12-22-2014 09:40 AM
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  1. galbenush's Avatar
    Well...if you take the same shot with both Lumia Camera and Lumia Camera Classic you get 2 different results.

    So far i belive that when shot with the old camera software, the results are the same as on cyan. At least they seem to be very close.

    Lumia camera does this - heavily processes the image after it was taken. Basically it adds allot more contrast and some sharpening, making the image having darker tones and appear sharper than the results you get using Lumia Camera classic. Also because of the increased contrast, the noise levels seem to be lower. It is indeed much faster, and quicker to focus. The overall results seem to me a bit too dark and overprocessed, leaving the really darker areas of the shot without details, almost completely dark.

    Also, when taking pictures on auto, i could only get 1/25 maximum exposure on auto settings, while it used to be 1/3 on Lumia Camera classic. There is no timer on Lumia camera.

    I din not compare the shots from Lumia Camera Classic on Cyan vs Denim. They seem to be the same but not sure, did not test them yet. I have some frames prepared and will test and compare them later. ( i will post some examples here if i can)

    These are my FIRST impressions, so take them with a grain of salt. I did not test the differences properly yet.
    Harneet Singh4 and msirapian like this.
    12-19-2014 09:57 AM
  2. galbenush's Avatar
    lumia-camera-denim-.jpg
    Lumia Camera (Denim) - auto Iso 320, 1/10 no flash
    lumia-camera-classic-cyan-.jpg
    Lumia Camera Classic (Cyan) - auto Iso 500, 1/10 no flash
    lumia-camera-classic-denim-.jpg
    Lumia Camera Classic(Denim) - auto Iso 320, 1/10 no flash


    The blue and the door seems closer to reality in the Lumia Camera Denim photo. The drawer in the right is best in the Cyan Lumia camera classic. The white balance is off in both Denim pictures (a purple tint)
    12-19-2014 10:36 AM
  3. lucas.scott's Avatar
    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose. I'm ecstatic with the higher contract and sharpening of the denim camera. Rich capture allows to tweak after if needed, and i always found my previous Lumia devices photos to look much softer then that of the competition. This is a very welcomed changed for me, but at least the "classic" camera is still available for those that prefer the way things were.

    Thanks for the comparison shots, I'll try to take some a little later as well.
    maverick786us likes this.
    12-19-2014 10:41 AM
  4. crise's Avatar
    Will things improve for a 920? Anybody experience?
    12-19-2014 10:47 AM
  5. Harrie-S's Avatar
    No camera of 920 can not be improved with DEMIN. Sorry
    12-19-2014 10:49 AM
  6. galbenush's Avatar
    Also Lumia Camera (denim) seems to be a bit rushed, i think it is not ready yet. It is buggy and a bit unrefined.
    12-19-2014 10:52 AM
  7. Chris_Germany's Avatar
    Also Lumia Camera (denim) seems to be a bit rushed, i think it is not ready yet. It is buggy and a bit unrefined.
    ROFL! "Rushed" ? They presented the new Lumia Camera in September !!! So 4 months gone now since then! If there is ANY SINGLE LITTLE TINY BUG in this app, i freak out. Srsly! 4 Months!!!
    12-19-2014 11:03 AM
  8. user4545's Avatar
    I get 1/4 exposure time auto in dark lightning Indoor with the new Lumia Camera 5. Which is the same as old Camera and a shame since taking photos with 1/4 exposure time in the night club etc results in completely blurry people and other things that are moving. Also the pictures get totally unrealistically bright. Guess i should buy an Iphone for taking club photos..
    12-19-2014 11:04 AM
  9. galbenush's Avatar
    ROFL! "Rushed" ? They presented the new Lumia Camera in September !!! So 4 months gone now since then! If there is ANY SINGLE LITTLE TINY BUG in this app, i freak out. Srsly! 4 Months!!!
    Yes, rushed. the camera roll inside the app is a bit buggy, and the overall experience makes me think i am running a beta, not the real app.

    Also i am not pleased by the results...i was hoping for a bit of sharpening and a touch more contrast, but the latter part is just too strong for my taste... Makes the photos seem less natural...

