1. Whisker's Avatar
    I don't know if anybody has noticed this but if you go to asurion's Verizon page https://totalmobileprotection.verizo...e-and-coverage , and choose Nokia as the manufacturer at the bottom of the models the Lumia 929 is listed.
    Last edited by Dave Blake; 12-23-2013 at 06:16 PM.
    12-22-2013 01:15 PM
  2. Ebuka Allison's Avatar
    Whoa, just noticed
    12-22-2013 01:17 PM
  3. aximtreo's Avatar
    WOW, this means only 3 more months waiting till it's introduced. LOL
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    12-22-2013 01:59 PM
  4. Tjarren's Avatar
    Good catch. Wonder why it's the only Lumia with it's own category. The others are just under LUMIA.
    12-22-2013 02:55 PM
  5. raccoon210's Avatar
    Dang that's crazy! Where is this damn phone!
    12-22-2013 03:01 PM
  6. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Good catch. Wonder why it's the only Lumia with it's own category. The others are just under LUMIA.
    Because that's how much Verizon cares for WP8. That much.
    12-22-2013 04:41 PM
  7. Tjarren's Avatar
    Because that's how much Verizon cares for WP8. That much.
    True.

    Why did your comment remind me of this ... ?
    12-23-2013 01:00 AM
  8. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Woah, nice catch! I guess they will be calling it the 929 then, instead of the Icon.
    12-23-2013 01:04 AM
  9. IdemanEric's Avatar
    Maybe Verizon will get to keep my 5 lines after all... Pull the trigger and release the thing already!
    outlaw_d likes this.
    12-23-2013 03:23 AM
  10. dream_theory's Avatar
    Not holding my breath. AT&T is getting my money this afternoon and I'm walking away with a 1520.

    May turn into a lifetime Verizon boycotter after this, AT&T might have their share of flaws, but at least they aren't snobby to this degree about new devices.
    12-23-2013 08:05 AM
  11. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Not holding my breath. AT&T is getting my money this afternoon and I'm walking away with a 1520.

    May turn into a lifetime Verizon boycotter after this, AT&T might have their share of flaws, but at least they aren't snobby to this degree about new devices.
    I hope you enjoy the 1520. I'm on AT&T, and wish it came to them, as the 1520 is too big.
    12-23-2013 11:26 AM
  12. aximtreo's Avatar


    These guys already have the 929 case for sale; $16 or so shipped. Ordered one this morning. If Verizon never introduces this phone or under another name, at least the case will fit.
    12-23-2013 11:32 AM
  13. invertme's Avatar
    unstoppablekem
    I hope you enjoy the 1520. I'm on AT&T, and wish it came to them, as the 1520 is too big.
    I picked up a HTC ONE MAX because I was sick of waiting for the 929. It's even bigger than the 1520 and I think it's fine.

    IMO 99% of people who say a phone is too big have no clue what they are talking about. If you use it for a few days anything smaller seems inferior.
    12-23-2013 02:57 PM
  14. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    I picked up a HTC ONE MAX because I was sick of waiting for the 929. It's even bigger than the 1520 and I think it's fine.

    IMO 99% of people who say a phone is too big have no clue what they are talking about. If you use it for a few days anything smaller seems inferior.
    Or they, you know, just have a different preference.
    Zippier, outlaw_d, Kieta and 3 others like this.
    12-23-2013 04:15 PM
  15. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Not holding my breath. AT&T is getting my money this afternoon and I'm walking away with a 1520.

    May turn into a lifetime Verizon boycotter after this, AT&T might have their share of flaws, but at least they aren't snobby to this degree about new devices.
    I used to work for Verizon customer support many years ago...and yup, you nailed it. (No I'm not being sarcastic)
    12-23-2013 06:02 PM
  16. David Fleetwood's Avatar
    I used to work for Verizon customer support many years ago...and yup, you nailed it. (No I'm not being sarcastic)
    I was an engineer for AT&T several years back and you are right, the attitude was different. They did not care about the network, about customer support or about pricing, only about new devices. They felt their target market was 'gadget hounds' who had to always have the latest and greatest, and who could support themselves.

