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  1. Astropin's Avatar
    Perhaps you should move away from Windows, the A #1 most virally infected OS in desktop/laptop/tablet computing. </snark>
    Touche

    But....when it comes to running my business moving away from Windows really isn't a viable option; so I just have to deal with the threats.

    However, the fact that you say you can do virtually everything on your Nexus 5 that you can on your L920 is interesting. I guess I just assumed (I know, I know) that moving to a WP would just make everything "smoother" between my PC and my phone. Hmmm?
    02-04-2014 01:28 PM
  2. Tjarren's Avatar
    Ditto - I check here EVERY day and check Verizon's web site every other day hoping to suddenly see the phone for sale.

    I have a Note 3 coming tomorrow to play with for a month at least. That will keep me busy.
    invertme: [to Icon] Remember when you left R&D? Before all this, before 1520? You were gone seven months. Seven months I waited, hoping that you wouldn't come back. Every day, I took a holiday. I went to WPCentral forums, there's this thread, in the middle of the Lumias. Every fine evening, I'd sit there and order a Fernet Branca. I had this fantasy, that I would look across the new releases and I'd see you there, with a charging pad and maybe a couple of cases. You wouldn't say anything to me, nor me to you. But we'd both know that you'd made it, that you were real. I never wanted you to come back to rumorland. I always knew there was nothing here for you, except pain and tragedy. And I wanted something more for you than that. I still do.

    02-04-2014 02:06 PM
  3. airjeff's Avatar
    Touche

    But....when it comes to running my business moving away from Windows really isn't a viable option; so I just have to deal with the threats.

    However, the fact that you say you can do virtually everything on your Nexus 5 that you can on your L920 is interesting. I guess I just assumed (I know, I know) that moving to a WP would just make everything "smoother" between my PC and my phone. Hmmm?
    I've been using a GS4 for about 5 months and a 928 for a few months before that. I can say Windows Phone 8 integrates better and easier with the Microsoft ecosystem than an Android phone. The GS4 does alright, but it isn't snappy and fluid. My GS4 often requires reboots where my 928 rarely, if ever, did. About all I installed were OneNote, Outlook.com, google authenticator and Microsoft RDP. So, I don't think it is apps that are causing me issues, just what you expect from a GS4 I guess. I think the biggest pain is that there is no way to create new contacts in my Hotmail account from my phone. If you are using 3rd party apps to either Google or Microsoft I can see where it wouldn't make much difference between platforms. But, since it sounds like you have many Microsoft pieces your are tying together I think you'd enjoy a Windows Phone.
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    02-04-2014 02:28 PM
  4. IdemanEric's Avatar
    I've been using a GS4 for about 5 months and a 928 for a few months before that. I can say Windows Phone 8 integrates better and easier with the Microsoft ecosystem than an Android phone. The GS4 does alright, but it isn't snappy and fluid. My GS4 often requires reboots where my 928 rarely, if ever, did. About all I installed were OneNote, Outlook.com, google authenticator and Microsoft RDP. So, I don't think it is apps that are causing me issues, just what you expect from a GS4 I guess. I think the biggest pain is that there is no way to create new contacts in my Hotmail account from my phone. If you are using 3rd party apps to either Google or Microsoft I can see where it wouldn't make much difference between platforms. But, since it sounds like you have many Microsoft pieces your are tying together I think you'd enjoy a Windows Phone.
    I am hoping as well, that WP will close the loop for me. I have a Windows 8 PC at work, Windows 8 PC at home and Windows 8 Surface Pro 2. I have not one complaint with Android at all and it has been a wonderful upgrade from Apple devices. However, I am assuming that the integration between everything in my world will just be easier with WP. I also want a good camera and that seems to fit the bill.

    My main concern has always been the specs and it has always been a deal breaker. Windows Phones always seemed like the type of phone they give you free when you sign a contract or the ones that come with the local pre-paid carriers (including the plastic looking 928) Until I saw the 1520 and it actually looked bold and sharp and modern, if a bit too big for me. I think 2014 will completely change the game for WP. If someone would learn how to run a marketing and distribution system that can compete. So far the Icon suggests that not happening, but I have hope.