    What i was modding most often in Cyan pictures was adding a bit more contrast and sharpening, and made the blacker tones blacker and the whites whiter. What the app does now by default is just too much, i feel the shadows should be allot lighter. They went in the right direction with the tweaking, they are just doing too much of it.
    12-19-2014 11:28 AM
  10. galbenush's Avatar
    I get 1/4 exposure time auto in dark lightning Indoor with the new Lumia Camera 5. Which is the same as old Camera and a shame since taking photos with 1/4 exposure time in the night club etc results in completely blurry people and other things that are moving. Also the pictures get totally unrealistically bright. Guess i should buy an Iphone for taking club photos..
    You need xenon flash for club pictures ( lumia 1020, the pureview 808 etc.). All, and i mean ALL phones with LED will not be able to take a picture of a moving person in a club. It is one of the many faults of LED. The light is simply not fast enough. With LED, you will not get a clear picture of a moving person indoors, with relatively good light. The iphone makes no exception.
    gpobernardo likes this.
    12-19-2014 11:33 AM
  11. Ifeanyi Ogbodo-benson's Avatar
    Where can we download xenon flash
    12-19-2014 11:42 AM
  12. ashram's Avatar
    Where can we download xenon flash
    I don't know if you're being serious or sarcastic....
    12-19-2014 11:47 AM
  13. Chris_Germany's Avatar
    Where can we download xenon flash


    He is probably from India. So don't expect anything useful here on this forum...

    No, I'm not a nazi ;)
    gpobernardo and msirapian like this.
    12-19-2014 11:53 AM
  14. anon(9174535)'s Avatar
    He is probably from India. So don't expect anything useful here on this forum...

    No, I'm not a nazi ;)
    Totally true but that guy **** the ****** of me "where i can download xenon flash " hhhhh & they complain about lack of apps well its technically lack of minds is the problem ...
    gpobernardo likes this.
    12-19-2014 01:47 PM
  15. galbenush's Avatar
    Lumia Camera v5 is first, Lumia Camera Classic ( both on Denim) second. I'm not sure i like this red tint...the true colors seem to be in between the photos, a combined one would make more true to life colors.

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    In the last photo, the color of the wall resembles most with it in reality, it has no pink tint actually.
    Last edited by galbenush; 12-20-2014 at 08:41 AM.
    12-19-2014 02:46 PM
  16. user4545's Avatar
    You need xenon flash for club pictures ( lumia 1020, the pureview 808 etc.). All, and i mean ALL phones with LED will not be able to take a picture of a moving person in a club. It is one of the many faults of LED. The light is simply not fast enough. With LED, you will not get a clear picture of a moving person indoors, with relatively good light. The iphone makes no exception.
    I never use the flash, want to capture the picture as it is in real life and Lumias have done that in a very bad way since the 920. Most other phones never go higher than around 1/13 exposure time just because moving objects get very blurry at those long exposure times.
    12-20-2014 04:19 AM
  17. galbenush's Avatar
    The simple and easy solution would be to manually change the exposure to 1/10 or whatever suits your needs. Would be cheaper than buying a new phone...Still you would have to do this every time you open Lumia Camera... But once you get used to it it takes little to no time to do that.

    I am not a fan either of the ridiculously lit scenes sometimes, but very grateful for them other times. In the end i think it's much better than not having anything at all in my frames.
    12-20-2014 05:58 AM
  18. Rodrigo Mendes's Avatar
    You need xenon flash for club pictures ( lumia 1020, the pureview 808 etc.). All, and i mean ALL phones with LED will not be able to take a picture of a moving person in a club. It is one of the many faults of LED. The light is simply not fast enough. With LED, you will not get a clear picture of a moving person indoors, with relatively good light. The iphone makes no exception.
    I don't think is related to LED or Xenon.

    The problem is 1/4 exposure time. But this is not seem try in my experience on Lumia 930 automode. When you have poor light conditions, the automode ALWAYS turn the flash on and exposure time go to at least 1/10 or 1/12, which is very good for take night pictures.

