athanville's Avatar
    i love your logic, exact same thing with me, games? i built a PC for that, music? i have 32Gb ipod for that, so my phone is just my social media hub and mails and calls. have a 925 still have 9GB free
    05-31-2014 02:43 PM
  16. Athanville's Avatar
    No SD card actually also means your device uses less power because think about it, you are asking your phone to read something from another piece of circuitry and play it, means tasking the processor even more.
    05-31-2014 02:45 PM
  17. etad putta's Avatar
    Money, it's always about money. No sd card slot means you have to pay more, much more, to get that extra storage. It has nothing to do with anything else. It's simply greed showing it's ugly grin to the consumer.
    05-31-2014 03:21 PM
  18. Coreldan's Avatar
    Money, it's always about money. No sd card slot means you have to pay more, much more, to get that extra storage. It has nothing to do with anything else. It's simply greed showing it's ugly grin to the consumer.
    I'm not buying this argument though. Most phones don't even offer different sizes to "milk it" much with this kind of idea. Flagship phone prices are pretty similar across the board anyways outside like.. iPhones that actually do different kind of sizes.

    The physical build of the device is a huge reason for leaving one out. Just think how much space a slot like that will take and it requires compromises to the actual frame etc
    05-31-2014 03:50 PM
  19. DJCBS's Avatar
    I believe it all comes down to the number of intense graphic games and number of music albums you have on your phone.

    I personally don't see the point of having an entire music collection on a phone. Two or three new albums that I feel like they fit my mood in a given moment are enough and if for some reason I want to listen to something else I can listen to it in the cloud, so 500mb of music are enough for me at a time.

    Games is the same. Who needs more than 3 intense graphic games at the same time? I play a game, finish it, delete it and start a new one. If I want to play some again later, just download it again.

    Two things:

    1 - If you buy a phone with a 41mp or a 20mp shooter, one presumes you take photos with it. Now, thinking about the 1020, for example: I just took 19 photos out of it. You know what size those 19 photos took (and I'm only talking about the size of the high-resolution ones)? 220MB. And I WASN'T shooting in RAW. If I were, those 220 would easily become 440MB. For 19 photos.
    So the photos alone can eat up a lot of space, specially the higher the shooter megapixel counter. The 930 has 20mp already which means it will fill faster than the 920. 32GB go away in an instance.

    2 - Some of us more hardcore gamers can't do that. We hop and switch from game to game. And the "If I want to play some again later, just download it again" it would work IF all the games on WP had cloud saving. Which they don't. Meaning, 90% of them, if you uninstall them, you lose all the progress. And as far as I understand, 8.1 didn't REALLY solve that as it requires developers to update the game to allow the game data to be backed up.
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    05-31-2014 04:33 PM
  20. colinkiama's Avatar
    I'm not buying this argument though. Most phones don't even offer different sizes to "milk it" much with this kind of idea. Flagship phone prices are pretty similar across the board anyways outside like.. iPhones that actually do different kind of sizes.

    The physical build of the device is a huge reason for leaving one out. Just think how much space a slot like that will take and it requires compromises to the actual frame etc
    Have you seen the HTC one M8 and all the Sony Xperia phones. They have SD card slots and slim designs. The Xperia Z2 and HTC One M8 have no compromises. Nokia are just being dumb.
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    05-31-2014 04:39 PM
  21. poiman's Avatar
    Two things:

    1 - If you buy a phone with a 41mp or a 20mp shooter, one presumes you take photos with it. Now, thinking about the 1020, for example: I just took 19 photos out of it. You know what size those 19 photos took (and I'm only talking about the size of the high-resolution ones)? 220MB. And I WASN'T shooting in RAW. If I were, those 220 would easily become 440MB. For 19 photos.
    So the photos alone can eat up a lot of space, specially the higher the shooter megapixel counter. The 930 has 20mp already which means it will fill faster than the 920. 32GB go away in an instance.

    2 - Some of us more hardcore gamers can't do that. We hop and switch from game to game. And the "If I want to play some again later, just download it again" it would work IF all the games on WP had cloud saving. Which they don't. Meaning, 90% of them, if you uninstall them, you lose all the progress. And as far as I understand, 8.1 didn't REALLY solve that as it requires developers to update the game to allow the game data to be backed up.
    It depends on the usage you give to your phone, so there are no rights and wrongs here. Some use their phones in a way that needs more storage, others in a way that needs less. Some will need an SD card slot, others won't. That's why the LUMIA range has so many phones, so that you can find one that fits your needs. Obviously you will never satisfy everyone even if you have 20 or 50 different models in the market but what matters is to be able to satisfy the needs of the majority.

    Regarding my usage, photos will never be a problem to me. I use OneDrive high-quality Wi-Fi photos backup, so in the end of the day I can always delete the photos from my phone (and still have access to them via OneDrive, obviously). No problem there.

    Regarding games, shame on me but, no matter how good they are, I never repeat games that I've already finished... not even on consoles, so I have never had a problem with losing game saves.

    But, as you can see, it all comes down to the way you use your device, there are no rights or wrongs here. Some are fine with "just" 32GB... You can't tell that they are wrong because of it, just like they can't tell that the SD card slot on the 1520 shouldn't be there because for them it is a waste of space and resources.
    05-31-2014 07:01 PM
  22. DJCBS's Avatar
    But, as you can see, it all comes down to the way you use your device, there are no rights or wrongs here. Some are fine with "just" 32GB... You can't tell that they are wrong because of it, just like they can't tell that the SD card slot on the 1520 shouldn't be there because for them it is a waste of space and resources.
    Exactly and that's why we, who need microSD cards, complain about the lack of one in a phone that's supposed to be the flagship when every other single phone in the Lumia range has it. Better have it and don't need it than need it and don't have it. That's the entire point in this and why I think the OP was wrong.
    There's nothing good about the lack of microSD. Nothing.
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    05-31-2014 07:33 PM
  23. colinkiama's Avatar
    Exactly and that's why we, who need microSD cards, complain about the lack of one in a phone that's supposed to be the flagship when every other single phone in the Lumia range has it. Better have it and don't need it than need it and don't have it. That's the entire point in this and why I think the OP was wrong.
    There's nothing good about the lack of microSD. Nothing.
    This post sums it up really. Can someone close this thread now please?
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    05-31-2014 07:50 PM
  24. tapehead's Avatar
    I believe it all comes down to the number of intense graphic games and number of music albums you have on your phone.

    I personally don't see the point of having an entire music collection on a phone. Two or three new albums that I feel like they fit my mood in a given moment are enough and if for some reason I want to listen to something else I can listen to it in the cloud, so 500mb of music are enough for me at a time.
    This post hurts me in my soul.

    But really, it's awesome you can get away with 500MB for your music, but I'm so sporadic when it comes to what I want to listen to, and it changes at any given moment. Trust me, Spotify + 90GB just barely makes the grade. Especially as I buy new CDs and records roughly two times a week.
    06-01-2014 03:46 AM
  25. Zeem Frostmaw's Avatar
    YEAH! Let's remove features from our phones because we don't trust our customers to use them sensibly! :D

    Actually, let's not.
    06-01-2014 03:54 AM
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