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  1. ssapre's Avatar
    Only regrets are that I can't find any cases, an instruction manual would be nice and that Apple make it so difficult to swap my calendar and messaging data.
    Welcome aboard.
    Try searching for Lumia Icon cases. Since its same as 930, I think the cases should fit in nicely.
    07-25-2014 11:14 AM
  2. Great deal's Avatar
    Each to their own. If your happy with a phone that is going to be end of line faster than the 1020 was then great. I think its the tech urge in all of us to get the latest thing, and then to defend that decision at any cost as we don't want to feel like we made a wrong choice. I get all the arguments pro and con regarding the 930. Yes its the latest WP if you want the best today. Yes its too expensive for what it is. Yes WP doesn't need latest hardware for smooth experience. Yes..yes..yes

    For me and many others though its just not worth getting into a 2 year contract with this old technology. Just watch what happens in September when the iPhone 6 is out. The same people defending it today (probably due to purchasing it) will feel differently then. 12 months is a LOOOOOONG time in the world of technology and THATS the difference between the iPhone 6 and 930. However.... there is hope!!!

    MS will be unifying platform and releasing its OWN technology next year, not the half hearted 930 from Nokia where development halted due to takeover. How will you feel if you have to have another 12 months with 930 when the latest from MS and WP will be much much better at the same price if only you waited a few months. I say get the 930 if your sim only as you can sell the phone, if your in a 24 month contract its worth waiting or if you need the latest and greatest and just don't care then get it now too :)
    Last edited by Great deal; 07-25-2014 at 12:06 PM.
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    07-25-2014 11:51 AM
  3. DJCBS's Avatar
    I don't know why people are hating on it so much. Even my Apple fanboy friends are impressed by my phone, a few are even considering switching.

    If you had gotten one of the apparently many faulty units, you would understand.
    We're not hating on the phone. But it's god damn frustrating that we pay a premium price for a flagship and it comes plagued with problems. It's just not acceptable. If this was a 530, I'd understand it. It's a cheap phone. But a flagship? Misaligned cameras and headphone jacks, Clear Black that isn't clear black, terrible low light photo quality, abnormal heating upon set up, de-coloured screens... Sorry, it's just NOT acceptable.

    I still like the phone a lot. But after having to send mine to Nokia barely 1 week after I got it certainly leaves a sour taste. If Nokia hadn't left the phone business, I'd be seriously considering not buying another phone to them while course wasn't changed. Now I'm just contemplating what Sony does and at which point will I just switch to Sony. It's really really really frustrating and an utter disappointment.

    (Note: I know you'll all think I'm just hating on Microsoft, but the truth of the matter is, I've never had any problems with Nokia phones until the moment they got Windows Phone in them. I've had 4 high end WP/flagships: L800, L920, L1020 and L930. The L1020 was the only one that didn't need to go to Nokia a few weeks after I got it because of hardware problems.)
    07-25-2014 02:12 PM
  4. Great deal's Avatar
    If you had gotten one of the apparently many faulty units, you would understand.
    We're not hating on the phone. But it's god damn frustrating that we pay a premium price for a flagship and it comes plagued with problems. It's just not acceptable. If this was a 530, I'd understand it. It's a cheap phone. But a flagship? Misaligned cameras and headphone jacks, Clear Black that isn't clear black, terrible low light photo quality, abnormal heating upon set up, de-coloured screens... Sorry, it's just NOT acceptable.

    I still like the phone a lot. But after having to send mine to Nokia barely 1 week after I got it certainly leaves a sour taste. If Nokia hadn't left the phone business, I'd be seriously considering not buying another phone to them while course wasn't changed. Now I'm just contemplating what Sony does and at which point will I just switch to Sony. It's really really really frustrating and an utter disappointment.

