01-12-2015 10:39 AM
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  1. aximtreo's Avatar
    http://winsupersite.com/windows-phon...94166&NLL=5913

    I just read this article from Paul and for those of you that don't get his daily issues, I thought it would be good and educational reading. I especially like his reasoning for buying the Lumia 930 and his comment regarding Verizon.

    Hopefully this will generate a good response from this site. Remember, he has the ability to have any phone, WP or otherwise and he chose to buy out of his own pocket the 930.
    01-08-2015 07:53 AM
  2. jmshub's Avatar
    I like Paul Thurrott. He is usually level headed and pragmatic about technology.
    01-08-2015 08:17 AM
  3. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Re: aximtreo,
    Thank you. This was a good read. The comments where good too, but a few too many about cameras.
    EDIT: ie. "Readers" comments.
    Last edited by Kevin Rush; 01-10-2015 at 09:39 AM.
    01-08-2015 09:28 AM
  4. aximtreo's Avatar
    I think he was just making a point that he wants, needs, has to have a good camera. In his choice of the 930, he tells us he got what he was looking for.
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    01-08-2015 10:02 AM
  5. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    I think he was just making a point that he wants, needs, has to have a good camera. In his choice of the 930, he tells us he got what he was looking for.
    Re: aximtreo,
    Hi, I wasn't referring to Paul. I thought his writing was spot on. I was referring to the many many readers comments. Too many about camera, in my opinion. I guess it is a popular topic.
    Last edited by Kevin Rush; 01-10-2015 at 09:41 AM.
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    01-08-2015 10:38 AM
  6. Kavu2's Avatar
    Yes, that was a good read. Just wish Verizon would read it.
    01-08-2015 10:53 AM
  7. Harry Wild's Avatar
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    I will look at the 930 in the Spring time. Microsoft is release a "Bling" Gold version of the 930 for worldwide distribution at the end of January(U.S. excluded). It trim in gold on the edge and lettering. Available in White and Black.
    01-09-2015 12:31 AM
  8. Bizarro_Prime's Avatar
    I'm due to upgrade from a 920 in a couple of weeks and, due to the lack of anything new, I've been considering a 930.
    The fact the phone has been around since mid-2014 has put me off a bit but this article has pretty much swayed me into going for it.
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    01-09-2015 07:43 AM
  9. stephen_az's Avatar
    http://winsupersite.com/windows-phon...94166&NLL=5913

    I just read this article from Paul and for those of you that don't get his daily issues, I thought it would be good and educational reading. I especially like his reasoning for buying the Lumia 930 and his comment regarding Verizon.

    Hopefully this will generate a good response from this site. Remember, he has the ability to have any phone, WP or otherwise and he chose to buy out of his own pocket the 930.
    All I see is a mix of readily available facts mixed with self important opinions presented in the same arrogant drivel he spews most days. I am sorry but I see nothing of interest at all since I don't find his pathological need to see his name in print particularly useful. Are people here that desperate for a cheerleader? You really do not need anyone to affirm your chooses for you.

    As for he can buy any phone, I am pretty sure that technically applies to everyone choosing to buy a phone anywhere. It also, however, a way of boasting he has more money in his pocket. I am sorry but that is, as often as not, the real point of such a comment. On the subject of the 930 and Icon being identical, that simply is not true. The Icon is based on the 930 but it was designed for different network technology. With respect to the obscenity he tosses at VZW for not updating the Icon that is just closed minded BS since he never chooses to discuss why it has not been updated nor why it was pulled. The fact that it was pulled and not updated yet should be a clue to reasonable people that there are problems with the handset. BTW, his own carrier also doesn't merit an obscenity even though they haven't seen a supposed flagship since 2013. News flash to everyone: any exclusive for the Icon is long past so it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out AT&T has chosen not to pick up the 930.

