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02-24-2015 09:33 AM
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  1. Nicholas Blackman's Avatar
    Ok,
    I acknowledge the growing "HW" limitations of my L1020 and even though the camera is pretty amazing, for me personally I don't notice a significant difference when comparing it to my colleague's L1520, and maybe i'll notice it even less with the new Lumia Camera.

    This alone told me that you never knew how to take advantage of the hardware on your 1020 for a start. And that's ok. Most people didn't. That's why Nokia designed the Nokia Camera with simple functionality for point-and-shooters too.
    Therefore, no, you won't experience any difference in image quality on the 930 apart from the obvious size of the pictures.

    That comes over as rather arrogant IMO. The 930 gives me better pictures for how I use a phone camera. I want to take it out of my pocket and shoot a pic, I have been well into photography for decades and have a Leica amongst other cameras. I'm perfectly capable of using manual settings but am not particularly interested in doing this on a phone camera. The 1020 pics were always disappointing when used as a point and shoot. It was a lot of hassle to get a pic which looked remotely impressive. The 930 on the other hand delivers.
    It did come across a bit harsh, I wasnt sure how to reply, thank you for saying this.

    I too myself have been into photography for many years now, and it's obviously the reason why I bought the L1020 in the first place. Likewise I am perfectly capable of using the manual settings but for a phone camera, you're exactly right this isn't what i want to do. I use my DSLR for important photo shoots sure the L1020 is more mobile but majority of the time I just need to point and shoot, and similarly more often than not i'm not blown away.
    That being said I appreciate what the L1020 is capable of and certainly when I downgrade to other phone cameras the contrast in some cases can be ridiculous. However this doesn't mean that the L1020 is the end all of camera phones and that nothing else on the market is not comparable.

    Thank you once again.
    Last edited by Nicholas Blackman; 02-23-2015 at 12:27 AM.
    02-23-2015 12:14 AM
  2. captaincalamity's Avatar
    Sd card are more trouble than they are worth, there are so many mass produced copies of Sandisc, cheap, unstable and get corrupted easily, slow at read/write speeds, give me internal memory everyday thanks
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    02-23-2015 12:43 AM
  3. Nicholas Blackman's Avatar
    Thanks is in order for everyone who posted a response, I appreciate them all I think i've gained quite an informed opinion about the L930 which is that it is not a clear winner due to one or two pet peeves but still a great option for a mobile device

    Just a few things of mention here in case I missed to point them out in my OP.

    My L1020's screen was recently damaged and is what made me decide to look towards upgrading (and yes I know how to use it's camera lol). The screen repair cost is roughly 60% of a L930 so I was considering it. Since the L930 and L1520 should be future proof for a while.

    I am ok with not having an SD card space is not really an issue to me as mostly my phone is only used for pictures and music small documents etc.

    Time i think is of the essence right now, as i do need something comparable to my L1020 for my line of work/study (Architecture). My current device is an old BB Z10 which is just.... horrid. So waiting 4-6 mths for the next Microsoft flagship isn't really something I had/wanted to consider... also flagship prices. Did that with the L920 which was then last Gen is approximately a year. My point being I guess is that technology is always advancing and i'm not too distressed about having what's fancy and new as long as it performs satisfactorily. After all if my L1020 never broke this whole thread wouldnt even be a question

    This week i'll go to test a L930 for myself to get a feel for it in my hand. Right now I think my only other concern is the metal strip I would imagine it gets ridiculously hot, my first windows phone (L920) used to as well but my L1020 never overheated to uncomfortable levels. Which leads me to think that this might be a defect in some models? So I guess it is hit or miss when you buy your phone, pretty much like everything else.