    (Note: I know you'll all think I'm just hating on Microsoft, but the truth of the matter is, I've never had any problems with Nokia phones until the moment they got Windows Phone in them. I've had 4 high end WP/flagships: L800, L920, L1020 and L930. The L1020 was the only one that didn't need to go to Nokia a few weeks after I got it because of hardware problems.)
    That's one of the reasons Microsoft spent 7 billion. Now they are at work so OS works seamlessly with the hardware. However the OS is going through a LOT of change with next release, I expect a few bugs in the new phones when released next year but the direction MS are going is great, we will see a tight OS running like butter on top hardware next year. All the change is good. Unfortunately those of us who are coming up to renewing contracts are stuck in the middle of this transition just like MS are. I guess some people will leave, some of those will come back, some will wait it out as they can see what MS are doing and some will buy the old Nokia developed devices like 930, 1525 if it sees light of day.
    07-25-2014 02:48 PM
  5. Mazinger's Avatar
    To the OP with regards to Cortana, if you wanna try it out and see if it works well with your accent, you can have it working now.

    I don't have an aussie accent having grown up overseas but Cortana works fine with my standard Australian 930 from Harvey Norman.

    To use it just go to settings > language > add US English Language Pack then go to settings> region > change to united states then restart. That's it! When the phone boots, Cortana is ready and working. No ill effect of having US as a region yet for me except that I get the US app store which is in a way ok for Netflix etc.
    If you want to download aussie apps just revert back to Australia, restart, install your app, and go back to US and restart again to get Cortana back.
    07-25-2014 06:22 PM
  6. DJCBS's Avatar
    That's one of the reasons Microsoft spent 7 billion. Now they are at work so OS works seamlessly with the hardware. However the OS is going through a LOT of change with next release, I expect a few bugs in the new phones when released next year but the direction MS are going is great, we will see a tight OS running like butter on top hardware next year. All the change is good. Unfortunately those of us who are coming up to renewing contracts are stuck in the middle of this transition just like MS are. I guess some people will leave, some of those will come back, some will wait it out as they can see what MS are doing and some will buy the old Nokia developed devices like 930, 1525 if it sees light of day.
    With due respect, you don't believe that, do you? Microsoft never needed hardware to make OSs work well. They spent 7 billions because they had no other choice. It was either that or watch Nokia - the sole actor in the WP play - go Android.

    At any rate, I was thinking about overall quality standards at least on Lumia phones. But yeah, I actually only bought the 930 because it's Nokia's last phone. No other reason, really. Which is why all this frustration with it will probably lead me to replace it that soon. I didn't buy it because I think it's the last coke in the desert. =P

    But yes, let's see what Microsoft does, what happens what doesn't. I'm European so I don't have contracts with anyone. I change my phone whenever I please. It's a freedom I will never abdicate precisely because of things like these.
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    07-25-2014 08:01 PM
  7. anism's Avatar
    Are people really hating on it? I think it's a beautiful phone with an amazing hardware build.

    The only problem why I would never have bought it: It was on the market for almost half a year under the name Icon, the SoC is in phones for 9 months that cost almost half as much as the 930. And still, the 930 is priced in the range of current Android high-end devices. It's just too expensive in my eyes.
    I understand your point of having the greatest soc on market. But even 520 works great on WP OS so what's your point
    07-25-2014 08:25 PM
  8. JamesPTao's Avatar
    No offence but I find it hard to take seriously the opinion of someone who thinks the thickness of the 930 is comparable to that of an iPhone, unless of course you mean the iPhone 3G. The 930 is considerably thicker and heavier than an iPhone 5, not to mention larger which perhaps you also didn't notice.
    I'm glad you've got a fully functioning 930, it's good to know Nokia can get the odd fully functioning device out through the door. Mine, as mentioned elsewhere, creaks like buggery which, for a sealed device with no removable battery cover, is quite an achievement on their part.
    My Apple iPhone "fanboy" friends in contrast, have been silently sniggering at the less than premium feel of my 930. Ah well, back to Android...
    Personally when I hold a iPhone it feels like it was designed for a woman's hands. Too small and thin for me. Nokias always feel solid and like you own a quality piece of hardware which I like. Obviously you are a fanbou and doubt you have owned many Nokia phones, probably just mull over forums. Like everything 9 out of 10 people unhappy will tell everyone and 1-2 out of 10 will tell 10 people about a good experience. Have owned 9-10 nokias and they have all been great phones and dependable. No issues. Besides what about the reports of literally 75% of iPhone owners having broken screens that came out last year.
    07-25-2014 08:38 PM
  9. TechFreak1's Avatar
    I researched and bought a 930 the day it was released. It is a fantastic, high quality phone. Only slightly larger physically than my iPhone 4 but the screen is so much bigger and looks spectacular. Everyone who sees it is impressed. With MS Office, the great camera and the off-line GPS it is such a great phone for mobile business users. I was lost in Brisbane earlier this week then went to US (Atlanta) and got lost again. The GPS saved me every time. Really works well, but slides around the dash a bit. Have installed all of the iPhone apps I was using except one that did not have Win8 version. Had a 3 hour continuous Skype call on cellular data and battery dropped to 50%, which is not unreasonable. Battery fine otherwise. 4G network works great. Only regrets are that I can't find any cases, an instruction manual would be nice and that Apple make it so difficult to swap my calendar and messaging data. All they let you swap is the contacts. So glad to be off the Apple as it is so proprietary with small screen, lousy camera and not good for business use. The accountants have definitely taken over Apple since Steve Jobs died and now they are just maximizing profit to milk the fanboy market with a circa-2009 recycled product.
    Here, this might help you in regards to your calendar and messaging data:

