10-23-2014 07:12 PM
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  1. akin_t's Avatar
    Not a noise free, but the difference is HUUUUUUUUGE. You can make a test. Take a pic with ISO 1600. Look at DNG and JPEG. The difference is really something. Not only noise, but the colours too. And it's not about postprocessing.



    Sorry, man, I have a Lumia 925 too and 930 is better in low light if you use the SAME SETTINGS. That's the problem with auto mode, Lumia 930 tends to use ISO 1600 or higher in some situations, which is veeery bad. The aperture size on 925 only brings a lot of unnecessary noise.

    I can prove if you insist. I can take low light pics now if you want! I have both with me.

    And yes, like I say before, Lumia 1020 have more detailed pictures, but I definitely wouldn't change this for better colours and better dynamic range. But it's me. The great thing on Lumia 1020 is the Xenon Flash. It's reaaaaally awesome and make big difference, inded.

    Here the 925x930 comparison I made (I made it very quick, sorry for 4:3 x 16:9 and not very accurate angles)

    http://1drv.ms/1tHNAIM

    A little example:

    925 ISO 800 1s
    http://abload.de/img/wp_20141009_21_54_46_1zjm9.jpg

    930 ISO 800 1s
    http://abload.de/img/wp_20141009_21_53_58_imkup.jpg

    So there's no such thing like "925 is better for low lights because the aperture size". The difference is only that 925 have a bad post processing changing black shadows for green shadows. This problem also happens with Lumia 920 or Lumia 1020.

    So this is why I think 930/1520 have the best Lumia camera for now.
    Lol, how can you have the same settings if the 930 is limited to f/2.4? That's as wide as the aperture will open. It's impossible to have the same settings.
    10-12-2014 12:30 PM
  2. anon(5841099)'s Avatar
    Not a noise free, but the difference is HUUUUUUUUGE. You can make a test. Take a pic with ISO 1600. Look at DNG and JPEG. The difference is really something. Not only noise, but the colours too. And it's not about postprocessing.
    It is all about post processing. Here's your test:


    full-jpg


    full-raw

    Yes, the second one is the RAW/DNG file. Loaded into PhotoShop, no post processing applied, no noise reduction (turned down the default Camera Raw settings to 0). The DNG is even worse because of all the color noise.

    Here are 100% crops:


    crop-jpg


    crop-raw

    The reason the DNG is so different is because it has no post processing done. The JPG has been processed by Nokia Camera with lots of noise reduction, nearly +3EV exposure correction and some highlight and shadow processing. After applying the same kind of corrections to the DNG in Photoshop you will end up with nearly identical images. Neither of them much better than the other regarding noise.

    The only reason you might be seeing less noise in the DNG file is because either the JPG has been processed in a way that makes the noise more visible or you loaded the DNG into Photoshop/Lightroom with the default noise reduction settings. Or a combination of both. If I process the DNG sample above with a slight change in white balance, some noise reduction and no exposure correction, it gives me a much better quality image than the JPG. And that why shooting in DNG is all about post processing.
    10-14-2014 07:00 PM
  3. arnark's Avatar
    wp_20141013_22_48_01_pro__highres.jpg I'm quite happy with my 930 camera . Iso-100 ,shutter 4s no edit or filtered .
    10-14-2014 08:07 PM
  4. Rodrigo Mendes's Avatar
    It is all about post processing. Here's your test:

    https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5599/...131d7780_c.jpg
    full-jpg

    https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5599/...52ce3e5f_c.jpg
    full-raw

    Yes, the second one is the RAW/DNG file. Loaded into PhotoShop, no post processing applied, no noise reduction (turned down the default Camera Raw settings to 0). The DNG is even worse because of all the color noise.

    Here are 100% crops:

    https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5609/...bff97bac_o.jpg
    crop-jpg

    https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3946/...9fbce024_o.jpg
    crop-raw

    The reason the DNG is so different is because it has no post processing done. The JPG has been processed by Nokia Camera with lots of noise reduction, nearly +3EV exposure correction and some highlight and shadow processing. After applying the same kind of corrections to the DNG in Photoshop you will end up with nearly identical images. Neither of them much better than the other regarding noise.

    The only reason you might be seeing less noise in the DNG file is because either the JPG has been processed in a way that makes the noise more visible or you loaded the DNG into Photoshop/Lightroom with the default noise reduction settings. Or a combination of both. If I process the DNG sample above with a slight change in white balance, some noise reduction and no exposure correction, it gives me a much better quality image than the JPG. And that why shooting in DNG is all about post processing.
    I know how DNG works and JPEG as well.

    It's a shame I don't have this particular picture in JPEG anymore. If you understand about Lumia photography, you will know that JPEG picture was reaaaaaaally bad because ISO 1600 just ruin everything.

    But, how you can see below, the DNG is absolutely gorgeous even on ISO 1600. I just use the noise reduction, but if you ask, I can upload the original too. It's really a shame that I don't have the JPEG anymore.

    JPEG is just the bad think you can take on Lumia device. Not only about post processing.

    10-23-2014 10:39 AM
  5. Rodrigo Mendes's Avatar
    Lol, how can you have the same settings if the 930 is limited to f/2.4? That's as wide as the aperture will open. It's impossible to have the same settings.
    You understand NOTHING about photography. Bye!
    arnark likes this.
    10-23-2014 10:40 AM
  6. MrWhiteman's Avatar
    10-23-2014 03:30 PM
  7. Rodrigo Mendes's Avatar
    Whats the problem? That's the software trying to fix the absolutely inacceptable low light conditions.
    10-23-2014 07:12 PM
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