09-02-2014 02:07 PM
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  1. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Can everybody stop complaining about the battery size? Do you really believe that Nokia had any room left with the camera tech, wireless charging, and any other nit picky tech that's going on in the phone that they just couldn't fit a bigger battery? The same goes for the lack of a MicroSD slot, Nokia didn't have enough room for it after everything they forced into the small chassis of the 930/ Icon.

    Biggest thing they can do to put a bigger battery is increase the size of the 900 series again, and of they do, I'd prefer a MicroSD slot over a bigger battery, but that may be just me.
    With the size of these devices and the tech inside them, I am SURE they could of fit a MicroSD slot if they wanted to. By shifting things around in the phone, they could of made it happen with minor size difference. It's been a known thing with Nokia and high end models not to include expandable storage, look over all the high end models over the last year or 2.

    Products like the 930 or ICON are designed months in advance, if not years. The Phone was based off the 800 chip, not the 801. With the release of the ICON, it was in the timeframe of the chipset as the 801 was a new chip on the time it was released on Verizon. The 930 only had a minor upgrade before it was released (for the GSM radios) and color options. They were NOT going to re-design the whole phone around a newer chip, the cost to do that would out weigh the benefit to the consumer. Never mind the profits would be lost on a great phone but, is not exactly going to sell billions.

    The battery is a sore subject with me anyway. Sure it's enough for most people to make a full day, for the most part but, We live in a day where memory is faster, quad core CPUs on phones but, we still use the same tech on batteries that we used 10 years ago. Just wish someone would build a better tech for batteries where we could go 30 days with out a single charge.

    Just think, in 10 years from now, phones will be 1/2 of the size we have today(nano-chipsets), like credit card sized items but, due to the batteries, they will never get that small...It's the only tech holding phones back.
    08-30-2014 08:19 AM
  2. jpal12's Avatar
    The icon was originally scheduled for release last September. That is why it has bad specs.
    08-30-2014 08:23 AM
  3. jpal12's Avatar
    And the snapdragon 800 and 801 are the same chip. They just rebranded the faster variants to make it seem like they made progress. The 801 is not more efficient, but things like the video decoder are faster, using the same power.
    08-30-2014 08:28 AM
  4. jpal12's Avatar
    If you wanted to, you could solder the 801 off a galaxy s5 and solder it on the 930, at least in theory. You may need slightly newer drivers though.
    08-30-2014 06:46 PM
  5. anon5999636's Avatar
    I think my Lumia 920 battery life is good. Of course the Lumia 930 would be good too. And one more thing: I think Wireless charging have to be optional and not a obligation. This would be more competitive and would give more internal space for better batteries.
    08-30-2014 08:14 PM
  6. psiu_glen's Avatar
    I think my Lumia 920 battery life is good. Of course the Lumia 930 would be good too. And one more thing: I think Wireless charging have to be optional and not a obligation. This would be more competitive and would give more internal space for better batteries.
    More competitive? To have less feature? Wireless charging basically adds nothing to the thickness of the phone. This was shown most clearly when it retrofitted into the Lumia 925 which supposedly required the clunky snap on cover to add it. It's a sticker somewhere in the back, and some minor circuitry changes.

    Adding wireless charging did not change the battery size of the Lumia 930, Nokia got what they could in there, and while perhaps they could have squeezed more in, I would wager it would have taken quite a design change to eke out a minimal improvement.
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    08-30-2014 10:22 PM
  7. anon5999636's Avatar
    More competitive? To have less feature? Wireless charging basically adds nothing to the thickness of the phone. This was shown most clearly when it retrofitted into the Lumia 925 which supposedly required the clunky snap on cover to add it. It's a sticker somewhere in the back, and some minor circuitry changes.