    Switching from iPhone to Windows Phone | Windows Phone How-to (United States)

    Working on the go is a breeze with Windows Phone, there are some quirks that you need to know - mainly you can attach documents from only the office hub (via tap and hold on desired document then share) or use a file a manager like files (first party app from Microsoft) or a third party one like Pocket Explorer or Aerize Explorer and use "share" to attach multiple documents. However there is currently no way to attach multiple documents to an email chain natively, the only way round that is to use onedrive and share a link to the folder with the documents uploaded to said folder or use apps like MetroMail.
    Last edited by TechFreak1; 07-25-2014 at 11:11 PM.
    07-25-2014 10:47 PM
  10. cjono's Avatar
    Personally when I hold a iPhone it feels like it was designed for a woman's hands. Too small and thin for me. Nokias always feel solid and like you own a quality piece of hardware which I like. Obviously you are a fanbou and doubt you have owned many Nokia phones, probably just mull over forums. Like everything 9 out of 10 people unhappy will tell everyone and 1-2 out of 10 will tell 10 people about a good experience. Have owned 9-10 nokias and they have all been great phones and dependable. No issues. Besides what about the reports of literally 75% of iPhone owners having broken screens that came out last year.
    Why can't people on this forum take criticism of Windows Phone without resorting too "you must be an iPhone fanboy"..

    I agree with the poster, the Lumia 930 (which i own, and have owned a 920 last year) is way to thick and chunky for a top end smartphone in 2014..Look at HTC One M8, iPhone 5s even the Sony Z2..much thinner yet look great with design

    Why can't Nokia/MSFT figure this out? Its a device that you hold in your hands!

    those who own a 930/920/1020/1520 can you honestly say after holding for a few minutes your hands dont feel fatigued?

    I do want a bigger iPhone and i have already decided to sell the 930 as not only does the hardware not match my expectations (love the display however, despite my purple hue) and the OS is lacking some key services/apps that iOS has.

    Also i would love to get your stats on the 75% iPhone owners have broken screens..do you realise how many people that would be, literally 100 million customers or more..You don't need to make stuff up like this all smartphones can be damaged, there is even a 930 poster in here who damaged his phone. I can now say almost 50% of 930 owners break their smartphones based on that tiny bit of evidence.
    07-26-2014 02:59 AM
  11. Loco5150's Avatar
    I had the 920. As a Nokia and WP lover I can say with pure mind, that it was heave and cluncky. Seriously not very elegant design.

    I switched to Ativ-S. I dont like Sammy as a company too much, but this device is hands down better than the L920 was. Better design, lighter and sleeker. Way better batterytime. Only thing I miss is the Lumias camera, but obviously I can live without it as I am now with Ativ over a year later. Over a year, thats a very long time for me with a device and I dont think I need to change either. I hoped to go for the L930, but no micro sd support and what Ive read, the heavy design (havent had one in hand yet) I probably will pass.
    07-26-2014 03:22 AM
  12. Brian McMahon's Avatar
    Anybody who seriously can't hold a Nokia in their hand without getting fatigue or it feeling too chunky then you need to stop holding something else in your hand as this may be causing too much muscle stress!!

