1. Jas00555's Avatar
    I mean, the title speaks for itself. I know that Verizon uses CDMA(which I think doesn't use SIM cards?), but I thought these things did have SIM cards, so says some people. Can someone clarify?
    01-21-2014 10:17 AM
  2. Scorpio5x0's Avatar
    It is a LTE device, so it uses a sim card and should work on AT&T network. And the good thing is all Verizon phones are unlocked. The only thing I would check after the release is if there any complaints of text messaging not working properly. I know people have complained on these forums of having texting issues with other phones, but not totally sure how they got it resolved.
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    01-21-2014 10:46 AM
  3. Jas00555's Avatar
    It is a LTE device, so it uses a sim card and should work on AT&T network. And the good thing is all Verizon phones are unlocked. The only thing I would check after the release is if there any complaints of text messaging not working properly. I know people have complained on these forums of having texting issues with other phones, but not totally sure how they got it resolved.
    does that mean that only the LTE will work? AT&T's LTE isn't great where I live so I would rather not rely just on that.
    01-21-2014 10:54 AM
  4. tgp's Avatar
    does that mean that only the LTE will work? AT&T's LTE isn't great where I live so I would rather not rely just on that.
    I don't believe all Verizon LTE devices have the same LTE bands available. I mean, they of course all have the LTE bands that Verizon uses, but possible not others. I do know that the Verizon iPhone 5s has more LTE bands, and LTE works on other carriers. If AT&T's LTE isn't great where you live, then you may not care if LTE doesn't work. 3G/HSPA should work fine.
    01-21-2014 11:43 AM
  5. Scorpio5x0's Avatar
    There is no positive way to know for sure until it is finally announced and specs are released. But thus far Verizon Windows Phones are capable of working on LTE, CDMA, and GSM networks. I would expect since the Icon is to be a high end device it will also classify as a global device and work on all networks.
    01-21-2014 06:47 PM
  6. boovish's Avatar
    does that mean that only the LTE will work? AT&T's LTE isn't great where I live so I would rather not rely just on that.
    No. You will only get H+ and 3G. And barely any Verizon phones are unlocked. Only the Nokia ones because they were nice enough to do that
    01-21-2014 07:40 PM
  7. Kebero's Avatar
    No. You will only get H+ and 3G. And barely any Verizon phones are unlocked. Only the Nokia ones because they were nice enough to do that
    All Verizon smartphones that have LTE are unlocked these days. I remember putting an AT&T SIM in my HTC Imagio several years ago and using it with my work number. Mind you, only the GSM radio is carrier unlocked.
    01-21-2014 07:48 PM
  8. RichHowerton's Avatar
    No. You will only get H+ and 3G. And barely any Verizon phones are unlocked. Only the Nokia ones because they were nice enough to do that
    Are you saying that the Verizon LTE phone will not be able to use At&T LTE bands?
    01-21-2014 07:52 PM
  9. tgp's Avatar
    No. You will only get H+ and 3G. And barely any Verizon phones are unlocked. Only the Nokia ones because they were nice enough to do that
    I used a Verizon iPhone 5 on AT&T, so evidently Apple was nice enough to do it too!

    Kebero is correct. The reason they're unlocked is because Verizon is obligated to leave their LTE devices SIM unlocked due to an agreement with the FCC. Their LTE devices have GSM capabilities because that's what LTE uses. A Verizon device that does not have LTE is not unlocked, nor does it have GSM.
    01-21-2014 08:37 PM
  10. Kebero's Avatar
    Are you saying that the Verizon LTE phone will not be able to use At&T LTE bands?
    That is correct .
    01-21-2014 10:55 PM
  11. hopmedic's Avatar
    It is a LTE device, so it uses a sim card and should work on AT&T network. And the good thing is all Verizon phones are unlocked. The only thing I would check after the release is if there any complaints of text messaging not working properly. I know people have complained on these forums of having texting issues with other phones, but not totally sure how they got it resolved.
    It has nothing to do with LTE. It has to do with the phones having GSM radios. Without GSM radios in the phones (virtually all of Verizon's smart phones are world phones now), it would be brick if you put an ATT SIM in the phone.

    No. You will only get H+ and 3G. And barely any Verizon phones are unlocked. Only the Nokia ones because they were nice enough to do that
    Barely any Verizon phones are unlocked...... Umm... No. All Verizon phones that have LTE are prohibited from being carrier locked.

    47 CFR 27.16 - Network access requirements for Block C in the 746-757 and 776-787 MHz bands. | LII / Legal Information Institute
    [TIP](e) Handset locking prohibited. No licensee may disable features on handsets it provides to customers, to the extent such features are compliant with the licensee's standards pursuant to paragraph (b)of this section, nor configure handsets it provides to prohibit use of such handsets on other providers' networks.[/TIP]
    01-22-2014 12:28 PM
  12. Blacklac's Avatar
    Verizon has had world phones for years.

    It depends on the radio the phone has. There's a good chance you'll be stuck with a phone that only uses Wifi or EDGE.
    01-22-2014 12:50 PM
  13. Jas00555's Avatar
    Does the 928 work on AT&T? I thought it did after some workarounds. If the 928 works, then the 929 should.
    01-22-2014 04:11 PM
  14. fdalbor's Avatar
    This Verizon/AT&T thing is a total mess. If you are following the debacle that is going on with the moto G (99$ verizon only version) and verizon you would know what I mean. How in the world could the FCC allow things to get this out of hand. Phones that only work on certain carriers, phones that only work on certain parts of the network of certain carriers etc, etc, etc. Its like a bad b movie. And we are being made to watch it.
    01-22-2014 05:19 PM
  15. tgp's Avatar
    This Verizon/AT&T thing is a total mess. If you are following the debacle that is going on with the moto G (99$ verizon only version) and verizon you would know what I mean. How in the world could the FCC allow things to get this out of hand. Phones that only work on certain carriers, phones that only work on certain parts of the network of certain carriers etc, etc, etc. Its like a bad b movie. And we are being made to watch it.
    I'm not sure what you mean by "debacle" with the Moto G, but this doesn't apply. The Moto G does not have LTE, therefore no GSM, therefore no SIM card, therefore it is not unlocked. Only Verizon's LTE devices are unlocked. The Moto G wouldn't work in most of the world even if it was unlocked because it's CDMA. I have no clue whether an unlocked CDMA device is even feasible.
    01-22-2014 05:47 PM
  16. hopmedic's Avatar
    Does the 928 work on AT&T? I thought it did after some workarounds. If the 928 works, then the 929 should.
    I got an 822 working on Straight Talk with one of their ATT SIM cards for my step-daughter. Took some tweaking but it works fine. Not sure if LTE or not, but everything else is good.
    01-23-2014 11:24 AM
  17. hopmedic's Avatar
    ...The Moto G does not have LTE, therefore no GSM...
    Not having LTE does not mean not having GSM radios. I've had several Verizon phones that had GSM radios but no LTE. HTC Trophy, HTC Touch Pro II, and a Blackberry (don't remember model), and possibly more. Verizon has been selling "World" phones for years, and they all have SIM cards (mine all said Vodaphone on them).

    The rest of your statement looks correct, but I just wanted to clear that up.
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    01-23-2014 11:30 AM
  18. WPmunkey's Avatar
    Only the Nokia ones because they were nice enough to do that
    Well that's not true.
    01-23-2014 11:42 AM
  19. Angry_Mushroom's Avatar
    Well now. I think I might have found a new Lumia to replace my 810. If it does have working GSM antennas... I'm most pleased.
    01-24-2014 03:54 PM

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