    Its fine for what it is, but quite frankly the reason I am on Verizon is that I can live without the absolute latest and greatest if the compromise is that my network sucks and when I need customer support its crap. I don't think Verizon is awesome or anything, but having driven across country several times it is extremely rare to not have a signal, they have always been excellent when I've needed modifications to my service or lines, and while they don't have the absolute bleeding edge devices, they are usually about 3-6 months behind AT&T, and well ahead of T-Mobile or Sprint.

    Its a set of tradeoffs. If my needs were different AT&T would be a potential choice. But I really can't hold it against either carrier picking a demographic and aggressively targeting it.
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    12-23-2013 08:02 PM
  17. falconrap's Avatar
    For me, I don't understand why Verizon needs the trade-off. In this day in age, Verizon should have a list of "spots" where it's best to check the ability of the phone to maintain a connection, and test the phones there. Total testing should only be a three months max. Verizon should, by virtue of their network, be able to get any phone they want, and I think most manufacturers would make sure the phone works right for them.

    In other words, why can't VZW have both the latest devices and great phone service? Why compromise at all?
    12-23-2013 09:40 PM
  18. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    I was an engineer for AT&T several years back and you are right, the attitude was different. They did not care about the network, about customer support or about pricing, only about new devices. They felt their target market was 'gadget hounds' who had to always have the latest and greatest, and who could support themselves.

    Its fine for what it is, but quite frankly the reason I am on Verizon is that I can live without the absolute latest and greatest if the compromise is that my network sucks and when I need customer support its crap. I don't think Verizon is awesome or anything, but having driven across country several times it is extremely rare to not have a signal, they have always been excellent when I've needed modifications to my service or lines, and while they don't have the absolute bleeding edge devices, they are usually about 3-6 months behind AT&T, and well ahead of T-Mobile or Sprint.

    Its a set of tradeoffs. If my needs were different AT&T would be a potential choice. But I really can't hold it against either carrier picking a demographic and aggressively targeting it.
    To be honest in the last several years Verizon customer support has taken a dive, a steep one. It's why I left, because the treatment of the CS folks was horrible and it was starting to show in the actual level of service provided to the customers. I jumped shipped before it could sink too far. I know people still there that wish they had jumped with me.

    I will say that while Verizon does have the larger coverage area (which is still true) that AT&T is also catching up on that front. My sister lives practically in the middle of nowhere here in Washington State and I get a full LTE signal at her place while she gets an iffy signal with her Verizon service.

    At my parents house it's a different story (and for them it's not practically it's a literal middle of nowhere) and neither has particularly great service...but they live less than a mile from a big military training area that is in the middle of farmland and dirt that has some equipment that I think interferes with their signal.

    For me, I don't understand why Verizon needs the trade-off. In this day in age, Verizon should have a list of "spots" where it's best to check the ability of the phone to maintain a connection, and test the phones there. Total testing should only be a three months max. Verizon should, by virtue of their network, be able to get any phone they want, and I think most manufacturers would make sure the phone works right for them.

    In other words, why can't VZW have both the latest devices and great phone service? Why compromise at all?
    I can actually answer that one.

    AT&T likes to reach out to the tech junkie crowd and have phones that are on the bleeding edge, which sometimes means having to wait on updates for things.

    Verizon likes to either carry models that other carriers have that are either the same, rebadged versions of the same thing (for instance the Verizon XV6900 was really just an unmodified HTC Touch...serious look it up), or slightly modified versions of an existing device (the Lumia 929 is a 5" version of the Lumia 1520) so that they have a more stable device ready to go out the door.

    The lag time is less than it used to be. It used to be up to 12-18 months behind, now it's usually just a few months.
    12-23-2013 09:49 PM
  19. David Fleetwood's Avatar
    For me, I don't understand why Verizon needs the trade-off. In this day in age, Verizon should have a list of "spots" where it's best to check the ability of the phone to maintain a connection, and test the phones there. Total testing should only be a three months max. Verizon should, by virtue of their network, be able to get any phone they want, and I think most manufacturers would make sure the phone works right for them.

