11-25-2014 05:54 AM
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  1. Waylon Payne's Avatar
    Yup, exactly !
    I had both (sent the 930 back) and the 830, for me, is a much better phone.
    Specs on paper and real life experience are very different things. I also have a little 635, which "only" has 512 memory and it runs great !
    930 is a tank, heavy, thick, slippery.
    The 830 is thinner, lighter and not slippery.
    To me a much better experience and just as fast with a screen that I can't tell a difference between it and the 930.


    :)
    Fred
    The biggest disadvantage for me about the 830 over the 930 is that it's bound to be less future proof with the lower specs.

    I do however love the design over the 930.
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    10-26-2014 08:10 AM
  2. Fred Wilson2's Avatar
    Yup, I agree with all of that.
    The screen is really stunning. I have a most black photo (2 of them) one for my lock screen and one for the home screen background and with the transparent tiles it's just stunning. Inky black.

    Regarding size, all of the Nokia phones that I've tried feel large compared to other brands with the same screen size. The "holdability" (is that a word haha) is not as good. Pick up a Samsung Galaxy S4, for example, and compare how it feels in the hand compared to the 830.

    Camera, yup, any serious photography is done with a DSLR or film, the phones are great for quick snapshots, etc.

    Had the 930 for a couple of weeks so could compare the 930 side by side with the 830 and I could not tell a speed difference.

    :)
    Fred


    Thanks all for the valuable inputs, this thread makes for a great read.

    <snip>
    I usually shoot with a nice full-frame camera, so for snaps etc. these Zeiss 10MP seem more than adequate.

    Slow and old processor? I tested the 830 alongside the 930. Hardly noticeable delays.

    Screen quality? I actually prefer the 830's. It seems cleaner, clearer, more crisp and the blacks are beautifully strong and saturated.

    The one thing I have to get used to is the size, but paying half price o what Apple wants me to fork out, well, I take the bait! The 830 and iPhone 6 have about the same size, so I just have to deal with it.


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    10-26-2014 09:13 AM
  3. panmoria's Avatar
    The biggest disadvantage for me about the 830 over the 930 is that it's bound to be less future proof with the lower specs.

    I do however love the design over the 930.
    While the 830's specs look "lame", this device is certainly no slouch, wasting less energy on screen and other processing needs. We should be fine for two to three years (have to confess, was still using the 3GS, and it was actually quite snappy!)
    10-26-2014 09:44 AM
  4. Ionistaval's Avatar
    I've been a 920 user for long time. Just switched to iPhone 5S which came free from work. I find one handed use with the iPhone much more difficult than with the 920 because with WP most things (e.g. web browser address) are at the bottom of the screen, easily reached. On iOS everythign seems to be at the top of the screen. Also; the keyboard is a bit bigger so never have to use landscape, there are limited punctation marks on the portrait keyboard so very seldom have to use second page character, and I in my opinion text selection/cursor placement is much easier on WP.

    I have never had problem running single handed on the 920. I struggle all the time on the 5S, though maybe I'm just more scared of dropping it. The 920 was a very bouncy phone.

    I hope I can get the hang of iOS soon because I am truly not enjoying this experience. I am a heavy email user, with a couple of different accounts and many filters in for operations, financial approvals, safety incident notifications etc. etc, Pinning these different folders to the start was paradise compared to the iOS solution. For me, that will probably be the reason I seel the 5s and head back to WP, though I've promised my brother I'd try it for at least a month.
    10-27-2014 05:47 AM
  5. ChrisZA's Avatar
    I'm an Apple fanboi JUST converted to WP on a lumia 1520. This is after my house is 100% apple'd from my HTPC thro iPads for whole family, and iPhone 5's across the board (I've been on iPhone since v1), and every single one of my 43 staff is on macbook air, all 12 reps have iPad's, and even the office wifi routers are apple! This in SA where offices do NOT use apple cos it's so frighteningly expensive.