    Adding wireless charging did not change the battery size of the Lumia 930, Nokia got what they could in there, and while perhaps they could have squeezed more in, I would wager it would have taken quite a design change to eke out a minimal improvement.
    Yes, more competitive. Microsoft should launch Lumias with more options. I dont want wireless charging. I want a good battery life and competitive hardware. We all know that Windows Phone dont need outstanding hardware, but this kind of things sale phones!
    08-31-2014 08:42 AM
  8. Lee Power's Avatar
    Apart from a xenon flash for the camera & a sd card slot, the Lumia 930 gets the hardware spot on.

    I get the feeling a lot of the people moaning about battery life on the 930 have either got loads of app's running in background OR location services / NFC constantly running.

    As for wireless charging, I actually think it's a good idea, I can just place the phone on the charging plate on my desk & pick it up again when needed which in turn saves wear & tear on the micro usb port.
    08-31-2014 09:10 AM
  9. colinkiama's Avatar
    I don't understand why you guys even care. Loading is fast, great camera, battery can get you through the day. Specs don't show you how the phone will actually on a day to day basis, especially with windows phone. Maybe you guys are used to android so much. iPhone 5S has an A7 dual core processor clocked at 1.3ghz. Its was one the fastest mobile processor in benchmarks last year , beating phones like S4 and z1 . As long as the OS is optimized, like windows phone is. The specs are fine with this phone
    08-31-2014 09:24 AM
  10. psiu_glen's Avatar
    Yes, more competitive. Microsoft should launch Lumias with more options. I dont want wireless charging. I want a good battery life and competitive hardware. We all know that Windows Phone dont need outstanding hardware, but this kind of things sale phones!
    Again, more ccompetitive how? By REMOVING a feature that has NOTHING to do with the current battery capacity issue?
    08-31-2014 10:51 AM
  11. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    I don't understand why you guys even care. Loading is fast, great camera, battery can get you through the day. Specs don't show you how the phone will actually on a day to day basis, especially with windows phone. Maybe you guys are used to android so much. iPhone 5S has an A7 dual core processor clocked at 1.3ghz. Its was one the fastest mobile processor in benchmarks last year , beating phones like S4 and z1 . As long as the OS is optimized, like windows phone is. The specs are fine with this phone
    yep totally agree
    android is the only os which doesnt perform well on low end hardware,has viruses and malware even in its own play store,has bad battery life etc
    BB10,WP,iOS have proven that hardware specs dont mean everything
    anon5999636 likes this.
    08-31-2014 10:52 AM
  12. anon5999636's Avatar
    yep totally agree
    android is the only os which doesnt perform well on low end hardware,has viruses and malware even in its own play store,has bad battery life etc
    BB10,WP,iOS have proven that hardware specs dont mean everything
    Everybody knows here that hardware specs dont mean everything. BUT The average users care about it. It sells phones! I'm talking about the commercial side of the problem.
    Karthik Naik likes this.
    08-31-2014 11:01 AM
  13. anon5999636's Avatar
    Again, more ccompetitive how? By REMOVING a feature that has NOTHING to do with the current battery capacity issue?
    Better prices, just that. And wireless charging add 1mm to the phone. Im just talking about give users more options. Just that simple. If you like this feauture good for you. For me its irrelevant. If we have a Phone without this feature, the price will go down. Specially here in Brazil, where the price is terrible.
    08-31-2014 11:07 AM
  14. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Everybody knows here that hardware specs dont mean everything. BUT The average users care about it. It sells phones! I'm talking about the commercial side of the problem.
    thats true i guess sadly
    anon5999636 likes this.
    08-31-2014 11:49 AM
  15. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Better prices, just that. And wireless charging add 1mm to the phone. Im just talking about give users more options. Just that simple. If you like this feauture good for you. For me its irrelevant. If we have a Phone without this feature, the price will go down. Specially here in Brazil, where the price is terrible.
    it doesnt cost much to add wireless charging etc though i do agree other than usa and uk, phones are overpriced everywhere even in india
    08-31-2014 11:50 AM
  16. th34monk3ys's Avatar
    I was so slow, but now I realise why the new July 2014 uses last year's slower 2013 Snapdragon 800 processor, and a smaller 2420 mAH capacity battery.
    It's actually because the Nokia Lumia 930 is actually based on the February 2014 Nokia Lumia Icon - sold exclusively to Verizon in the USA!
    That's why the Icon uses a name rather than a number, and that's why the Icon has an aluminium chassis.