    There's plenty choice out there for moving to another platform and loads of other devices.

    My 930/1020/1520 are superb in the hand, I prefer my 1520 most of the time due to size of my hands. The 930 is a great phone which using one handed is very fast and fluid and even though it's old tech does exactly what most people want in a phone.
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    07-26-2014 03:52 AM
  13. Chregu's Avatar
    I understand your point of having the greatest soc on market. But even 520 works great on WP OS so what's your point
    The price. It's not about the phone, it certainly performes very well, it's about the hardware components that are pretty old and should therefore be cheaper.
    07-26-2014 04:24 AM
  14. cjono's Avatar
    Anybody who seriously can't hold a Nokia in their hand without getting fatigue or it feeling too chunky then you need to stop holding something else in your hand as this may be causing too much muscle stress!!



    There's plenty choice out there for moving to another platform and loads of other devices.



    My 930/1020/1520 are superb in the hand, I prefer my 1520 most of the time due to size of my hands. The 930 is a great phone which using one handed is very fast and fluid and even though it's old tech does exactly what most people want in a phone.

    Well i haven't found it comfortable..as someone who owned and used the HTC M7, nexus 4 and an S4 they where way more light and comfortable.

    Typical WP users have to resort to name calling or slamming someone who finds fault with their products.
    07-26-2014 04:50 AM
  15. Brian McMahon's Avatar
    Well i haven't found it comfortable..as someone who owned and used the HTC M7, nexus 4 and an S4 they where way more light and comfortable.

    Typical WP users have to resort to name calling or slamming someone who finds fault with their products.
    The comment was meant tongue in cheek. It's a pity you haven't found it comfortable compared to an android phone but I know plenty females with smaller hands who use 1020's as their daily drivers and don't have any problem with them.

    My Apologies if you thought I was slamming anyone who finds a fault with the product but considering I have an iPhone 5s and a GS5 as well i'm not your typical WP user!
    07-26-2014 05:09 AM
  16. Liam Bryce's Avatar
    Well i haven't found it comfortable..as someone who owned and used the HTC M7, nexus 4 and an S4 they where way more light and comfortable.

    Typical WP users have to resort to name calling or slamming someone who finds fault with their products.
    Maybe I'm just used to my 10 foot dong but I find the 930 light for its size.
    07-26-2014 06:55 AM
  17. cjono's Avatar
    Maybe I'm just used to my 10 foot dong but I find the 930 light for its size.
    very mature
    07-26-2014 08:01 AM
  18. cjono's Avatar
    The comment was meant tongue in cheek. It's a pity you haven't found it comfortable compared to an android phone but I know plenty females with smaller hands who use 1020's as their daily drivers and don't have any problem with them.

    My Apologies if you thought I was slamming anyone who finds a fault with the product but considering I have an iPhone 5s and a GS5 as well i'm not your typical WP user!
    the 930 is a great phone, IMO top 3 in terms of design (iPhone 5s and HTC M8 the other 2) just let down by its weight and thickness.

    If it was the same weight/thickness of the One M8 i would be much happier with it. I would be happy to lose wireless charging, even though it is cool, to shave the size of it.

    In all honesty its about 90% close to being almost perfect in terms of HW and design..just let down again
    07-26-2014 08:03 AM
  19. Coreldan's Avatar
    the 930 is a great phone, IMO top 3 in terms of design (iPhone 5s and HTC M8 the other 2) just let down by its weight and thickness.

    If it was the same weight/thickness of the One M8 i would be much happier with it. I would be happy to lose wireless charging, even though it is cool, to shave the size of it.

    In all honesty its about 90% close to being almost perfect in terms of HW and design..just let down again
    That's just your opinion though. If it was 130g or so, I wouldn't have even bought it. For me weight plays a massive role in how high quality the device feels. I guess it could be slimmer, but at no point have I thought "hey, this is thick". It feels just normal to me, but then again I come from a 920 :P

    So at least if it was 130-140g, it would be a let down for me. I'm glad Nokia isn't so dead set on low weight, cos like.. ALL other flagships are that light and I don't want them. Before I bought the 930 I seriously considered a Sony Xperia Z2, although it was a bit too big for my taste, it's weight was just about the minimum I accept, 163g. Anything less than that starts to feel like a toy at these sizes. I mean my N8 was 3,5" and "only" 130g or so, but that was OK cos it's porportionate to the size. That size on a 5" device or more feels like a Fisher Price toy.
    07-26-2014 08:13 AM
  20. Great deal's Avatar
    With due respect, you don't believe that, do you? Microsoft never needed hardware to make OSs work well. They spent 7 billions because they had no other choice. It was either that or watch Nokia - the sole actor in the WP play - go Android.

