07-25-2014 10:27 AM
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  1. thecaringkind's Avatar
    Personal preference is a HUGE part of the decisions people make when it comes to their choice of phone. I am a big fan of Windows Phone and its overall aesthetic however I do wish that Microsoft would pick up the innovation just a tick. For instance, looking at the HTC One M8, and the LG G 3 I see two very cutting edge pieces of hardware that have distinct design languages that make the phones really stand out. I love my Lumia Icon and its built like a TANK, but the overall design aesthetic is a bit stodgy. The former phones have unique features and designs that add to the overall appeal of the devices, whereas the Nokia Lumia Icon has solid internals, a very good screen and camera that in and of themselves may not appeal to the masses as effectively as some of the other flagship android devices available right now.

    Frankly, I'm getting a little impatient waiting for a Microsoft branded flagship device that can go toe-to-toe with the best that Android or Apple have to offer. They can do it, they just need to get it done much sooner rather than later.
    07-20-2014 05:49 PM
  2. badMojo69's Avatar
    LOL Black Berry was doomed from the moment they ignored the iPhone.
    For BlackBerry leaders, success paved way for failure - CBS News

    Microsoft too can be accused of sitting on their *** for far too long, but this time I honestly think with new leadership they have a game plan and will execute. With 8.1 they are on par technically with iPhone and once they merge the OS with RT they will be on par with Android.

    Oh and most people are lemmings anyway. While I was buying LG phones all I heard was how crappy LG was. Now with the release of the LG G3 everyone is all on LGs jock. Buy what you like and screw what others say.
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    07-20-2014 06:06 PM
  3. rdubmu's Avatar
    Out of Curiosity which app(s) are you missing?
    For work: ip cam viewer, none of the windows phone ones work, I have also have asked the developer to make one (Robert Choi) also smg app and a couple of others. They are all on android and iOS but are not on Windows phone.

    For home: most banking apps. I would have to use IE to access them. I do bank with Wells Fargo and they did release an app but I am missing apps from other banks I do business with.

    Also: qsrsoft doesn't work well on mobile IE. The click down menus disappear very quickly while on safari on iOS or chrome on Android it works like it is suppose to.






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    07-20-2014 06:21 PM
  4. godse573's Avatar
    So here's my argument. What if when apple release their iPhone 6 they reveal that it has the same specs as a Nintendo 64, but it runs like a well oiled machine zipping and zooming faster than ever before. Is the hardware going to deter customers? Definitely not. So what really is the "old hardware" argument really about?

    Does the 930 load apps quickly?
    Yes
    Does the 930 play HD video fluidly?
    Yes
    Is there any lag in gameplay on any game?
    No

    So what really is the argument? That all of our devises branched from the same basic idea and hardware? Should the hardware be more than a couple of months old, it still works, very well. Ok, newer devises run with a snapdragon 801. But do they need it? Probably not. The old hardware argument has been around since the stone age, never once being relevant.
    07-20-2014 07:47 PM
  5. hidayat225's Avatar
    So here's my argument. What if when apple release their iPhone 6 they reveal that it has the same specs as a Nintendo 64, but it runs like a well oiled machine zipping and zooming faster than ever before. Is the hardware going to deter customers? Definitely not. So what really is the "old hardware" argument really about?

    Does the 930 load apps quickly?
    Yes
    Does the 930 play HD video fluidly?
    Yes
    Is there any lag in gameplay on any game?
    No

    So what really is the argument? That all of our devises branched from the same basic idea and hardware? Should the hardware be more than a couple of months old, it still works, very well. Ok, newer devises run with a snapdragon 801. But do they need it? Probably not. The old hardware argument has been around since the stone age, never once being relevant.
    I totally agree. Why do Apple get away not having the latest Snapdragon or highest megapixel while Nokia is being trashed at even though they have one of the best low light cameras.
    godse573, Jazmac, jojoe42 and 3 others like this.
    07-20-2014 08:14 PM
  6. hidayat225's Avatar
    And the only reason I think Nokia decided to use the latest processor was the lovely features like living images and probably the screen technology.
    07-20-2014 08:15 PM
  7. Vitor Salvatore Pierce's Avatar
    Guys, what I heard, it was only truths.
    07-20-2014 09:33 PM
  8. cjono's Avatar
    I totally agree. Why do Apple get away not having the latest Snapdragon or highest megapixel while Nokia is being trashed at even though they have one of the best low light cameras.
    Probably because in most if not all testing Apple comes out on top in terms of GPU performance and at times CPU despite being a dual core CPU. Granted its custom designed, but that is why no one gives apple crap regarding that.

    Not too mention all the best mobile games are designed for iOS first and that ios8 will have metal (going to lead to some incredible games that will be iOS exclusive) and you have a very compelling device.