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    02-04-2014 09:06 PM
  5. falconrap's Avatar
    How is it a "trick" when they specifically ask you to accept their permissions and you CHOOSE ok? Hmmmmm

    Sent from my SM-N900V using Tapatalk
    Seriously? The average user doesn't even READ those things. And even then, some of these apps look like perfectly legitimate apps that should have the access they are asking for. I prefer to not worry about what apps may or may not do and just be able to use what is available out there. WP generally doesn't have this issue, though I do know one app slipped through, but was pulled as soon as it was discovered.

    Oh, and when you use Android, no matter what you think, Google is your pimp. Period. You are not their customer...you are their product. To MS YOU are the customer, with ad revenue being nothing more than a secondary income stream. Big difference.
    02-04-2014 09:19 PM
  6. David Fleetwood's Avatar
    Oh, and when you use Android, no matter what you think, Google is your pimp. Period. You are not their customer...you are their product. To MS YOU are the customer, with ad revenue being nothing more than a secondary income stream. Big difference.
    So I want to respond to this specifically. It is largely true, Google sells the user as the product, not the software. However for many people services like Google give them more than enough value that even if they were aware of all the ways their personal information is valuable to Google, it would not matter as the value proposition would be worth it. That is a perfectly valid stance to hold, and I do not have a problem with it or look down on others for holding it.

    Personally I value my information more highly, but I acknowledge that that may be a poor decision. But its my decision to make, and is no more or less valid than others who do not want to pay for software trading personal information for software instead.
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    02-04-2014 10:02 PM
  7. Markham Ranja's Avatar
    Oh, and when you use Android, no matter what you think, Google is your pimp. Period. You are not their customer...you are their product. To MS YOU are the customer, with ad revenue being nothing more than a secondary income stream. Big difference.
    The difference being that Google provides free services and in return, shows ads. They don't "pimp" anything and it shows a level of immaturity and general distastefulness when you bring such words into a forum like this - save it for somethingawful or reddit.

    Also, with "features" like ads in W8.1 search and the recent ads appearing in Here Maps, it would appear that MS are charging money for their product as well as selling ads. Which is not nice, to say the least.
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    02-05-2014 12:17 AM
  8. falconrap's Avatar
    The difference being that Google provides free services and in return, shows ads. They don't "pimp" anything and it shows a level of immaturity and general distastefulness when you bring such words into a forum like this - save it for somethingawful or reddit.

    Also, with "features" like ads in W8.1 search and the recent ads appearing in Here Maps, it would appear that MS are charging money for their product as well as selling ads. Which is not nice, to say the least.
    How does using the word pimp have anything to do with maturity? Serving ads is fine. I have no issue with that, especially if a path is provided to remove them. The difference is MS allows ads that are generally targeted based on the basic consumer knowledge they gather from the products you buy from them. Google scans your data and sells you to others. That's pimping. What other word would you like me to use? Slave master wouldn't be correct because you aren't really Google's slave since you are free to leave at anytime. Pimp is more appropriate because if you want to use their phones and services, you have to let them sell you.
    02-05-2014 04:57 AM
  9. falconrap's Avatar
    So I want to respond to this specifically. It is largely true, Google sells the user as the product, not the software. However for many people services like Google give them more than enough value that even if they were aware of all the ways their personal information is valuable to Google, it would not matter as the value proposition would be worth it. That is a perfectly valid stance to hold, and I do not have a problem with it or look down on others for holding it.

    Personally I value my information more highly, but I acknowledge that that may be a poor decision. But its my decision to make, and is no more or less valid than others who do not want to pay for software trading personal information for software instead.
    If people want to knowingly do that, I'm OK with it, but Google doesn't openly tell you everything they do and I think most consumers would be alarmed if they knew just how much data Google mines, from where they do it, and what they do with all that data. Most people don't even know a tenth of it.
    02-05-2014 04:58 AM
  10. IdemanEric's Avatar
    Another "leaked" release date has come and gone. ZERO communication from the manufacturer or the carrier. ZERO timeline provided by anyone credible. Leaks from so called "reputable" sources that are complete B. S... I am now looking at other options. My HTC One gets too hot and I would like a slightly larger screen and a better camera. This will be the 5th line WP has lost since Thanksgiving because Verizon will not communicate even the slightest timeline. Time to start looking... Damn!

