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  1. 332's Avatar
    But would you agree that for whatever reason that Nokia decided to focus their manufacturing efforts on the 1520 instead of the Icon for the holiday season have seriously affected the WP install base in North America for the final quarter of 2013?

    The Lumia 822 was a fantastic seller for Verizon during the holiday season of 2012 and thereafter for months. It sold better than the 920 IIRC, even though it was a lesser device. And while the release period hasn't been as long, the 928 hasn't impressed as much with it's sales numbers from what I've read. Getting a desirable Nokia device on Verizon during the holiday season would seem like a priority for all involved based on the admittedly amateur analysis that I've given here, but it apparently wasn't. Then we read that Lumia sales disappointed last quarter ...
    Where did you hear that the Icon's delay was caused by Nokia focusing their manufacturing efforts on the 1520?
    02-06-2014 07:37 PM
  2. mtalinm's Avatar
    I thought it had to be Feb 6th. I am just so dismayed now. maybe it is time to give up my unlimited data and go to ATT
    02-06-2014 07:56 PM
  3. IdemanEric's Avatar
    So like...all 15 of you?

    Look, my dear friends who are posting on forum dedicated to your phone, I really enjoy your presence and thoughts. But let's not confuse 'us' with the general public. The general public has never heard of this phone, so it's not like they are 'waiting' for it like we are. (Although, maybe NOW you understand why companies hate leaks so much. Had none of you seen a 929 leak, you would have been oblivious).

    Sure, some came out of contracts and bought something else. Nokia ain't happy about it. I'm sure Verizon would rather not have a phone delayed...for whatever reason. But when this phone comes out, it will still have a chance like any other phone coming out. Shoot, if the Moto X can fail hard, then anything can fail. Likewise if the POS of 'Droid series can be successful, anything can be succesful on Verizon.

    The 929 is a really good phone. As good if not better than the 1520 (due to its size). For those who are waiting, they'll be very happy with it. For those who moved on, hopefully they're happy with their choice.

    At the end of the day, most people don't put too much thought into their purchases. though. Regarding some "real *** kicking hardware", I know a lot what's coming at MWC--even for Android--and I don't share that enthusiasm, sorry. Nice? Yes. Mind blowing or *** kicking? Ehhh...
    Is it the leaks that are the problem or those that peddle them on the Internet in tech blogs and websites for profit? Especially considering the most verifiable leak came from the carrier themselves I don't think we should condemn the end user for their general distaste of a product.

    We can say that losing a few devices will not hurt Verizon, but for a platform still relegated to a distant third I would submit that every sale counts. I have 200 employees, I have 5 devices on my personal family plan and generally purchase a new handset every 6 months for myself. I also control the devices purchased for 40 of my employees. So it's not 15 people.

    The fact remains that when your in third place and shoved in the back corner of a showroom full of phones, you damn well better stand out. And just being bright yellow will not get it done. The general public also doesn't read about the fact that the camera might be better, or that the low spec device still functions well because the platform is less demanding. They look at their friends and see what they carry... And they are not carrying Windows Phones. So, I would submit that if Verizon would simply provide a somewhat coherent or even partially intelligent time line they might sell more. By March, no one will care because the marketing machines at Samsung and Apple will be in full gear. Then, they will be left with just 'us'... AGAIN.

    Posted via the WPC App for Android!
    thedogscar likes this.
    02-06-2014 10:30 PM
  4. Christopher Senn's Avatar
    y dont people complain on verizon or MS website instead on a site that no one that matters reads?
    02-07-2014 01:08 AM
  5. Astropin's Avatar
    have 200 employees, I have 5 devices on my personal family plan and generally purchase a new handset every 6 months for myself. I also control the devices purchased for 40 of my employees. So it's not 15 people.
    True......but it still does not even register on Verizon's radar. Maybe it should.....and it certainly says something about the company. Unfortunately (for the time being anyway) they have a HAMMER lock on many of their customers (like me) due to their VASTLY superior network.

    P.S. Why every 6 months?
    02-07-2014 07:28 AM
  6. 332's Avatar
    True......but it still does not even register on Verizon's radar. Maybe it should.....and it certainly says something about the company. Unfortunately (for the time being anyway) they have a HAMMER lock on many of their customers (like me) due to their VASTLY superior network.

    P.S. Why every 6 months?
    Same here. I had AT&T with my 920 for awhile, but you can only take having just one bar both at home and work for so long, not to mention only being able to make calls in certain arras of the house. I really hate Verizon, but their network is the only one that works for me.
    02-07-2014 08:01 AM
  7. sumton's Avatar
    I think they are saving this phone for WP8.1
    02-07-2014 08:48 AM
  8. Zippier's Avatar
    I think they're switching out a bunch of plain black ones for red ones with the silver metal band.

    Disclaimer: I don't really think this.
    02-07-2014 09:04 AM
  9. psiu_glen's Avatar
    I think they're switching out a bunch of plain black ones for red ones with the silver metal band.

    Disclaimer: I don't really think this.
    The screen is being replaced with one that has a giant Verizon V watermarked on it. So you never forget.

    Disclaimer: I don't actually put this past them.
    02-07-2014 09:11 AM
  10. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    Especially considering the most verifiable leak came from the carrier themselves I don't think we should condemn the end user for their general distaste of a product.
    I don't agree with this. At least not the way it's phrased. Carriers, officially and unofficially, do not leak phones, if ever. Sure, certain rogue employees do, but that's not with the company's blessing at all. They're just ordinary people who get excited too and who can't keep a secret.