    At any rate, I was thinking about overall quality standards at least on Lumia phones. But yeah, I actually only bought the 930 because it's Nokia's last phone. No other reason, really. Which is why all this frustration with it will probably lead me to replace it that soon. I didn't buy it because I think it's the last coke in the desert. =P

    But yes, let's see what Microsoft does, what happens what doesn't. I'm European so I don't have contracts with anyone. I change my phone whenever I please. It's a freedom I will never abdicate precisely because of things like these.
    There is not a company in the world that would spend 7 billion because they had no choice. Its exactly because they had a choice that they did. Its not clear cut black and white and many factors in place for them to make that decision, yes the fear factor from Android however Elop the MS man would not have let that happen. Fact is he drove the company into the ground and MS snapped it up. MS had/have the surface phone as a backup and we may see that released next year. MS have never needed hardware for OS before correct. Today that is no longer the case, they are doing what Apple have done very successfully, control both hardware and software with the added benefit of allowing other OEM's to use the OS as well. Good times are coming, im also European and have been in 24 month contracts but maybe go sim only next time.
    07-26-2014 11:47 AM
  21. Squachy's Avatar
    The price. It's not about the phone, it certainly performes very well, it's about the hardware components that are pretty old and should therefore be cheaper.
    The hardware components are not that old to begin with. Sure its 1 years old in tech life (which is an eternity) but the successor (which is more like a stopgap) SoC is actually just an overclocked version of it. Theres barely anything different between the snapdragon 800 and 801 other than clockspeed. The true sort of successor is the 805 and its just starting to make its way to a handful of units. Someone else put it nicely, the 801 exists just so that no one will get bored of the snapdragon before the 805 since there is pretty much nothing between the 800 release and the 805 release. The hardware seems to be moving at a 6month cycle (much like graphics cards did on the PC) and that makes for very rapid obsoletion. Your handset will be outdated as soon as you purchase it. Besides the 800 series is no slouch, the best thing about high end chipsets is that they'll be easily capable of handling things for a couple years before they'd be considered slow.

    In terms of pricing, it should be lower. All flagships pretty much cost the same anyway so a high price is expected and im not expecting Nexus 5 pricing (which is the lowest of all the android flagships, it undercuts everything). But the Lumia is missing features and gimmicks that the android competition has. It should be price aligned with the predecessors to the current android flagships (which seems to cost about 100-150 dollars more). It would also make it more attractive, outside of some areas it seems to cost MORE than the current android flagships....

    Weight: You guys who have your thin androids with cases...you should measure how much it weighs with those cases on. The handsets themselves may be featherweights but a case adds a fair bit of heft ad thickness to it.....If the 930 is uncomfortable to hold, its probably more for the shape without a case than it is for the heft. My dad has a Galaxy S4, he put a case on it so its a little thicker (its still pretty light). My sister has a Nexus 5, she put a case on it. My friend has an HTC One M7 (last years)....he put a case on it. It was already a bit more heavy than the others cuz its made of metal. But its also much thicker now cuz of the case. My GF has an iPhone 5, it just feels damn small, she has a case on it. I never put a case on my 710. I had a case on my optimus 7 long ago but took it off when it started acting up and I never put it back on (it was actually too thick with it on). With the case, your hands are gripping rubber and now you're not feeling the phone but the softness of the rubber which could be more comfortable cuz its softer.

    Also I must add, a lot of perceived thickness and comfort comes from the edges of the device and how it is shaped. I have a Lumia 710. I think its thicker than everything mentioned in this thread (its like 12mm thick ) but it doesn't feel that way because all that thickness comes at the middle of the back of the devices, and it tapers towards the edges (the edges themselves are like 5mm). The Lumia 930 is pretty much a rectangular slab much like the iPhone with 'sharp' edges. The HTC One is similar but thinner. Xperia and galaxy and I think the LG has rounded edges.