    So that being said I am trying to stick with the WP/Microsoft ecosystem as I love the OS and WP 10 can only get better. Any further reviews are appreciated as well, thank you for your time.
    02-23-2015 01:01 AM
  4. blue1k's Avatar
    Good plan. I grabbed a 930 from the 1020 and happy with the device hardware.
    02-23-2015 01:04 AM
  5. zkyevolved's Avatar
    Sd card are more trouble than they are worth, there are so many mass produced copies of Sandisc, cheap, unstable and get corrupted easily, slow at read/write speeds, give me internal memory everyday thanks
    You could say the same for replica phones, bags, shoes, computers, etc. You get anything that's a fake / replica / copy, you'll end up paying for it. Just make sure you buy it from a trusted place. :) That's all! I for one think internal storage SHOULD be 32GB minimum, and they should supplement it with a Micro SD card slot. I would love to put 128GB on my phone and carry my music library!
    02-23-2015 01:22 AM
  6. captaincalamity's Avatar
    You could say the same for replica phones, bags, shoes, computers, etc. You get anything that's a fake / replica / copy, you'll end up paying for it. Just make sure you buy it from a trusted place. :) That's all! I for one think internal storage SHOULD be 32GB minimum, and they should supplement it with a Micro SD card slot. I would love to put 128GB on my phone and carry my music library!
    I agree 32GB minimum internal storage should be a minimum these days, luckily my L930 has 32GB, 128GB of music, wow, that's one hell of a lot of music, i'm impressed, I tend to have most of my collection on a cloud server for streaming, use about 8GB on the L930 for stuff I have to have all the time, latest etc...then use Blinkbox, MixRadio etc...for all the other music I need
    02-23-2015 01:29 AM
  7. zkyevolved's Avatar
    I agree 32GB minimum internal storage should be a minimum these days, luckily my L930 has 32GB, 128GB of music, wow, that's one hell of a lot of music, i'm impressed, I tend to have most of my collection on a cloud server for streaming, use about 8GB on the L930 for stuff I have to have all the time, latest etc...then use Blinkbox, MixRadio etc...for all the other music I need


    I don't have 128 GB, but I have 60, easily. Right now I have Google Music. I'm not tied to any music service, so if it's true about what they say that in Windows Phone 10 you'll be able to stream all your music from OneDrive, I'd plop my music folder into OneDrive and stream that way. As of right now I'm using CloudMuzik which is a good app considering that there are only 2 that are decent. But CloudMuzik still leaves a lot to be desired. It also eats through my data! Haha. It always streams in top quality, which I don't mind sometimes. I missed that about Google Music. But hey, that's my issue.

    I would love to just download all the music to internal storage, but I'd eat up all my internal storage. That's why I stream everything. That's why I'd love to have a MicroSD card slot. I'm thinking about switching to the 1520, a used one for money reasons, and returning my L930 just to have a micro SD card slot.

    It's not only about the music. It's also about backups! My chat apps make their backups on SD card slots and not in internal memory (since we can't access them). So this makes it a nightmare for me to switch phones some day seeing as I'll lose all my chats and conversations just because I switch phones. So I don't know! haha. I have some time to think about it. It's just that the 1520 is SO HUGE!

    I love my 930. But yesterday battery life was not the best. I was off the charger for 6 hours and it went from 100 -> 40% in 6 hours with not so much use. Maybe 1 hour of usage, playing Tetris Blitz, browsing the web, and taking a total of 9 pictures.... I think that battery life leaves a lot to be desired and I don't know what Nokia did with this phone to not give it awesome battery life. It has older specs, lower res screens, less memory and a fatter body! It makes me feel like they COULD HAVE put in a 3,000 mAH battery AT LEAST!
    02-23-2015 01:37 AM
  8. captaincalamity's Avatar
    02-23-2015 02:04 AM
  9. Fred Wilson2's Avatar
    None of the Windows phones (that I'm aware of anyway) support USB OnTheGo.

