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  1. fonefan's Avatar
    Notification light or glance IMO is required at this point.
    No indicator at all is a step backwards.
    We shouldn't have had to wait to begin with and now a flagship phone doesn't support it out of the box?
    Iphones don't have notification light nor glance and yet they're selling through the roof. You don't hear their customers complaining.

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    02-15-2014 11:24 PM
  2. falconrap's Avatar
    So the very long answer to the simple question "Do I have to physically turn the phone on to check for messages" is YES. Wow. I'm not a troll, and I want to move to WP, not bash the OS. I was just asking, as an Android user now, if this was the case. It's nice that you don't care about the notifications, but I wasn't asking about how "you" use the phone or if you ignore the LED on Android. I am just trying to figure out what WP (and the Icon specifically) is all about before I get one, and if some of these issues are too much to switch. That's all, just a WP N00B looking for objective information (does it do this or not), not subjective ("I use the phone this way" or "I don't care if it does that").

    This reminds me of Android in 2007, coming along but still in its infancy. One of this things that helped me with Android was the friendliness and sense of (small) community in the user group. That's all I was hoping for here.

    Thanks for the information.
    Let me clarify. If you get a toast, the phone will light up the screen and show it for a brief period of time. If you get any other message, you will get vibration and/or message tone when the message comes in. The only thing you are getting with Glance is the ability for the phone to show the notifications while the phone is showing Glance, which it will do for a period of time after it has detected a change from dark to lighter via ambient sensor (i.e. to activate Glance, place your hand over the ambient sensor and lift it away - it will also do this when pulled from the pocket). An LED doesn't really add to the information other than constantly reminding you to check. I find it to be a very minor setback in real life. I do want Glance with notifications though, as that is better than an LED or brief lighting of the display.

    You only need to touch the power button, or use double tap to wake, to see the lock screen where notifications will also be displayed. Again, not as big of a deal as I think some are making it out to be. I think it's more of a WTF moment on Nokia's part, and hope it's just a software/firmware issue they need to resolve. Makes no sense otherwise.
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    02-15-2014 11:25 PM
  3. fonefan's Avatar
    I almost wonder what would've happened if the lack of Glance was not mentioned and all these people complaining bought the Icon....
    02-15-2014 11:29 PM
  4. slowburnaz's Avatar
    Twitter update pt2

    Attachment 57129

    I'm starting to think more and more that something went wrong and that it may have had something to do with the delay. I'm just not buying this hardware b.s... Thoughts?
    I'm not buying it either. Can you ask them exactly what hardware is missing that Glance requires?
    02-16-2014 01:52 AM
  5. Edward_g's Avatar
    I almost wonder what would've happened if the lack of Glance was not mentioned and all these people complaining bought the Icon....
    It wouldn't be missed by me. Seems like a gimmick add on. I don't need to wave at my phone to see the time or notifications.
    I did have it on my 822 but since all this has come up I turned it off and it's like a relief not to bother with that step anymore.
    02-16-2014 05:29 AM
  6. mozman68's Avatar
    It wouldn't be missed by me. Seems like a gimmick add on. I don't need to wave at my phone to see the time or notifications.
    I did have it on my 822 but since all this has come up I turned it off and it's like a relief not to bother with that step anymore.

    I'm confused...i don't "wave" over my 1520 to turn Glance on....I have it set to "always on."

    Again, people seem to be limiting info in their "reviews" of Glance based on only how they use it and not all of the options.

    As mentioned above by someone else, name one other phone that tells you exactly what notifications you have simply by looking at the phone?

    And FYI...you can set the iPhone to flash the camera flash if you have a notification.
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    02-16-2014 06:48 AM
  7. fonefan's Avatar
    I'm confused...i don't "wave" over my 1520 to turn Glance on....I have it set to "always on."

    Again, people seem to be limiting info in their "reviews" of Glance based on only how they use it and not all of the options.

    As mentioned above by someone else, name one other phone that tells you exactly what notifications you have simply by looking at the phone?

    And FYI...you can set the iPhone to flash the camera flash if you have a notification.
    I wouldn't recommend setting the flash on the iPhone as a notification. That flash is blinding! Good luck if you're in a meeting when that flash goes off... You'll be the center of attention.

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    02-16-2014 08:25 AM
  8. mozman68's Avatar
    I wouldn't recommend setting the flash on the iPhone as a notification. That flash is blinding! Good luck if you're in a meeting when that flash goes off... You'll be the center of attention.

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    Hah...I agree....but it is possible.

    Was in a meeting Friday and the guy had his going off. Even with the phone on it's back, the distraction of the flash was coming out around the edges of the iPhone.
    02-16-2014 08:30 AM
  9. cbreze's Avatar
    As mentioned above by someone else, name one other phone that tells you exactly what notifications you have simply by looking at the phone?
    First off, I'm considering this phone, be my first WP, but I already have a surface2 and love it. Second point my HTC ONE's lock screen gives me this info without unlocking I can see any calendar appt's upcoming, missed calls, texts or emails. So there are other phones that have this feature. No waving required.