    Its funny that MSFT should be leading the gaming side with Xbox Live integration, they really missed the boat on that one.
    07-21-2014 03:28 AM
  9. DuncanF62's Avatar
    Also: qsrsoft doesn't work well on mobile IE. The click down menus disappear very quickly while on safari on iOS or chrome on Android it works like it is suppose to.
    Similar problem on RT. The solution is to tap and hold which "pins" the drop down menu,
    rdubmu likes this.
    07-21-2014 03:52 AM
  10. rdubmu's Avatar
    Similar problem on RT. The solution is to tap and hold which "pins" the drop down menu,
    This works, thank you so much! I just tried it on Metro IE on my surface pro and it works :)
    07-21-2014 04:08 AM
  11. hasasimo's Avatar
    Personal preference is a HUGE part of the decisions people make when it comes to their choice of phone. I am a big fan of Windows Phone and its overall aesthetic however I do wish that Microsoft would pick up the innovation just a tick. For instance, looking at the HTC One M8, and the LG G 3 I see two very cutting edge pieces of hardware that have distinct design languages that make the phones really stand out. I love my Lumia Icon and its built like a TANK, but the overall design aesthetic is a bit stodgy. The former phones have unique features and designs that add to the overall appeal of the devices, whereas the Nokia Lumia Icon has solid internals, a very good screen and camera that in and of themselves may not appeal to the masses as effectively as some of the other flagship android devices available right now.

    Frankly, I'm getting a little impatient waiting for a Microsoft branded flagship device that can go toe-to-toe with the best that Android or Apple have to offer. They can do it, they just need to get it done much sooner rather than later.
    I could not disagree more re aesthetics. Nokia is a veritable juggernaut in that department. From the Lumia 800 on through the 1520 and 930, the fashion-forward Lumia line is head and shoulders above the competition, and it's collection of design awards is no coincidence. The only OEM that may even be in the same galaxy is Sony. Aesthetically speaking, it's like comparing a European sports car to a bland, run-of-the-mill Asian sedan for me.
    07-21-2014 04:31 AM
  12. Great deal's Avatar
    So here's my argument. What if when apple release their iPhone 6 they reveal that it has the same specs as a Nintendo 64, but it runs like a well oiled machine zipping and zooming faster than ever before. Is the hardware going to deter customers? Definitely not. So what really is the "old hardware" argument really about?

    Does the 930 load apps quickly?
    Yes
    Does the 930 play HD video fluidly?
    Yes
    Is there any lag in gameplay on any game?
    No

    So what really is the argument? That all of our devises branched from the same basic idea and hardware? Should the hardware be more than a couple of months old, it still works, very well. Ok, newer devises run with a snapdragon 801. But do they need it? Probably not. The old hardware argument has been around since the stone age, never once being relevant.
    The issue I have is the price they are charging for old technology. The point is also that MS are trying to 'compete' with Android and Apple, they desperately need market share, we all know that the 930 is not the device to take on the best from the other 2, far from it. Its an average device and not really worth upgrading over a 920. I forgive them though as its one of Nokias last devices before MS start having much more control, and godamn it needs it! 920 had crazy battery/heat issues, 1020 same and colour issues, 930 from what ive read has same overheating issues and bad low light pics compared to the 920! and they want to charge you top dollar! NOOO no no nooo.
    07-21-2014 04:36 AM
  13. a5cent's Avatar
    Probably because in most if not all testing Apple comes out on top in terms of GPU performance and at times CPU despite being a dual core CPU. Granted its custom designed, but that is why no one gives apple crap regarding that.
    I think it has more to do with the sales pitches made to the fan bases.

    Apple never directly talks about specs. They may say a device is 60% faster than last generation, but they never speak of core count or GHz. They tend to pitch the hardware indirectly by showing what it can do.

    Contrast that to the Android space, where different hardware OEMs compete against each other, while using specs as a primary part of the sales pitch. Here, it's considered self evident that more cores is always better. In the Android space, the hardware is in itself considered to be a fundamental part of the value proposition, whereas in the Apple arena it's more the whole package that counts.

    Most of the tech press aligns themselves with one or the other view.

    In a way, the iPhone having "only" two cores even protects it from directly being compared to Android devices, because it just doesn't fit in with the popular belief that more cores is always better. Rather than change that belief, which for many would amount to admitting that they just don't understand CPU technology, it's more comfortable to just ignore that part of the iPhone.

    To sum up, it's the very different sales pitches, the different types of geek cultures, and the tech press aligning themselves with one or the other culture, that leads to Apple devices being judged/reviewed differently from Android devices.
    07-21-2014 04:55 AM
  14. amdybg40's Avatar
    I think it has more to do with the sales pitches made to the fan bases.

    Apple never directly talks about specs. They may say a device is 60% faster than last generation, but they never speak of core count or GHz. They tend to pitch the hardware indirectly by showing what it can do.