    However, somehow, someone wanted the Verizon based 930 release to be delayed, so that combined with the updated WindowsPhone 8.1 before it was to be released to the rest of the world in July 2014.

    Unfortunately, by this late time, the HTC One M8 had already been released in March 2014 with the newer and quicker Snapdragon 801 processor, and a slightly bigger 2600 mAH battery.
    Likewise in April 2014, the all new Samsung Galaxy S5 was released with the newer quicker Snapdragon 801, and an even bigger 2800 mAH battery.

    Thus at this point in time, the Lumia 930 is in need of a quick update to catch up to the top selling Samsung Galaxy S5, and to a lesser extent, the HTC One M8, especially from the battery run time point of view.
    My wife's Samsung Galaxy S5 battery run time is not very good at all; the Lumia 930's is even worse.

    At least now we know the reason why the Lumia 930's processor, battery capacity and battery life is behind its two biggest competitors - the Galaxy S5 and the One M8...
    The processor doesn't matter the phone main drags are wifi/Bluetooth and screen not the processor for battery life this topic is waste of time. The processors efficiency probably means you get 15 mins extra not hugely beneficial.

    For those arguing how long battery life my 1520 gets 2 full days with lots of work but can push to 5 days! With phone normal usage (texts and calls). 3400ma battery rocks extra usage.

    In terms of using dual core/ quad core, 1gb ram/2gb ram the o/s is designed to use extra power when needed. Ie taking 1080p video with 5.1 surround sound will use full power of sd800 and 2gb ram. To the .7% battery drain from WiFi and Bluetooth on getting emails,texts calls, music to car ups it to 1%.

    Strange fact facebook can produce 12% drain on battery per hour.

    Battery % is from battery sense pro app (paid version)

    Hope this help
    08-31-2014 12:20 PM
  17. muvig's Avatar
    i wish they would make phones with different battery capacities just like what Apple does on Storage (16Gig, 32Gig e.t.c) so that customers may chose depending on your taste i.e. weight (2000 mAh lighter, 3600 mAh heavier e.t.c),

    this would give a choice to some of us who do not mind the weight as long as the phone's power last at least 24 hrs with normal usage
    Peter Harvey likes this.
    08-31-2014 12:33 PM
  18. colinkiama's Avatar
    i wish they would make phones with different battery capacities just like what Apple does on Storage (16Gig, 32Gig e.t.c) so that customers may chose depending on your taste i.e. weight (2000 mAh lighter, 3600 mAh heavier e.t.c),

    this would give a choice to some of us who do not mind the weight as long as the phone's power last at least 24 hrs with normal usage
    They just need to add an sd card and thois would be the perfect windows phone. imo. Removable battery should be only for the 830 downwards, cases make the phone look cheap.
    08-31-2014 01:30 PM
  19. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Yes, more competitive. Microsoft should launch Lumias with more options. I dont want wireless charging. I want a good battery life and competitive hardware. We all know that Windows Phone dont need outstanding hardware, but this kind of things sale phones!
    but, you are not getting it. With wireless charging it does not add any real thickness to the phone, it's a little thicker than 2 pieces of duct tape stuck together, when internal, it would not make the phone smaller with out it. This would not change the size of the phone and weight is so minor no one would be even able to feel the difference.

    So, your asking for 2 of the same phones, one with wireless charging and one with out, Same price, same size but, one is lacking a feature that a lot of people DO want. ? Really ? Less features for the same money ?

    Your logic here does not make any sense. If you don't use it, don't use it but, don't wish away features that a lot of people use and want. It's like MicroSD on phones, a ton of people want it but, there is a ton of people who have it on their phone and never use it.