    Some may like Thurott. I have no objection to that since we are all entitled to an opinion. I find the guy to be an often intolerable self ascribed expert who has never gotten over Microsoft cutting him off back in the Windows Vista/7 development days. He has (as usual) also not provided anymore information than anyone can get anywhere. Please point out one thing other than the attitude and innuendo in the piece that couldn't be gotten from a Google or Bing search. It is just an opinion piece. BTW, as a business person who travels and who works with others who do the same (plus various feds) I can assure you most people I know would either start laughing or stop reading upon reaching the comments about LTE not being important. Good for him that he can live with a much slower connection - I don't know a single person who a) wouldn't notice the difference or b) be willing to take that step backwards.
    01-09-2015 11:10 AM
  10. HelloNNNewman's Avatar
    Nice article... Now, if I could find a good deal on a flagship phone that would work fully on T-Mobile, I'd jump in and play with this OS. ;) Unfortunately, most of these 'unlocked' phones will have 1 or 2 frequencies they won't match up on (like not working on 3G for T-Mo)
    01-09-2015 11:17 AM
  11. maleheo p's Avatar
    BTW, as a business person who travels and who works with others who do the same (plus various feds) I can assure you most people I know would either start laughing or stop reading upon reaching the comments about LTE not being important. Good for him that he can live with a much slower connection - I don't know a single person who a) wouldn't notice the difference or b) be willing to take that step backwards.
    I took the step backwards and yes, I can definitely tell a difference between 3G/HSPA+ and LTE. I just couldn't wait any longer for Tmob to maybe pick up a non-budget phone.
    01-09-2015 11:41 AM
  12. etphoto's Avatar
    As most of you probably already know Paul is going out on his own and his website address is changing. www.thurrott.com
    01-09-2015 01:37 PM
  13. bilzkh's Avatar
    If Microsoft can bring up a Lumia 930 (or 93x) with AWS (specifically HSPA: 1700) bands, I'll buy on-sight.
    01-09-2015 02:07 PM
  14. Chris_Kez's Avatar
    All I see is a mix of readily available facts mixed with self important opinions presented in the same arrogant drivel he spews most days. I am sorry but I see nothing of interest at all since I don't find his pathological need to see his name in print particularly useful.
    Aren't most tech blogs (or any news articles for that matter) filled with "readily available facts"? True, the facts are available but people may be interested in the perspective of someone who uses lots of different devices over time, and not just for a few days or a week. And he goes back and tries stuff over again to see if things have improved or not. Sorry you don't like his writing style or sense of humor. Should he be always equivocating, or is it okay to project some confidence in one's beliefs?

    As for a "pathological need", the guy is a writer. He gets paid to write. His livelihood is dependent upon publishing articles that people read. Evidently his preferred form is short-medium length pieces written at a brisk pace. Perhaps that is too much for you. Don't read it.

    As for he can buy any phone, I am pretty sure that technically applies to everyone choosing to buy a phone anywhere. It also, however, a way of boasting he has more money in his pocket. I am sorry but that is, as often as not, the real point of such a comment.
    If you've read/listened to his stuff over the years, you know that he does more than most tech bloggers to focus on entry-level and mid-tier products. If you're familiar with his periodic "What I Use" columns, you'll see he in fact tends to keep gear for a while and appears reasonably thrifty for someone that reviews technology products for a living. He does not go in for tech-spec-porn, and explicitly addresses the issues of "value" and "good enough" computing. Unlike many tech bloggers, he will actually use and think about lower-end devices. He doesn't dismiss them out of hand because they don't have the latest and greatest specs. He praised the 520 to the high heavens as the best value of the year. Nor does he seem to have any problem calling out bad products. Go look at his pieces on the 530.
    01-09-2015 02:30 PM
  15. jmshub's Avatar
    Nice article... Now, if I could find a good deal on a flagship phone that would work fully on T-Mobile, I'd jump in and play with this OS. ;) Unfortunately, most of these 'unlocked' phones will have 1 or 2 frequencies they won't match up on (like not working on 3G for T-Mo)
    If you're not opposed to the 6" Lumia 1520, the unlocked RM-938 will work fully on T-Mobile for you.
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    01-09-2015 02:39 PM
  16. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    He chose well. The Lumia 930 is amazing and the best windows phone to get :D
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    01-09-2015 02:52 PM
  17. HelloNNNewman's Avatar
    If you're not opposed to the 6" Lumia 1520, the unlocked RM-938 will work fully on T-Mobile for you.
    Thanks - I've looked at that phone, but it is definitely huge. ;)
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    01-09-2015 03:22 PM
  18. snowmutt's Avatar
    All I see is a mix of readily available facts mixed with self important opinions presented in the same arrogant drivel he spews most days. I am sorry but I see nothing of interest at all since I don't find his pathological need to see his name in print particularly useful. Are people here that desperate for a cheerleader? You really do not need anyone to affirm your chooses for you.

    As for he can buy any phone, I am pretty sure that technically applies to everyone choosing to buy a phone anywhere. It also, however, a way of boasting he has more money in his pocket. I am sorry but that is, as often as not, the real point of such a comment. On the subject of the 930 and Icon being identical, that simply is not true. The Icon is based on the 930 but it was designed for different network technology. With respect to the obscenity he tosses at VZW for not updating the Icon that is just closed minded BS since he never chooses to discuss why it has not been updated nor why it was pulled. The fact that it was pulled and not updated yet should be a clue to reasonable people that there are problems with the handset. BTW, his own carrier also doesn't merit an obscenity even though they haven't seen a supposed flagship since 2013. News flash to everyone: any exclusive for the Icon is long past so it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out AT&T has chosen not to pick up the 930.

    Some may like Thurott. I have no objection to that since we are all entitled to an opinion. I find the guy to be an often intolerable self ascribed expert who has never gotten over Microsoft cutting him off back in the Windows Vista/7 development days. He has (as usual) also not provided anymore information than anyone can get anywhere. Please point out one thing other than the attitude and innuendo in the piece that couldn't be gotten from a Google or Bing search. It is just an opinion piece. BTW, as a business person who travels and who works with others who do the same (plus various feds) I can assure you most people I know would either start laughing or stop reading upon reaching the comments about LTE not being important. Good for him that he can live with a much slower connection - I don't know a single person who a) wouldn't notice the difference or b) be willing to take that step backwards.
    So...... how do you REALLY feel?