    Contrast that to the Android space, where different hardware OEMs compete against each other, while using specs as a primary part of the sales pitch. Here, it's considered self evident that more cores is always better. In the Android space, the hardware is in itself considered to be a fundamental part of the value proposition, whereas in the Apple arena it's more the whole package that counts.

    Most of the tech press aligns themselves with one or the other view.

    In a way, the iPhone having "only" two cores even protects it from directly being compared to Android devices, because it just doesn't fit in with the popular belief that more cores is always better. Rather than change that belief, which for many would amount to admitting that they just don't understand CPU technology, it's more comfortable to just ignore that part of the iPhone.

    To sum up, it's the very different sales pitches, the different types of geek cultures, and the tech press aligning themselves with one or the other culture, that leads to Apple devices being judged/reviewed differently from Android devices.
    Spot on, and is exactly why the press quote 64bit as a means of making the iPhone comparable to quad core droid devices.

    When review sites go for the easy job and compare cores and megapixels to highlight a good phone, the Apple product suddenly doesn't stack up, so they have to change their stance and bang on about 64bit "future proofing" so as not to bash the Apple product as seeming under powered (which it isn't)

    Trouble is, the 930 is unwittingly drawn in to the Core battle and with the S5, G3 and new Xiaomi Mi4 available with 805 CPU's, it only makes the Lumia look worse on paper to the consumer.
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    07-21-2014 05:12 AM
  15. Coreldan's Avatar
    That's a good point though, if 930 would've remained dual core, I think in some ways it would've gotten to "Apple's level" of "it doesn't need quad core" and they wouldnt have made much of a fuss about it. However now that the CPU is basically comparable, but still worse to the high end Androids, they get automatically compared.

    Not saying they should've remained dual core, but still.
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    07-21-2014 05:22 AM
  16. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    I find myself fanboying far too much. Yes 8.1 is a fantastic update, but lets take a few steps back and analyze this a little more broader. This update contains features that other os's had a very long time ago. Nothing really eye opening or jaw dropping. I love Windows Phone, I really do, but when you step back and look at it, 8.1 is becoming a little bit bloated for what it is actually going to bring. If I was the CEO of a major corporation trying to make a mobile os compete with other top contenders, I would make sure something like 8.1 was finished and released as soon as physically possible. Take ios for example, I don't like it, but just look at it. Ios 7 brought a load of bigger and better features to make it appeal to a larger crowd. Still, I think even though they are slightly knocking on my phone, it is the bare truth. The app gap, the slightly outdated hardware, and the lack of the Lumias ability to stand out is hurting the appeal to the larger crowd. To me, this was an unbiased truthful review and even though I don't like it, I have to accept it. And so does everyone. I still think windows phone is the best os IN MY OPINION, but on the fact sheet it is still lagging behind and that is very disappointing.
    ios 7 was a joke and a failure compared to ios 6
    it looks and performs terrible,one of the reasons i didnt update my idevices above 6.1.3 except for my ipad 3(ios 7.1)
    07-21-2014 05:28 AM
  17. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Spot on, and is exactly why the press quote 64bit as a means of making the iPhone comparable to quad core droid devices.

    When review sites go for the easy job and compare cores and megapixels to highlight a good phone, the Apple product suddenly doesn't stack up, so they have to change their stance and bang on about 64bit "future proofing" so as not to bash the Apple product as seeming under powered (which it isn't)

    Trouble is, the 930 is unwittingly drawn in to the Core battle and with the S5, G3 and new Xiaomi Mi4 available with 805 CPU's, it only makes the Lumia look worse on paper to the consumer.
    while i agree with your points,i must say xiaomi will be a flop thanks to its poor build,reception,camera and display
    just because they have snapdragon stuff for cheap doesnt mean they are perfect in every way or something(im not saying you said that,but thats my friends reaction,who ditched their samsungs for a xiaomi and found it to be sub par in reality)
    07-21-2014 05:30 AM
  18. amdybg40's Avatar
    while i agree with your points,i must say xiaomi will be a flop thanks to its poor build,reception,camera and display
    just because they have snapdragon stuff for cheap doesnt mean they are perfect in every way or something(im not saying you said that,but thats my friends reaction,who ditched their samsungs for a xiaomi and found it to be sub par in reality)
    For sure, the quality wont be there, but it's spec talk that the lazy review sites will tout repeatedly even without having one to test. One thing I absolutely hate about review channels is the vs features they make on products without even having used it! It's purely down to speculation of how the device will perform based on it's internals. Trouble is, this gets the average consumer excited and in to making rash purchases on pre-orders.