    There's way too much of this "controlled leak" nonsense that I see. I can tell you as someone who posts leaked photos or news, 99.9% is not back alley talk from carriers or the OEMs. They don't like it, plain and simple. So it's not fair to put this on them, like they're the one's who are behind the leaks. They aren't. They don't want leaks. That has not and will not change.

    I have never had an email from Microsoft, Nokia or a carrier going "psst...you should post this as a 'leak'". Not once. If those parties talk to us about future things, it is either NDA or 'off the record'. Nokia and other OEMs will never talk to media, even under NDA, about future devices. They just don't do that.

    I'm not going to get into what should happen with Windows Phone. Nokia didn't want the 929 to come out this late. Microsoft did not either. This is all on Verizon, for whatever reason. Yes, we can list the 10 reasons why this is bad for Windows Phone, but it's moot. We all know that. But it's out of Nokia's hands as they have to go by what Verizon wants.
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    02-07-2014 11:42 AM
  11. Daniel Rubino's Avatar
    But would you agree that for whatever reason that Nokia decided to focus their manufacturing efforts on the 1520 instead of the Icon for the holiday season have seriously affected the WP install base in North America for the final quarter of 2013?
    No, I don't agree with that at all. The 929 not coming out isn't because Nokia couldn't make them, it's on Verizon who is testing them/planning the release. I don't know the exact reason for the delay, but Verizon plans these things out according to their own marketing roadmaps and ideas. They don't care about what's best for Nokia or Windows Phone, they do what they think is right for them.

    Like I said, Nokia wanted this device out earlier. It's why we saw all the leaks late last year--the device was in testing, more people had it, marketing was ramping up (e.g. the renders), so more leaks happened. It's not because Nokia didn't want it, but this is a Verizon release.
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    02-07-2014 11:49 AM
  12. Astropin's Avatar
    Carriers, officially and unofficially, do not leak phones, if ever.

    Well.....sort of. It was Verizon Wireless itself that "leaked" a test page for the Icon, and I don't think you would call that a "rogue employee"........especially since it happened twice.

    Both could have been accidents (although that should only happen once). But it still "leaked" right from them. Making it look like they were nearly ready to roll......and then nothing.
    02-07-2014 12:30 PM
  13. David Fleetwood's Avatar
    Well.....sort of. It was Verizon Wireless itself that "leaked" a test page for the Icon, and I don't think you would call that a "rogue employee"........especially since it happened twice.

    Both could have been accidents (although that should only happen once). But it still "leaked" right from them. Making it look like they were nearly ready to roll......and then nothing.
    As someone who works for a major website, its extremely difficult to keep leaks from happening. Most websites you see actually have a lot more on their public servers than the public can see, and they use various control methods to keep those things invisible. One mistake by a developer or by those running the control software and a 'leak' happens. unfortunately you cannot keep everything off the public servers or integration testing simply cannot be done and you risk a botched rollout.

    Yes, that was a mistake. Yes it happened twice. I'm sure the developers have been shot. My guess is it happens all the time, but since most phones are not highly anticipated nobody notices.
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    02-07-2014 12:44 PM
  14. Kieta's Avatar
    As someone who works for a major website, its extremely difficult to keep leaks from happening. Most websites you see actually have a lot more on their public servers than the public can see, and they use various control methods to keep those things invisible. One mistake by a developer or by those running the control software and a 'leak' happens. unfortunately you cannot keep everything off the public servers or integration testing simply cannot be done and you risk a botched rollout.

    Yes, that was a mistake. Yes it happened twice. I'm sure the developers have been shot. My guess is it happens all the time, but since most phones are not highly anticipated nobody notices.
    Noooooo, they shot the developers!! :/
    02-07-2014 02:05 PM
  15. Astropin's Avatar
    Noooooo, they shot the developers!! :/
    .....which is causing a big delay because no one else knows how to do what they did!
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    02-07-2014 02:55 PM
  16. David Fleetwood's Avatar
    This here is true. There will not be a shipping 805 design until at least June. It is far more likely that we see something end of Summer, around August or so. Even then it would not surprise me if the customers were limited until production ramps up towards fall. The 805 is going to hit mass market about a year after the 800.
    I'm just going to point out that I called this. For future reference. The Galaxy S5 was just announced. It has the 801 in it, a very minor update to the 800. The reason stated was that the 805 will not be available in quantity until fall. Our Icon's are indeed top of the line for the time being, at least until fall, if not late fall.

    http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/...e-us-in-april/
    It's also one of the first devices to use a Snapdragon 801 from Qualcomm. This "one louder" version of the Snapdragon 800 is architecturally identical, but it comes with faster CPU, GPU, and memory bus speeds, a bone Qualcomm has thrown to OEMs while it finishes up work on the true Snapdragon 800 successor, the 805.
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    02-24-2014 03:32 PM
  17. gernerttl's Avatar
    I'll probably hold off initially. A 1/2 in increase in screen size is not enough to sway me, but the 20 megapixel camera may. I upgraded to a 928 from a Note II; so I know what it is like to have to carry around a big phone. I say, upgraded from a Note II because, I realized that although the Note II is a nice phone, it really didn't fit with how I use my phone, which is more as a PDA/phone/camera and less as an e-reader/movie watching/game playing.
    Ok I lied... I gots mee won ov dem their shiny gnu Nokia Icons. She sher is purity... and reelee smart two... :)
    03-12-2014 01:34 AM
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