    So how did this even happen? Well iP6+ was coming, and I wanted to try a larger screen for a while to make the correct 6/6+ decision. So I tested the 1520 we had lying in the office for dev testing. Within 2 days I was sold! There are too many things I love about it to list perfectly, but I'll try a few:

    What I miss on iOS (and bear in mind I've always been jailbroken so there's a lot of crap in iOS I'm not gonna list here cos I solved it thro cydia):
    • Local apps. My banks. Annoying! c'mon Investec SA!
    • You canNOT hide your videos! Whaaaaaat???? This is SO annoying. Oh you can get an app to record vids to a 'vault', but that's just crap. WP need to fix this; allow dev's to access movie roll like they can the camera roll. SO easy!
    • I canNOT find a decent app to control my mac HTPC like a trackpad/mouse. None work nicely
    • No Chrome browser. Sad. IE is surprisingly good in that tabs don't need refreshing all the time. BUT usability is crap, and no sync'd bookmarks is annoying
    • WhatsApp is slightly less funcitonal and usable that iOS, but it's OK I guess
    • Dropbox has only 3rd party apps which are not great
    • Grouping all my apps into useable folders. Yes there are apps that help - a lot - but it's imperfect and even the 8.1 tile grouping isn't what I'm after. I like a nested start menu.
    • And I can't find an even accceptable kakuro game :(
    • Text expansion! Oh wow, MS failed big time here. Nearly gave up on WP on day 1 cos of this omission. There's a work around; "Copy n Paste" app pinned to home screen results in a few extra keystrokes to get there.
    • Notifications centre is more elegant than iOS by far, but it annoys me a tad that some apps clear it too readily, and others (whatsapp) don't clear it at all


    But that's it really! And I've been keeping a running list of issues cos I wanted to know if I should be the 6+ (launched 2 days ago in SA).

    Now here's what I love about WP that no one seems to have covered above:
    • That back button. Wow. Cycling between apps has never been easier. Even holding that button to get the task switcher is way way easier than double clicking ios home.
    • Live tiles of course, but did u know you can have photos that scroll in a tile?
    • Transparent tiles on a background photo. Screen shots don't often show this feature
    • Settings are way easier to use. iOS started off OK, but it's gotten too messy now and I really battle to help other users. Privacy settings are a mess and with ios 8 many apps stopped working (mic or location access) and users really battled to know what was going on)
    • OneNote is epic! Notepad on iOS is just awful. So yeah, you can get OneNote on iOS, but I would never have found out about it if it wasn't for WP
    • OK, so I'm struggling with the "people" feature in WP. But I read above that others love it. Guess I need to bone up on that
    • Mail is way more useable. Install gmail app for instantly searching your 5yr history. iOS mail also sucks at that btw
    • Battery life is amazing on the 1520. 2 FULL days of intense use! And built in battery saver seems to work.
    • The default calendar is great for week view (iOS default calendar is embarrassing)
    • Camera I'm unsure on...even my 5s seemed to battle with low light. I really don't rate any pics on iPhones and I suspect samsung wins the day here
    • "RapDialer" makes the phone so much more usable. Free. Stuff u have to jailbreak to get in ios


    There's more, but the bottom line is this apple fanboi, with a strong installed base, and no reason to switch to WP, is a convert Still embarrassed to tell my friends whom I spent years converting to iOS <blush>
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    10-27-2014 06:49 AM
  6. gerzhwin's Avatar
    Things you will miss when switching to a WP 8.1:
    I totally agree with number 3. Such a distraction for such an important interface.
    10-27-2014 06:49 PM
  7. Ferazzz's Avatar
    I have been on the 830 now for a day coming from my 930 for over a month and the 830 is slightly slower at tasks, especially when multi-tasking and returning to start screen (slight hitching) compared to my 930 which was always buttery smooth overall. Overall I actually prefer the build quality of the 930 but love the SD slot of the 830, now I need to make up my mind about which one to keep, one on hand the 830 is easier to use one handed and less slippery but it just doesn't feel as solid as my 930, also I am anxious to see what improvements Denim will bring to the 930. Tough choice since the blacks on the 930 looks very nice and flow well together with the WP interface, no doubt the 930 speed difference is apparent to me anyway. More hitching on the 830 for sure.......Tough Tough...
    11-02-2014 12:10 PM
  8. Fred Wilson2's Avatar
    I couldn't really tell any speed difference when I had both, side by side, for a week (I sent the 930 back and kept the 830).
    For me the 830:
    - Lighter
    - Thinner
    - Much easier to hold
    - Not slippery (I would have dropped the 930 at some point in time had I kept it. I never use a case on any phone).
    - SD card slot
    - Removable battery
    - Screen is just as good to me. I have a mostly black background with transparent tiles. The blacks are inky black.
    - Doesn't have the screen color bleed that the 930 showed
    - Doesn't get hot when used sort of heavily (some chat apps)
    - Much better battery life.