    Posted via the WPC App for Android!
    02-05-2014 10:31 AM
  11. Tjarren's Avatar
    Another "leaked" release date has come and gone. ZERO communication from the manufacturer or the carrier. ZERO timeline provided by anyone credible. Leaks from so called "reputable" sources that are complete B. S... I am now looking at other options. My HTC One gets too hot and I would like a slightly larger screen and a better camera. This will be the 5th line WP has lost since Thanksgiving because Verizon will not communicate even the slightest timeline. Time to start looking... Damn!

    Posted via the WPC App for Android!
    Earlier last month I called a 3 month AT&T exclusivity for the 1520 and I may have been more right than I wanted to be ...
    02-05-2014 07:37 PM
  12. Justin Christensen's Avatar
    I won't be getting the Icon anymore. I wanted to switch from Android to WP, but it just wasn't in the cards I guess. My main issue was the shocking lack of good medical reference apps (I'm a medical student starting rounds soon). I really couldn't wait for them to eventually come to the platform, need them now. The other issue is I just couldn't wait anymore for this damn thing to be released. I have learned an important lesson though, I will never again wait for a phone to be released (especially without an official launch date). I'll try checking out WP again in a couple years.
    Went with the Note 3 and I'm loving it. It'll be a great tool for the wards.
    02-06-2014 12:43 PM
  13. Astropin's Avatar
    I won't be getting the Icon anymore. I wanted to switch from Android to WP, but it just wasn't in the cards I guess. My main issue was the shocking lack of good medical reference apps (I'm a medical student starting rounds soon). I really couldn't wait for them to eventually come to the platform, need them now. The other issue is I just couldn't wait anymore for this damn thing to be released. I have learned an important lesson though, I will never again wait for a phone to be released (especially without an official launch date). I'll try checking out WP again in a couple years.
    Went with the Note 3 and I'm loving it. It'll be a great tool for the wards.
    Sounds like you shouldn't have been waiting for it at all. I think you made the right choice given your particular needs.
    02-06-2014 12:54 PM
  14. JudgeHolden's Avatar
    Another "leaked" release date has come and gone. ZERO communication from the manufacturer or the carrier. ZERO timeline provided by anyone credible. Leaks from so called "reputable" sources that are complete B. S... I am now looking at other options. My HTC One gets too hot and I would like a slightly larger screen and a better camera. This will be the 5th line WP has lost since Thanksgiving because Verizon will not communicate even the slightest timeline. Time to start looking... Damn!

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    Why would the manufacturer or carrier say anything until everything is set in stone?
    Communicating prior to that is a bad idea.

    Consumers demand communication, but the way they act when they get that communication is why it never comes. If the date is too far out they complain. If the date changes they complain. If the product launches in less than perfect shape, needing patching done after the date, they complain.

    If Verizon and Nokia had it their way no one would know the Icon was coming until they were ready for people to know. But it didn't work that way. Yet you blame them.
    02-06-2014 01:13 PM
  15. jpling's Avatar
    Sounds like you shouldn't have been waiting for it at all. I think you made the right choice given your particular needs.
    you won't regret the note 3!! It is an AMAZING device. I went with the device myself and love it. I have my L928 as a weekend phone but unfortunately android has the apps for anything and everything. I haven't given up hope though wp8 app store grows by leaps and bounds daily. Once we get more market share things will get going. But we need more people coming and staying. I have room for my two favorite mobile OS's in my life but would LOVE one day to rely on wp8 solely. Almost there!!!
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    02-06-2014 01:20 PM
  16. Astropin's Avatar
    If Verizon and Nokia had it their way no one would know the Icon was coming until they were ready for people to know. But it didn't work that way. Yet you blame them.
    It was Verizon themselves that posted up a test page for the Icon on their website........TWICE!
    02-06-2014 02:03 PM
  17. puttlikezach's Avatar
    Another "leaked" release date has come and gone. ZERO communication from the manufacturer or the carrier. ZERO timeline provided by anyone credible. Leaks from so called "reputable" sources that are complete B. S... I am now looking at other options. My HTC One gets too hot and I would like a slightly larger screen and a better camera. This will be the 5th line WP has lost since Thanksgiving because Verizon will not communicate even the slightest timeline. Time to start looking... Damn!