    Fred


    Would something like this work
    USB 3-in-1 Flash Drive for Smart Phones
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    02-23-2015 07:22 AM
  10. zkyevolved's Avatar
    LOL. No! That's not an option! To carry around all your music with you in a flash drive defeats the purpose of it. Doesn't it? That's fragile and will break and occupy a lot of room! Regardless of it not being supported on WP. :).
    02-23-2015 08:07 AM
  11. scgf's Avatar
    The metal band on my 930 doesn't get hot at all. In fact it has that pleasing cold feel when I pick it up that only metal has. The phone rarely gets warm, much less so than my previous LG G3 or Nexus 5.
    02-23-2015 02:03 PM
  12. DJCBS's Avatar
    This week i'll go to test a L930 for myself to get a feel for it in my hand. Right now I think my only other concern is the metal strip I would imagine it gets ridiculously hot, my first windows phone (L920) used to as well but my L1020 never overheated to uncomfortable levels. Which leads me to think that this might be a defect in some models? So I guess it is hit or miss when you buy your phone, pretty much like everything else.
    The overheating on the 930 exists in all units. You'll have it, regardless of where you buy it, unforutanetly.

    As I said, I'm in my 3rd unit and they all overheated. I would advise anyone against the 930 as it's literally a waste of money. But everyone is free to do as they will. ;)
    02-23-2015 02:10 PM
  13. scgf's Avatar
    Mine gets warm sometimes, but never hot. I suppose it depends on what you do. I've never had a phone which doesn't get warm, and that includes the 930, 1020, Nexus 5, OnePlus One, iPhone 5 and 6 and my current 930.
    02-23-2015 02:21 PM
  14. Torontonian22's Avatar
    I switched from a 920 to a 930 a week ago so here's an honest opinion.

    I changed my 920 as it was getting old after 2 years. After having some issues, i decided to get the 930. To be honest, it's a good phone but it's not impressive by any means. It's... ok.

    First of all, the display... sharp if static. As soon as you scroll left or up and down, you'll want to puke. Colors get mixed up, it gets really blurry... nothing to brag about. Crazy saturation which, thank god, you can adjust. But still, the 920 display was much more comfortable to use despite its lower resolution.

    Camera is better.... which is not surprising considering the 920 aging hardware. But it's not like an incredible upgrade. Shots are sharper, sometimes too much actually. So, yeah, good but once again not great.

    I miss glance as i was used to it. I have owned the n9 and the 920 that both had it. However, i do understand that people don't use it and don't miss it. But it's not my case, i still miss it :)

    battery life is weak. Better than on the 920 however my 920 is 2 years old... another "ok but definitely not great".

    Double tap to wake is slow as ****, at least compared to the 920. It takes a few seconds to wake while it is still instant on the 920. Which pisses me off at times.

    It does get hot. People who try to defend this are simply wrong. It's an issue and you will notice it. The 920 had it so it's a bit disappointing to see it again. However, i was aware of it so i can't really be mad as it was my choice to get it.

    So, what's left you'll say? It's thinner, lighter, it feels better in the hands (way better actually), the camera is better, everything except the double tap is snappier and that's about it.

    So here's something to consider. Yes the 930 is a good phone and as i already said in another thread, i would have enjoyed the phone better if i was coming from a low-end phone. Coming from a 920 the gap in performance is noticeable but it's not really huge. In other words, looking at the 930 issues (for me), it is a minor upgrade not worth the investment, especially now. MS might introduce a new flagship soon, i would suggest you wait instead of purchasing a phone that may disappoint you. I got it brand new, unlocked, in box with a wireless charger for €300... that was actually good deal which makes the issues easier to swallow. But is it worth spending the full price? I wouldn't say so....
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    02-23-2015 02:45 PM
  15. scgf's Avatar
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    It does get hot. People who try to defend this are simply wrong. It's an issue and you will notice it. The 920 had it so it's a bit disappointing to see it again. However, i was aware of it so i can't really be mad as it was my choice to get it.
    ....
    OK, I'm obviously lying then. The heat depends on how intensively you're driving it. I'm not a gamer and have no games installed. I watch streaming video, do emails, web-browsing, listen to podcasts, WhatsApp, KiK, Netflix etc. and comfortably warm is about as hot as it gets.
    02-23-2015 03:04 PM
  16. Torontonian22's Avatar
    I think you got it wrong. I didn't say you were lying, on the contrary, i'm,pretty sure you know what your experience is like :). If you don't use the phone a lot, it gets warm, not hot, i agree with that. It actually gets warm in my pocket without being used so... Still warmer than other devices. If you play even a little game, it does get really really hot. Way hotter than any other phone.