    :)
    Fred
    11-02-2014 01:57 PM
  9. Ferazzz's Avatar
    Not to argue your opinion or feeling but there certainly is a speed difference. Take for example when playing music and returning to the start screen there is always a hitch and I barely have anything installed......the same setup on my 930 is smooth as butter. Another example is when deleting a photo sometimes for 2-3 seconds there is a deleting screen that shows instead of instantly deleting like on my 930. This obviously is only nit picking and truly not a big deal and the removable battery and SD slot makes up for it. I find the glance screen merely okay for daily use since the screen tech is LCD. The glance clock isn't as bright as it was on my 925 since the 830 needs to light up the whole panel instead of only the needed pixels like on AMOLED and if it were any brighter it would destroy the battery life anyway. Surprisingly the screen on the 830 is very nice and I don't see any clarity difference except the obvious that that black are not as black as AMOLED, but the Whites makes up for it without any purple tint or green hue, just bright WHITE so I keep my theme in White and it is marvelous :) So far truly enjoying the 830 more than I thought and it will be with me until a new flagship from Nokia (opps I mean Microsoft) is born!



    I couldn't really tell any speed difference when I had both, side by side, for a week (I sent the 930 back and kept the 830).
    For me the 830:
    - Lighter
    - Thinner
    - Much easier to hold
    - Not slippery (I would have dropped the 930 at some point in time had I kept it. I never use a case on any phone).
    - SD card slot
    - Removable battery
    - Screen is just as good to me. I have a mostly black background with transparent tiles. The blacks are inky black.
    - Doesn't have the screen color bleed that the 930 showed
    - Doesn't get hot when used sort of heavily (some chat apps)
    - Much better battery life.

    :)
    Fred
    11-02-2014 05:22 PM
  10. panmoria's Avatar
    So basically only the SD card slot speaks for the 830?! If the 930's 32GB are not enough, sync and download everything immediately to your computer, that's a no-brainer really.

    I rather think the 830's concept and form factor is what the 930 should have been.
    11-02-2014 08:54 PM
  11. panmoria's Avatar
    I have been on the 830 now for a day coming from my 930 for over a month and the 830 is slightly slower at tasks, especially when multi-tasking and returning to start screen (slight hitching) compared to my 930 which was always buttery smooth overall. Overall I actually prefer the build quality of the 930 but love the SD slot of the 830, now I need to make up my mind about which one to keep, one on hand the 830 is easier to use one handed and less slippery but it just doesn't feel as solid as my 930, also I am anxious to see what improvements Denim will bring to the 930. Tough choice since the blacks on the 930 looks very nice and flow well together with the WP interface, no doubt the 930 speed difference is apparent to me anyway. More hitching on the 830 for sure.......Tough Tough...
    So the 830's main advantage is the SD slot? If the 930's 32GB are not enough, just download photos, videos and other downloads to your computer, that's a no-brainer really.

    I rather think the 830's concept and form factor are what the 930 should have been.
    11-02-2014 08:58 PM
  12. Fred Wilson2's Avatar
    So the 830's main advantage is the SD slot? <SNIP> I rather think the 830's concept and form factor are what the 930 should have been.
    And the removable battery.
    And the lighter weight
    And the fact that the 830 is not slippery
    And the fact that the 830 is thinner
    And the fact that the 830 doesn't get hot when running CPU intensive apps.
    And the fact that the 830's battery life is better.
    And the fact, for all those benefits, the 830 is not particularly slower, the screen is not particularly worse.

    Anyway, it's to each their own of course, however, for me, the 830 suits my needs much better than the 930 did.

    :)
    Fred
    11-03-2014 07:16 AM
  13. Ferazzz's Avatar
    And the removable battery.
    And the lighter weight
    And the fact that the 830 is not slippery
    And the fact that the 830 is thinner
    And the fact that the 830 doesn't get hot when running CPU intensive apps.
    And the fact that the 830's battery life is better.
    And the fact, for all those benefits, the 830 is not particularly slower, the screen is not particularly worse.

    Anyway, it's to each their own of course, however, for me, the 830 suits my needs much better than the 930 did.

    :)
    Fred

    I second everything here, it is slightly slower but nothing earth shattering and it is lighter and does not run hot. It is truly a great device and since it is LCD I love running the white theme and dark blue accents, everything just looks so clean and classy. Not to mention here in Montreal I get all the proper bands for hspa+ (not missing the 1700mhz that Rogers uses) my 930 was missing that band and it impacted signal unfortunately and was very spotty and often on Edge. With my 830 I get LTE and stable 4g so for me it is a win win situation really........it is really a great phone and although it is a lower end device it runs beautifully.
    11-03-2014 06:17 PM
  14. maverick786us's Avatar
    And this 930 will become much better than 830, with Lumia Denim & Emerald update
    11-04-2014 10:48 PM
  15. Fred Wilson2's Avatar
    Cool, nice to know that the Denim and Emerald updates will make the 930 thinner, lighter, and less slippery :)