    Posted via the WPC App for Android!
    I gave up on the 929 a week after they put a place holder ad on their test website. I'm in the same boat with my HTC One. The camera is ok (not great) until you do any sort of zoom. Growing tired of Google tracking every key strike and trying to get me to buy the new Titleist Driver I simply wanted to check out. Verizon is going to lose about $350 (we have 5 lines) a month to AT&T not because they have no idea how to roll out a new WP, but because they couldn't care less about anything other than Iphone or Galaxy. I'll be getting the 1820 from AT&T when they release that beast. You can be sure AT&T will do a proper release.
    IdemanEric likes this.
    02-06-2014 02:34 PM
  18. maevinj's Avatar
    I gave up on the 929 a week after they put a place holder ad on their test website. I'm in the same boat with my HTC One. The camera is ok (not great) until you do any sort of zoom. Growing tired of Google tracking every key strike and trying to get me to buy the new Titleist Driver I simply wanted to check out. Verizon is going to lose about $350 (we have 5 lines) a month to AT&T not because they have no idea how to roll out a new WP, but because they couldn't care less about anything other than Iphone or Galaxy. I'll be getting the 1820 from AT&T when they release that beast. You can be sure AT&T will do a proper release.
    No offense, but Verizon doesn't care if they lose you. They probably wouldn't care if every single member of wpcentral moved their contracts. WP users just don't make up enough of their business. I mean they have over 70 million customers. You'd have to have a mass exodus of at least 100k subscribers leave all at ONCE for them to take notice. Sorry, it's just the way it is.
    02-06-2014 02:42 PM
  19. theefman's Avatar
    No offense, but Verizon doesn't care if they lose you. They probably wouldn't care if every single member of wpcentral moved their contracts. WP users just don't make up enough of their business. I mean they have over 70 million customers. You'd have to have a mass exodus of at least 100k subscribers leave all at ONCE for them to take notice. Sorry, it's just the way it is.
    Might well be true but every customer counts. Maybe some time down the line a disgruntled customer decides not to go with Verizon for a corporate contract, then it matters. Personally I would never use a cdma carrier who has complete control over which phone I use, especially with a less popular OS like WP.
    02-06-2014 03:18 PM
  20. puttlikezach's Avatar
    No offense, but Verizon doesn't care if they lose you. They probably wouldn't care if every single member of wpcentral moved their contracts. WP users just don't make up enough of their business. I mean they have over 70 million customers. You'd have to have a mass exodus of at least 100k subscribers leave all at ONCE for them to take notice. Sorry, it's just the way it is.
    As a Verizon customer for over 10 years I can only confirm wholeheartedly what you just said. I'm very aware that they don't care about me or my $400 a month (added a couple jet pack/hot spot deals a few months ago). They only care about acquiring new customers. Do I suppose this is any different with AT&T? No - but at least I'll have a good selection of WP devices to choose from and the freedom to bring online an unlocked phone if I ever need/want to.
    KevinRahimi likes this.
    02-06-2014 05:05 PM
  21. IdemanEric's Avatar
    Why would the manufacturer or carrier say anything until everything is set in stone?
    Communicating prior to that is a bad idea.

    Consumers demand communication, but the way they act when they get that communication is why it never comes. If the date is too far out they complain. If the date changes they complain. If the product launches in less than perfect shape, needing patching done after the date, they complain.

    If Verizon and Nokia had it their way no one would know the Icon was coming until they were ready for people to know. But it didn't work that way. Yet you blame them.
    Samsung has announced an event that will likely result in the GS5 at MWC - as planned. Apple will launch the iPhone 6 like clockwork, LG has given a good amount of official info on the course they will follow with the LG G Pro2 and even clarified that certain leaked photos were not real. LG is thinking of pushing the G3 date forward... Ect.

    My point is that Microsoft and Nokia and Verizon have been completely silent - even in the face of actual phones being used by actual humans and instead they look at the consumer like a confused puppy when asked about it even after it appeared on their own website... Twice. It's just pathetic marketing. The anecdotal evidence of people buying other phones because of the lack of communication adds up to something. Tech sites are even writing about the sad state of WP release time lines. I blame them because it's so lame that a large company could "control the messaging" so poorly. They truly have zero control of their brand imaging, which is already "nice camera... BUT." It is maddening.

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    02-06-2014 06:35 PM
  22. UncleGrandpa's Avatar
    Those that had to have this phone when it first leaked must really take pause now because some real *** kicking hardware is just around the corner by several manufactures.