    I find most of his stuff insightful and self aware. He makes fun of himself way more than he puts himself on a pedestal. He has broken a good amount of MS news, has a good pulse for the company, and admits when he is wrong.

    I do agree with one of your points though, without question: No WP device is worth giving up data speeds. Period. AT&T LTE is really showing some nice speeds these days. Not a chance I would go back to the fast snail data speed for a great device when I can get a couple of good devices that are on an LTE connection. More power to him, but I would never recommend it to anyone, and would sure object.
    01-09-2015 04:29 PM
  19. snowmutt's Avatar
    As most of you probably already know Paul is going out on his own and his website address is changing. Coming Soon
    No... I did not know that. Thanks for the link!!
    01-09-2015 04:30 PM
  20. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    I do agree with one of your points though, without question: No WP device is worth giving up data speeds. Period. AT&T LTE is really showing some nice speeds these days. Not a chance I would go back to the fast snail data speed for a great device when I can get a couple of good devices that are on an LTE connection. More power to him, but I would never recommend it to anyone, and would sure object.
    The irony is I bought the 1520.3 (RM-938) precisely because I didn't think I could give up LTE. Well, of course, I had it for two months, and I only like the phone... I don't love it. The tap/swipe bug and the sheer size drive me bonkers. So on a whim, I forced the phone to 3G mode to shut off LTE and strictly use HSPA+ mode.

    And what do you know? Things were great. I mean, I still had the same two gripes as above, but performance was shockingly the same for me... just a little slower on big downloads. But I can stream audio/video just fine. Signal quality is still the same. Even with "2-3 bars" I'm seeing speeds in the 3.5Mbps/Down and 1.5Mbps/Up ranges, which isn't too shabby at all. On full bars, I get closer to 8/Down, 3/Up. I can live with that just fine, tyvm.

    So what did I do? I picked up the 930 Unlocked, and now I'm thinking-- wow, I should have just done this in the first place!
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    01-09-2015 07:17 PM
  21. rmeigs's Avatar
    All I see is a mix of readily available facts mixed with self important opinions presented in the same arrogant drivel he spews most days.
    Spot-on! Thurott lives in his own 1% tech bubble and has little grasp of what the real world user needs or wants.
    01-09-2015 09:26 PM
  22. Kevin Rush's Avatar
    Spot-on! Thurott lives in his own 1% tech bubble and has little grasp of what the real world user needs or wants.
    Re: rmeigs,
    I disagree with your negative comment.
    Last edited by Kevin Rush; 01-10-2015 at 09:32 AM.
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    01-09-2015 09:40 PM
  23. GoodThings2Life's Avatar
    I disagree with your negative comment.
    I disagree with your <mod edit> disagreement!

    I agree with about 75% of what Paul has to say. But he has always been highly supportive of Microsoft overall, in spite of any snark on his part. You can either take it or leave it. That's not a quality everyone appreciates... in fact, I have the same loathing people have for Paul about Tom Warren of The Verge. As far as I'm concerned I have no interest in anything he says. I even blocked and muted @verge and @tomwarren on Twitter just so I don't have to see their crap.

    We have that luxury, folks. Ignore and be ignored if we or others choose. No sense being whiny about it.
    Last edited by HelloNNNewman; 01-13-2015 at 11:01 AM. Reason: no reason to call his disagreement "snarky"
    01-09-2015 09:51 PM
  24. Tempest790's Avatar
    I did the same. My 920's battery was going out after 2 1/2 years, so I was ready for an upgrade. My wife has the 1020, and it's a great phone. However, the 930 had a great screen, more ram and a faster processor.

    Yes, I loss LTE but HSPA+ is pretty good where in at. My biggest complaint is some apps that are no longer downloadable like Urbanspoon.

    In any case, when a Lumia 1030 with Windows Phone 10 is released, my wife and I will definitely upgrade to that.
    01-09-2015 10:14 PM
  25. jdballard's Avatar
    Spot-on! Thurott lives in his own 1% tech bubble and has little grasp of what the real world user needs or wants.
    I think this is exactly opposite of it. He's one of the few he can see beyond his own bubble. Look at his appreciation for all the quality low-end Lumia devices. He loves the mid-range Lumia 735. He constantly says how much he appreciates and understands how nice the iPhone is. He gets things from a business perspective as to why MS is focusing on the low end of the market, yet dislikes the fact MS hasn't introduced a new flagship and has repeatedly said MS needs a new flagship phone for the spec whores and enthusiasts who support WP.

    I think he has a good grasp on all sides of things and isn't stuck in his own tech bubble at all.
    01-10-2015 08:00 AM
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