    In other words, why can't VZW have both the latest devices and great phone service? Why compromise at all?
    Phones are subsidized so VZW has a choice to make: Spend money on the network, spend money on the latest and greatest phones, or raise prices. Right now they are roughly the same as AT&T price wise, so they chose to have the better network at the expense of not having the absolute latest phones.

    I think both are valid choices, and a lot of my friends are on AT&T specifically because they want the latest and greatest hardware. If it were an option I would too, but I won't compromise my network quality, I travel a lot and its an important selling point.
    12-24-2013 01:11 AM
  20. 5150 Joker's Avatar
    As much as I dislike ATT I'd pick them over Verizon and cdma any day.

    Sent from my RM-937_apac_hong_kong_222 using Tapatalk
    12-24-2013 02:51 AM
  21. Morpheus Phreak's Avatar
    Phones are subsidized so VZW has a choice to make: Spend money on the network, spend money on the latest and greatest phones, or raise prices. Right now they are roughly the same as AT&T price wise, so they chose to have the better network at the expense of not having the absolute latest phones.

    I think both are valid choices, and a lot of my friends are on AT&T specifically because they want the latest and greatest hardware. If it were an option I would too, but I won't compromise my network quality, I travel a lot and its an important selling point.
    That actually has nothing to do with it interestingly enough. These days they are not far enough behind to get a discount on the models, and even when they were far behind they didn't get a discount since the companies had to extend the manufacturing of a product past the normal timeframe that they would produce it.

    The decision was almost entirely to do with reliability of a device after it has already received several updates on the other networks.

    As much as I dislike ATT I'd pick them over Verizon and cdma any day.

    Sent from my RM-937_apac_hong_kong_222 using Tapatalk
    Luckily this isn't as much of an issue with the newer 4G/LTE technologies. It will only be a couple more years before it's a complete non-issue, but I still agree at this point that I prefer AT&T over VZW.
    12-24-2013 04:26 AM
  22. Kebero's Avatar
    As much as I dislike ATT I'd pick them over Verizon and cdma any day.

    While I do agree with the sentiment, at least we know that all VZW LTE devices have the GSM portion unlocked. I once used my company ATT SIM in an HTC Imago that was on my personal VZW line. If the 929/Icon looks good and is priced right on release, compared with the RM-937, I may put it on the top of my list.
    12-24-2013 03:38 PM
  23. David Fleetwood's Avatar
    That actually has nothing to do with it interestingly enough. These days they are not far enough behind to get a discount on the models, and even when they were far behind they didn't get a discount since the companies had to extend the manufacturing of a product past the normal timeframe that they would produce it.

    The decision was almost entirely to do with reliability of a device after it has already received several updates on the other networks.
    I do not really agree with this assertion. Reliability is likely one factor, but you underestimate savings by waiting. ARM generations are moving every 6-12 months, and a phone loses a couple hundred in value fairly rapidly now. In the past they also took advantage of this cycle since phones would drop in value before hitting second tier markets(manufacturing did not end just because a phone wasn't a hot item in the US/EU anymore). When the 929 was first rumored the Snapdragon 800 was just hitting the market. By the time it is released, the Snapdragon 805 will be in prototypes and Qualcomm will be discounting the older chipset just in time for Verizon to ramp up volume.

    Luckily this isn't as much of an issue with the newer 4G/LTE technologies. It will only be a couple more years before it's a complete non-issue, but I still agree at this point that I prefer AT&T over VZW.
    I would go further and say its a complete non-issue. Most VZ phones are unlocked nowadays, I just returned from a trip to China and my HTC 8X worked just fine on China Telcomm without any special unlocking, just popped in a local SIM. The phones today support both CDMA and GSM for the most part, and from a customer point of view 'favoring' one tech over the other is pretty dumb. Historically when phone chipsets were one or the other it made some sense, but even then it depended on where you were travelling, GSM was huge in the EU, CDMA was huge in Asia. Nowadays there is no difference and its a not a differentiating factor.
    12-24-2013 03:40 PM
  24. psamf24's Avatar
    yea but i do not see the 928 listed? did some one did a list mistake
    12-24-2013 03:54 PM

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