    Even for a DSLR could be trick take shots on low light conditions and moving subjects. Without flash, just forget, it's impossible. People need to know a little more about photography before complaint.

    ps.: iPhone? Please, don't make me laugh. iPhone have a potato camera.
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    12-20-2014 08:57 AM
  19. Rodrigo Mendes's Avatar
    I never use the flash, want to capture the picture as it is in real life and Lumias have done that in a very bad way since the 920. Most other phones never go higher than around 1/13 exposure time just because moving objects get very blurry at those long exposure times.
    So you want low light pics and moving subjects without flash?

    It's impossible, sorry to say.

    You need light, Photography is all about light.
    galbenush likes this.
    12-20-2014 08:58 AM
  20. galbenush's Avatar
    I don't think is related to LED or Xenon.

    The problem is 1/4 exposure time............... When you have poor light conditions, the automode ALWAYS turn the flash on and exposure time go to at least 1/10 or 1/12.
    With flash on, like you said, exposure time goes to 1/10, 1/12 etc. So 1/4 exposure can't be the issue. However, if you look into it you will see how L1020 can take low light stills effortlessly. This is thanks to the xenon, which emits a stronger and faster light. Xenon has the power to "freeze" the moment, while LED only lights up the scene a bit.

    But i agree with you, taking phone pictures in a club without flash is useless, no matter what phone you have.
    Rodrigo Mendes likes this.
    12-20-2014 09:59 AM
  21. pankaj981's Avatar
    He is probably from India. So don't expect anything useful here on this forum...


    No, I'm not a nazi ;)

    That's not an Indian name and he or she is not from India. Assuming stuff and stereotyping an entire group is something not expected here. Keep the discussion on topic
    12-20-2014 10:15 AM
  22. runamuck83's Avatar
    Must be nice to have Lumia Camera. Us Lumia 830 owners bought the phone with the promise of the new Lumia Camera. Yet, here we sit months later still waiting for the app.

    It baffles me that the phone that was ANNOUNCED and used to show off the new camera features DOESN'T YET HAVE IT - while a phone that came out 6+ months ago gets it first? Wtf is that all about?

    Fire all the idiots running the Lumia division now. Hire people who know what the hell they're doing...
    ajcletus500 likes this.
    12-20-2014 10:30 AM
  23. bseuivafom's Avatar
    Must be nice to have Lumia Camera. Us Lumia 830 owners bought the phone with the promise of the new Lumia Camera. Yet, here we sit months later still waiting for the app.

    It baffles me that the phone that was ANNOUNCED and used to show off the new camera features DOESN'T YET HAVE IT - while a phone that came out 6+ months ago gets it first? Wtf is that all about?

    Fire all the idiots running the Lumia division now. Hire people who know what the hell they're doing...
    Plus you won't get 4K recording. 'So much for the 'affordable flagship' phone ha

    Srsly a 'flagship' needs to be a 'flagship', and an 'affordable flagship' needs not to be 'slightly above entry level in a nice case' especially for what they're charging for it. The current models are totally out of whack and the 1520 is the only thing that's actually come out on time in relation to the rest of the market.
    12-20-2014 10:39 AM
  24. Rodrigo Mendes's Avatar
    With flash on, like you said, exposure time goes to 1/10, 1/12 etc. So 1/4 exposure can't be the issue. However, if you look into it you will see how L1020 can take low light stills effortlessly. This is thanks to the xenon, which emits a stronger and faster light. Xenon has the power to "freeze" the moment, while LED only lights up the scene a bit.

    But i agree with you, taking phone pictures in a club without flash is useless, no matter what phone you have.

    Yes, Xenon is much better than LED, but I still don't think it's related with power, only better quality.
    12-20-2014 11:24 AM
  25. Rodrigo Mendes's Avatar
    Must be nice to have Lumia Camera. Us Lumia 830 owners bought the phone with the promise of the new Lumia Camera. Yet, here we sit months later still waiting for the app.

    It baffles me that the phone that was ANNOUNCED and used to show off the new camera features DOESN'T YET HAVE IT - while a phone that came out 6+ months ago gets it first? Wtf is that all about?

    Fire all the idiots running the Lumia division now. Hire people who know what the hell they're doing...
    What? Even Lumia 830 was not announced with new features. You are making a big mistake here. Stop crying for nothing, sooner or later you will receive the update. MS only announced Denim Update for later on December 2014 or 2015 begin.
    12-20-2014 11:30 AM
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