    Verizon currently focuses their efforts on android and iPhone sales and if the Icon isn't proof of that, I don't know what is.

    Not all of us are haters of Google and Apple. Look at those posting here that are using iPhones and android phones but share the anticipation of the Icon which is going to sell very well.

    But no matter what camp you are in there is no denying that delaying the Icon has made many of us who would have bought it a couple months ago in a heartbeat ... Are not thinking that way now.






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    02-06-2014 06:49 PM
  23. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    But no matter what camp you are in there is no denying that delaying the Icon has made many of us who would have bought it a couple months ago in a heartbeat ... Are not thinking that way now.
    So like...all 15 of you?

    Look, my dear friends who are posting on forum dedicated to your phone, I really enjoy your presence and thoughts. But let's not confuse 'us' with the general public. The general public has never heard of this phone, so it's not like they are 'waiting' for it like we are. (Although, maybe NOW you understand why companies hate leaks so much. Had none of you seen a 929 leak, you would have been oblivious).

    Sure, some came out of contracts and bought something else. Nokia ain't happy about it. I'm sure Verizon would rather not have a phone delayed...for whatever reason. But when this phone comes out, it will still have a chance like any other phone coming out. Shoot, if the Moto X can fail hard, then anything can fail. Likewise if the POS of 'Droid series can be successful, anything can be succesful on Verizon.

    The 929 is a really good phone. As good if not better than the 1520 (due to its size). For those who are waiting, they'll be very happy with it. For those who moved on, hopefully they're happy with their choice.

    At the end of the day, most people don't put too much thought into their purchases. though. Regarding some "real *** kicking hardware", I know a lot what's coming at MWC--even for Android--and I don't share that enthusiasm, sorry. Nice? Yes. Mind blowing or *** kicking? Ehhh...
    02-06-2014 06:55 PM
  24. Tjarren's Avatar
    No offense, but Verizon doesn't care if they lose you. They probably wouldn't care if every single member of wpcentral moved their contracts. WP users just don't make up enough of their business. I mean they have over 70 million customers. You'd have to have a mass exodus of at least 100k subscribers leave all at ONCE for them to take notice. Sorry, it's just the way it is.
    More like 119+ million. You're even MORE insignificant than you thought! Congratulations!
    02-06-2014 07:13 PM
  25. Tjarren's Avatar
    So like...all 15 of you?

    Look, my dear friends who are posting on forum dedicated to your phone, I really enjoy your presence and thoughts. But let's not confuse 'us' with the general public. The general public has never heard of this phone, so it's not like they are 'waiting' for it like we are. (Although, maybe NOW you understand why companies hate leaks so much. Had none of you seen a 929 leak, you would have been oblivious).

    Sure, some came out of contracts and bought something else. Nokia ain't happy about it. I'm sure Verizon would rather not have a phone delayed...for whatever reason. But when this phone comes out, it will still have a chance like any other phone coming out. Shoot, if the Moto X can fail hard, then anything can fail. Likewise if the POS of 'Droid series can be successful, anything can be succesful on Verizon.

    The 929 is a really good phone. As good if not better than the 1520 (due to its size). For those who are waiting, they'll be very happy with it. For those who moved on, hopefully they're happy with their choice.

    At the end of the day, most people don't put too much thought into their purchases. though. Regarding some "real *** kicking hardware", I know a lot what's coming at MWC--even for Android--and I don't share that enthusiasm, sorry. Nice? Yes. Mind blowing or *** kicking? Ehhh...
    But would you agree that for whatever reason that Nokia decided to focus their manufacturing efforts on the 1520 instead of the Icon for the holiday season have seriously affected the WP install base in North America for the final quarter of 2013?

    The Lumia 822 was a fantastic seller for Verizon during the holiday season of 2012 and thereafter for months. It sold better than the 920 IIRC, even though it was a lesser device. And while the release period hasn't been as long, the 928 hasn't impressed as much with it's sales numbers from what I've read. Getting a desirable Nokia device on Verizon during the holiday season would seem like a priority for all involved based on the admittedly amateur analysis that I've given here, but it apparently wasn't. Then we read that Lumia sales disappointed last quarter ...
    02-06-2014 07:21 PM
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