    However, i was actually saying that trying to defend the fact that it's getting hot (or warm) "because it's normal" is wrong. You may love a platform, but trying to be blind about an issue that exists and that a lot of people complain about is wrong. Yes any phone phone will tend to get warm after being used heavily, but if you actually use the 930 heavily, it goes way beyond warm, and that is not normal. ;)
    02-23-2015 03:27 PM
  17. DJCBS's Avatar
    .

    OK, I'm obviously lying then. The heat depends on how intensively you're driving it. I'm not a gamer and have no games installed. I watch streaming video, do emails, web-browsing, listen to podcasts, WhatsApp, KiK, Netflix etc. and comfortably warm is about as hot as it gets.
    It's not a question of "lying". All you need to get the 930 turned into a frying pan is to run a good game in it. You can do a lot of things WITHOUT it heating up...but those are the same things you can do on low end phones.
    As soon as you do something on the 930 that ACTUALLY takes advantage of the snapdragon 800 in it, it will get way too hot. And that's the point when people complain about the heating issues.

    And quite honestly, if the 930 does this with a SD800, I'm really concerned with the phone that Microsoft might put out with the SD810. Because the SD810 IS giving problems with overheating. Reviews on the LG G Flex 2 - the only phone with the SD810 so far - report that the phone gets so hot that it actually makes the phone lag a lot and drains the battery very quickly.
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    02-23-2015 04:13 PM
  18. PiggyMiddle's Avatar
    It actually gets warm in my pocket without being used
    Ummm, 'without being used," -- by you, I assume you mean. It can depend greatly on the apps installed and running in the background. All the apps you install will have varying degrees of unattended use, as in, "in the pocket." That's why some phones will get warmer and hotter than others.

    That's also why some phones (same make/model) chew through the battery more than others. There are settings in Setup to restrict background tasks and I turn everything off that I can. I do not use the silly social apps and I do not need to be told that an email has arrived. Emails can wait until I am sitting down with a coffee and then check for emails. Unless of course I am expecting an urgent one, then every five minutes or so, I tap the email screen-icon and it goes off and checks on demand, no wasted battery there.

    Soooo, rather than J'acuse, let the dust settle based on the fact that not all phones are sitting in pockets in the same configuration.

    People seem to not think this stuff through completely enough before pouting and finger pointing. :)
    02-23-2015 04:25 PM
  19. Torontonian22's Avatar
    Yes, by me, obviously :)

    I do have set up my phone according to my usage and turned off the tasks i don't need to be running in the background. But thanks for the ideas, it may actually help those who don't know about this.

    Not all phones are sitting in pockets with the same configuration, i get that, but i did buy a SMARTphone right? So, is it wrong to expect my phone to be, let's say, smart? If i didn't need instant access to emails, if i didn't use my phone for media consumption, sharing files, monitoring social network activities, booking meetings for work and so on, i wouldn't buy a smartphone... the goal of smartphones is to handle more stuff and deal with things more smoothly and bring convenience. If you have to play "battery manager" for your phone to last or "task manager" for it not to get warm, then what's the point of this smartphone? If it becomes a hassle, then it's not right. If you need to turn everything off or not use it for it to remain at a normal temperature, then it's useless.

    I used a galaxy S5 for 2 weeks at work (which i didn't like btw) but the battery life last longer and it doesn't get even close to the 930 warmth with far more features turned on at the same time. Yes, it's inefficient to have everything turned on, but as you have said, to each his own usage. You don't use your phone as a smartphone... well, good for you actually. But you can't just blame people who buy a smartphone to use it a such, for using it the wrong way. We have different configurations, you even said it, but the 930 does not behave as a flagship smartphone should. That's all. Of course, if nothing was turned on, it wouldn't get hot but in that case, i'd better leave the phone completely off then or by a feature phone.

    The OP wanted an honest review, i'm giving an unbiased point of view. It's not because i paid for a phone that i will recommend it to everyone because i need to feel confident about my own purchase. I bought a phone, i'm a little disappointed with it (i loved my 920 so it's not against nokia or ms) and i'm just saying why i'm disappointed with it. I'm not here to start a war and i'm not pointing fingers at anyone. You disagree with me, it's your right to be but if you think i'm pouting or pointing fingers for sharing my experience and stating facts... then you missed the point.