    In any case, I bought myself a 930. Its pretty much the phone I wanted last year (a 1020 with snapdragon 800) but minus the 41mpx camera lol. Whats coming up on the WP pipeline is a mystery and I really didn't want to keep waiting. You keep waiting you're never going to get what you want because you'll always wait for the next best thing that is just going to be outdated in 6 months anyways.
    Last edited by Squachy; 07-26-2014 at 01:32 PM.
    07-26-2014 01:15 PM
  22. Jef Delcroix's Avatar
    Hi, since you switched from a L925 what do you think about the size, one hand usage and weight in comparison with the 925?
    I really love my L925 buit always want the newest thing
    07-28-2014 08:23 AM
  23. zipro's Avatar
    Are people really hating on it? I think it's a beautiful phone with an amazing hardware build.

    The only problem why I would never have bought it: It was on the market for almost half a year under the name Icon, the SoC is in phones for 9 months that cost almost half as much as the 930. And still, the 930 is priced in the range of current Android high-end devices. It's just too expensive in my eyes.
    at least here in Switzerland, it's considerably cheaper than, say, an HTC M8, Galaxy S5, iPhone 5S, LG G3 etc. The iPhone 5S costs around 800$, the M8 is about 650$, the Galaxy S5 is about 620$. The Lumia 930 is 560$. That's unlocked, including tax. Provider options with subscriptions are a different issue, but that's hardly Microsoft's fault.
    07-29-2014 10:01 AM
  24. Chregu's Avatar
    at least here in Switzerland, it's considerably cheaper than, say, an HTC M8, Galaxy S5, iPhone 5S, LG G3 etc. The iPhone 5S costs around 800$, the M8 is about 650$, the Galaxy S5 is about 620$. The Lumia 930 is 560$. That's unlocked, including tax. Provider options with subscriptions are a different issue, but that's hardly Microsoft's fault.
    Lumia 930: 542 Franke, Glaxy S5: 589 Franke, HTC One M8: 608 Franke, LG G3: 552 Franke.

    Everything from toppreise.ch.

    That makes the 930 slightly less expensive, but it features cheaper hardware and a less popular operation system. The Sony Xperia Z1 Compact that features similar hardware costs only 339 Franke after all.

    And yes, I realize that I compare the 32 GB Lumia 930 to the 16 GB versions of the competition, however the other phones all feature expandable storage, and a 16 GB SD card costs almost nothing.
    07-29-2014 10:30 AM
  25. zipro's Avatar
    Lumia 930: 542 Franke, Glaxy S5: 589 Franke, HTC One M8: 608 Franke, LG G3: 552 Franke.

    Everything from toppreise.ch.

    That makes the 930 slightly less expensive, but it features cheaper hardware and a less popular operation system. The Sony Xperia Z1 Compact that features similar hardware costs only 339 Franke after all.

    And yes, I realize that I compare the 32 GB Lumia 930 to the 16 GB versions of the competition, however the other phones all feature expandable storage, and a 16 GB SD card costs almost nothing.

    The hardware difference is close to non-existent. The S5 costs more and is extremely cheaply built. The Z1 isn't even made anymore, Sony is just selling off stock. As Sony releases new phones every few months, the Z1 isn't actually an old device. It's just not produced anymore as it has been superseded by the Z2. The oldest of the bunch is the iPhone 5S, which you've conveniently chosen to leave out. I agree, you get the most bang for the buck from the M8 at the moment, but that one has a lousy, two-year old camera and HTC is behind in terms of software updates. The S5 has a lousy build, so does the LG G3 (which also happens to have huge performance issues, just read the reviews on Digitec.ch). I maintain that the 930 actually is priced quite competitively. Also, we're talking about thr initial sales price here - the S5 was much more expensive when it was released a few months ago. And as you correctly pointed out, this is the 16gb version we're talking about here. You'll need to buy a microSD card to achieve the same amount of storage, and memory cards are known to cause performance issues on Android phones, so these aren't an option for many people, despite the phones having card slots.
    07-29-2014 03:23 PM
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