    It's nice to have the feature and if you use it, cool, if you don't, then no big loss.
    08-31-2014 03:09 PM
  20. hasasimo's Avatar
    Wireless charging is an awesome feature and one of the reasons I'm on Windows Phone. If Apple started giving the iPhone Qi support it would be hailed as groundbreaking and innovative.
    08-31-2014 06:18 PM
  21. anon5999636's Avatar
    but, you are not getting it. With wireless charging it does not add any real thickness to the phone, it's a little thicker than 2 pieces of duct tape stuck together, when internal, it would not make the phone smaller with out it. This would not change the size of the phone and weight is so minor no one would be even able to feel the difference.

    So, your asking for 2 of the same phones, one with wireless charging and one with out, Same price, same size but, one is lacking a feature that a lot of people DO want. ? Really ? Less features for the same money ?

    Your logic here does not make any sense. If you don't use it, don't use it but, don't wish away features that a lot of people use and want. It's like MicroSD on phones, a ton of people want it but, there is a ton of people who have it on their phone and never use it.

    It's nice to have the feature and if you use it, cool, if you don't, then no big loss.
    I never said "Same price, same size but, one is lacking a feature." Read with more attention. What I proposed was various versions with differents features, differents prices for differentes users. So: If there are users that dont want wireless charging and there is a phone with a good price.... And again: There is a Lumia 1520 version with no wireless charging that is a little less thicker and lighter.
    Last edited by Artur Linck; 08-31-2014 at 07:38 PM.
    08-31-2014 07:07 PM
  22. anon5999636's Avatar
    it doesnt cost much to add wireless charging etc though i do agree other than usa and uk, phones are overpriced everywhere even in india
    Oh yes... I'm saying this based in Brazil (my country). I know that USA and other countries have better prices. The Lumia 930 is $826 with no contract here. A Lumia 930 without wireless charging would be something like $739. And here in Brazil it makes a difference, because in Reais you have to multiplicate the price by 2,30 (more os less the US$ cotation). 0.0
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    09-01-2014 08:15 AM
  23. Lee Power's Avatar
    Oh yes... I'm saying this based in Brazil (my country). I know that USA and other countries have better prices. The Lumia 930 is $826 with no contract here. A Lumia 930 without wireless charging would be something like $739. And here in Brazil it makes a difference, because in Reais you have to multiplicate the price by 2,30 (more os less the US$ cotation). 0.0
    UK launch price of the 930 sim free was 441 which in todays exchange rate is $1639 in your Brazilian money, you still feeling hard done by now?
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    09-01-2014 11:05 AM
  24. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    Oh yes... I'm saying this based in Brazil (my country). I know that USA and other countries have better prices. The Lumia 930 is $826 with no contract here. A Lumia 930 without wireless charging would be something like $739. And here in Brazil it makes a difference, because in Reais you have to multiplicate the price by 2,30 (more os less the US$ cotation). 0.0
    yep same here,we dont have the icon/930 here yet but an iphone 5S costs $900 here and a 1520 costs $850 which is really pricey and unfair
    nokia should have priced the upper models and lower models properly , mid range phones like the 720(always priced well since the start) and later on the 920,820 and recently 925(price drops)
    given by the way moto has priced its phones in india,i hope moto comes up with a windows phone once its completely free from google and is acquired by lenovo,that could help windows phone sales in lower end(i didnt like the 630 pricing and features much ,its not a bad phone but it could have been better)
    i hope nokia makes phones like the 720 again but with more ram
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    09-01-2014 11:10 AM
  25. Karthik Naik's Avatar
    UK launch price of the 930 sim free was 441 which in todays exchange rate is $1639 in your Brazilian money, you still feeling hard done by now?
    thats some harsh pricing i think all these companies should start taking pricing seriously in countries other than USA(and UK for some phones)
    09-01-2014 11:14 AM
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