    The only thing i said that was misunderstood (sorry if i wasn't clear enough) is that trying to find excuses for a phone that overheats = fanboyism. An issue is an issue. Trying to find excuses for a flaw is wrong. And i didn't target anybody specifically so nope, not pouting and not pointing fingers either. Just trying to give more thoughts for the OP to make the right decision for himself. Some people love the phone, some others have some issues. I think it's important for the OP to be aware of different poitn of views from people with different needs and expectations, that's all.

    PS: j'accuse has 2 "c" ;)
    Last edited by Torontonian22; 02-23-2015 at 05:11 PM.
    02-23-2015 04:49 PM
  20. captaincalamity's Avatar
    Weird even playing asphalt for 30 mins doesn't get the phone any hotter than my z3 ever did
    02-23-2015 04:52 PM
  21. Fred Wilson2's Avatar
    Exactly, Samsung has already ditched the 810 for the S6 coming out.
    They choose not to use that SoC because of the heat.

    :)
    Fred
    02-23-2015 06:01 PM
  22. zkyevolved's Avatar
    I am the first to complain about the heat. It's not HOT (like, enough to burn) in my usage. But it gets warm with the most minimum usage. If you're only on your home screen and staring at the livetiles, then you're golden. But as soon as you take some pictures, open emails, browse the options, etc. then you'll notice the heat. Since it isn't warm in an instant, and takes a few minutes, you'll notice it in your palm. I don't like the thought of it.

    I've just purchased the L1520 online. Hopefully it'll be better with battery life and heat. I actually missed the SD card and most of all, the battery life. The screen is larger, which will make texting and messaging better! That's THE reason why I'm getting a smartphone. As well as a great camera :). But I'll have both with me for a short period, and if I see that I can't deal with the 1520 I'll send it back and stick with the 930. But the 930 is an AWESOME phone. If 3 things were fixed, it would be the BEST PHONE on the market in my opinion.
    1) Battery life
    2) SD card slot
    3) Heating in my palm

    #2 is my personal pet peeve, but the others are actual issues that people are dealing with. Let's see what the next device is :)
    02-24-2015 07:28 AM
  23. mary beth hale's Avatar
    .

    OK, I'm obviously lying then. The heat depends on how intensively you're driving it. I'm not a gamer and have no games installed. I watch streaming video, do emails, web-browsing, listen to podcasts, WhatsApp, KiK, Netflix etc. and comfortably warm is about as hot as it gets.
    You described my experience as well. When it does get warm, I feel I in the lower right corner. Absolutely never gets anywhere near the definition of "hot". But then again, I am not a gamer either. A lot of people seem to have the heat issue but I am luckily not one of them.
    02-24-2015 08:17 AM
  24. PiggyMiddle's Avatar
    but i did buy a SMARTphone right?
    True, but from what you describe of your expectations for a smart phone, would be more in line with an Intelligent phone. You want the entire operating system to watch the entire app base and make decisions on your use patterns. A wonderful concept but sooo (I know "so" only has 1 "o") impractical. The best option for our current levels or reliable and practical AI (programmer for 40+ years) is pretty much as it now is -- let the user define what they want running.

    When you get in your car, does the engine start automatically because it thinks getting in means going somewhere? Does your car radio change stations when a heavy metal song comes on and you like 60s rock? Does your MP3 player skip Taylor Swift songs because your wife likes them and you don't and the player knows your wife is not within earshot?

    PS: j'accuse has 2 "c" ;)
    Thanks for that, I have been severely dyslexic since birth and if you are not so inflicted, you will fail to appreciate the later-frustration of looking at words that appear to be correct to find they are far from it. I re-read everything at least twice before posting then read again after posting. You may note that most of my posts will be marked as edited for that reason. But, even then I still get some wrong. I appreciate your kindly correction and will endeavor to read three times before posting and two times after.
    02-24-2015 09:33 AM
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