    CPW must hate me by now, as I always exercise my 14day right on distance selling with handsets. I use the phone for a few days, decide if it works for me or not, if not I return it. SIimple! I make my own choice's, I don't rely on reviews!
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    07-21-2014 05:43 AM
  19. a5cent's Avatar
    If 930 would've remained dual core, I think in some ways it would've gotten to "Apple's level" of "it doesn't need quad core" and they wouldnt have made much of a fuss about it.
    Except with the "it doesn't need quad core" statement, you've already fallen into the Android mindset. Most people will understand that to imply that for WP (or iOS) there exists an amount of computational performance that is enough. A point beyond which nobody NEEDS a better performing CPU. Despite its popularity in the WP community, that argument is utterly wrong and sure to put the person using it on the losing side of any performance related argument. As long as battery life remains acceptable, there is no such thing as "enough performance".

    When I (and Apple) say that two cores is enough, that isn't a statement about performance. It's a statement about software and CPU architecture and design. The point is, as long as users perceive a notable performance improvement, it doesn't matter if it is achieved with 1 or 100 cores.

    The fact that core-count is NOT a relevant metric for pushing iPhone sales, allows Apple to concentrate on building the technically best possible CPU to run iOS software, whereas Android OEMs, and hence also Qualcomm, must often prioritize marketing affects over the best possible CPU design.
    07-21-2014 06:28 AM
  20. Coreldan's Avatar
    Except with the "it doesn't need quad core" statement, you've already fallen into the Android mindset. Most people will understand that to imply that for WP (or iOS) there exists an amount of computational performance that is enough. A point beyond which nobody NEEDS a better performing CPU. Despite its popularity in the WP community, that argument is utterly wrong and sure to put the person using it on the losing side of any performance related argument. As long as battery life remains acceptable, there is no such thing as "enough performance".

    When I (and Apple) say that two cores is enough, that isn't a statement about performance. It's a statement about software and CPU architecture and design. The point is, as long as users perceive a notable performance improvement, it doesn't matter if it is achieved with 1 or 100 cores.

    The fact that core-count is NOT a relevant metric for pushing iPhone sales, allows Apple to concentrate on building the technically best possible CPU to run iOS software, whereas Android OEMs, and hence also Qualcomm, must often prioritize marketing affects over the best possible CPU design.
    And I agree.

    It's a recurring theme though. Right now it's about QHD screens I guess. I have no problems with that one day becoming the standard when both display and battery technology advance enough that it's not just a novelty that is more or less an inconvenience for the benefit it gives you. I guess there is always that "one feature" that is sort of ahead of it's time for it's own good. I never really cared much for the spec race in general, but at least to me it seemed quad cores where that at certain point, but now have more or less become the standard already.
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    07-21-2014 07:01 AM
  21. a5cent's Avatar
    And I agree.

    It's a recurring theme though. Right now it's about QHD screens I guess. I have no problems with that one day becoming the standard when both display and battery technology advance enough that it's not just a novelty that is more or less an inconvenience for the benefit it gives you. I guess there is always that "one feature" that is sort of ahead of it's time for it's own good. I never really cared much for the spec race in general, but at least to me it seemed quad cores where that at certain point, but now have more or less become the standard already.
    Yeah, guess so... they've become the standard at the expense of CPUs that could have given us even better performance on WP devices (in terms of calculations per watt).
    07-21-2014 07:29 AM
  22. StuBeck's Avatar
    Ignore! That's what i can say!
    Exactly! No reason to get up in arms about someone being silly about a review.
    07-21-2014 07:33 AM
  23. Chregu's Avatar
    ios 7 was a joke and a failure compared to ios 6
    it looks and performs terrible,one of the reasons i didnt update my idevices above 6.1.3 except for my ipad 3(ios 7.1)
    I much prefer the iOS 7 look to that of iOS 6, actually, before iOS 7 I could not have imagined buying an iOS device. With iOS 7 on my iPad Air I'm very happy and it performs very well. It might be worse on older hardware, but on the current generation it seems great to me.
    07-21-2014 07:45 AM
  24. Dave Bhullar's Avatar
    Not really an unbelievably awful review. The guy on the left is slightly biased but still both of them did their research and they know the capabilities of the phone and it's limitations. A review is unbelievably awful in my opinion if the reviewer has no idea about the phone, never used it before, but still makes it sound like they know what they are saying when clearly they don't. They also made some positive comments. I agree with about 90% of whatever both of them said about the phone and windows phone as an OS. Most of the points made were valid. You need to see from someone's perspective who is happy with android/iOS when you watch these kind of reviews.
    07-21-2014 08:02 AM
  25. Coreldan's Avatar
    A review is unbelievably awful in my opinion if the reviewer has no idea about the phone, never used it before, but still makes it sound like they know what they are saying when clearly they don't.
    Like that one lady from.. CNET I think? Anyways, she made an all professional seeming review about some Lumia while she didnt have a clue about half the basic features of the phone. Luckily she "moved on" somewhere else, I hope she got fired due to all the terrible feedback she got.
    07-21-2014 08:47 AM
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