    :)
    Fred


    And this 930 will become much better than 830, with Lumia Denim & Emerald update
    11-05-2014 07:14 AM
  16. maverick786us's Avatar
    Cool, nice to know that the Denim and Emerald updates will make the 930 thinner, lighter, and less slippery :)

    Anyon e
    :)
    Fred
    Anyone coming from 920 will not find 930 heavier. The weight is justifiable because of the large camera sensor, the amazing screen and the top notch hardware. Denim or Emerald update should provide tweak to make camera even better, should improve the battery life and get rid of heat issue. I believe 830 already has Denim preinstalled, thats why its camera takes amazing pics, even when compared to large sensored lumia 920 and 925.
    11-05-2014 07:23 AM
  17. Bobvfr's Avatar
    So the 830's main advantage is the SD slot? If the 930's 32GB are not enough, just download photos, videos and other downloads to your computer, that's a no-brainer really.

    I rather think the 830's concept and form factor are what the 930 should have been.
    Or upload all photo's to OneDrive and then delete the local version.

    My lad just got his 930 today, he preferred the look of the 930, we haven't had much chance to play with it yet, but it does look like a stunning phone and the camera is as good as my 1520 on first look.



    Bob
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    11-05-2014 07:33 AM
  18. Fred Wilson2's Avatar
    Yes, the 830 has Denim installed.
    Coming from the Android world, and I'm not in any way dissing WP's, the Nokia's, as a group, are simply not as "holdable" (is that a word haha), as some of the Android phones I've had in the past. The 930 and 830 (which I still have) both have the same sized screen as say the Samsung S4 but the S4 is much lighter, much thinner and rounded for a much better feel in the hand, IMO. All the Nokia's that I've tried with the exception of the 635 (which I own still) are awkward feeling to hold to me. Again, I have and love the 830 so I'm not dissing the Nokia's.
    Weight is always a factor, and camera sensor size doesn't really make that much difference. The Nokia's are built very solid like tanks, not a bad thing.
    having owned a 930 for a couple of weeks before returning it (and I had the 830 at the same time), to me, the 930, while a very pretty phone (as is the 830), it was much more difficult for me to hold and use, awkward I would say, so that's why I have the 830. :)

    :)
    Fred



    Anyone coming from 920 will not find 930 heavier. The weight is justifiable because of the large camera sensor, the amazing screen and the top notch hardware. Denim or Emerald update should provide tweak to make camera even better, should improve the battery life and get rid of heat issue. I believe 830 already has Denim preinstalled, thats why its camera takes amazing pics, even when compared to large sensored lumia 920 and 925.
    11-05-2014 12:25 PM
  19. mazzerooni's Avatar
    Ive just activated my lumia 930 after giving the wife my iphone 6 - having previously used a 920- I just couldn't go back to ios - or android - MS is the place where really exciting things are happening and this handset is definitely one of them .
    11-24-2014 04:18 PM
  20. Ignition1's Avatar
    I have both an iPhone5S as a work phone and a Lumia 930 as a personal phone. Prior to both of these I just had the one Galaxy S3 for personal use.

    For my use cases - phone calls, texts, using official apps, reliability, battery life and camera -

    1. iPhone5S (maybe 6 but I haven't used it)
    2. Lumia 930
    3. All Windows Phones
    4. All other iPhones
    5. All Android phones

    Didn't like Android. Found it slow, cluttered and the app market was hit/miss (surprising as it's so popular). I really like the 5S, beautiful design and Google Maps > Nokia Maps in almost every single situation I've been in (searching for a business, directions in a car/walking, transit directions etc.). The speaker and alarm is better than the 930.

    Camera wise I'm not sure. My 930 is slower to take photos than the 5S and they more often come out with a bit of motion blur (unless using the flash), which is annoying. Also some grain on the 930's shots. But I'm not sure if it's because the 5S has a better screen so the photos look better on the phone than they would blown up on a monitor...who knows. Either way I use the 930 for photos where I can, but if I need to take a photo FAST I can whip out the 5S and have the camera open and taking photos in literally 1 second v.s. longer on the 930.

    Windows Phone the OS is good and fast. It's refreshing from the widget-filled, laggy mess of Android that I experienced and the static grid of icons of iOS.

    I wouldn't buy the 930 because it's a 930. But I would buy it because it's the best Windows Phone available right now.
    11-25-2014 05:54 AM
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