    Now this is an interesting feature. Don't think I need to know that spectacularly that I have a message , but to each their own. Funny WP doesn't have a notification light(from what I've been reading here) but they have a bright white flash option instead? That's different. How about just the little green blinking light instead?
    And FYI...you can set the iPhone to flash the camera flash if you have a notification.
    02-16-2014 11:03 AM
  10. JBConforti's Avatar
    Second point my HTC ONE's lock screen gives me this info without unlocking I can see any calendar appt's upcoming, missed calls, texts or emails. So there are other phones that have this feature. No waving required.
    You don't have to unlock a WP phone to see your missed calls or anything. You set five things that you want displayed on your lock screen, mine are voicemail, email, texts, missed calls and snapchats. If I have anything from those 5 services I have an icon at the bottom of my phone. So this isn't about having to unlock your phone to see if you have a text, its about not wanting to push the power button.
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    02-16-2014 11:30 AM
  11. jcar302's Avatar
    Honestly, i liked the blue led notification on my n900 better than glance.
    Having nothing at all on wp, i gladly accepted glance.
    Although i'd rather have the windows button breath or have a heartbeat (whatever it's called).

    Right now by default i put my 920 down on charging pads when at home. It's nice to "glance" at it as i walk by and i know whether or not i have to pick it up. Optimal for me? Not really, but i'll take it.

    Nothing at all just isn't right.
    And the hardware BS excuse is just that, BS.

    I truly am getting a nostalgic nokia feeling. Spent a lifetime using their phones, but the same things still happen. They short us on one or more things on every device. Never do we get the phone that has everything.
    I get cost saving by doing away with hardware, but to do away with software? It's idiotic regardless of the reasoning.
    02-16-2014 11:40 AM
  12. JudgeHolden's Avatar
    Does iPhone have anything like glance or a notification LED?

    No.
    Nor did the original Samsung Galaxy, at least on Verizon. I was still using my awful BB Storm (which did have a notification light) at its release, and refused to buy it because it didn't have a notification light.

    I finally moved to the Trophy, which also didn't have one.
    I don't miss it.

    As a guy that refused to buy phones without one, trust me people, I don't miss it. And no, you don't need to unlock your phone to see if you missed anything.
    02-16-2014 12:35 PM
  13. JudgeHolden's Avatar
    Uuum.... You do realize that on the iPhone you have to press the home button to see your notifications. On an Android phone you have an LED light, (yes, you can customize the color of it for each type of notification), but it will only blink the color of the last notification, which means that you would still have to press the home button to see what notifications you have. So that's better than a Windows phone without glance, how?

    This whole "I'm not buying the Icon because it doesn't support Glance" argument is ridiculous.

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    If you're someone that absolutely needs notifications, I somewhat get why you wouldn't want most Windows Phones, but I just can't imagine a user that absolutely needs Glance. In order to actually see if you have a message, or what kind you have, you need to be almost close enough to touch it, even if you have it set to Always-On. It isn't like a blinking light you can see clearly across a room and in the dark that always blinks at you, making you want to check it even if you know its blinking for something you don't want to be bothered with at that moment.
    02-16-2014 12:39 PM
  14. Joel S.'s Avatar
    There are a number of possibilities here: Nokia may have to rewrite how Glance handles different pixel densities, something the OS handles on its own, but glance may run outside of the OS's purview on this. Also, the hang up may be with the backgrounds (look at how they're rendered, could be a challenge), and Nokia is holding it back so people don't get a gimped version.

    The other thing I can think of that would explain the omission of Glance is if the Icon doesn't have a proximity sensor, but instead uses the camera or light sensor to handle proximity while on the phone (it's what turns the phone screen off when you're on it). Glance uses the proximity sensor to keep the screen off while it's in your pocket, and it picks up the hand wave to turn it on. Not sure why Nokia would leave that out, possibly to allow for the larger display without making the phone much bigger than the 928. Verizon could've specified the size, but the omission would be on Nokia. I doubt they'd leave it out, but it's possible.
    [EDIT] It does have the proximity sensor.

    Personally, I like Glance, but it's not a deal breaker for me. The ability to shoot RAW more than makes up for the loss (and possibly temporary) of Glance. If the phone does have a proximity sensor, I'd imagine Nokia will push out an update to support Glance soon.
    Last edited by Joel S.; 02-16-2014 at 02:10 PM.
    02-16-2014 01:59 PM
  15. Joel S.'s Avatar
    This whole "I'm not buying the Icon because it doesn't support Glance" argument is ridiculous.

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    What makes it even more silly is the argument its needed for the notifications. Anyone who's already on Verizon and has Glance JUST GOT BLACK! It's been out for what, a week on the 928? Before that, Glance was just a clock.
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    02-16-2014 02:08 PM
  16. Joel S.'s Avatar
    I'm not buying it either. Can you ask them exactly what hardware is missing that Glance requires?
    Don't listen to Twitter jockeys, the people on this site are often more knowledgeable than they are.
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    02-16-2014 02:11 PM
  17. maevinj's Avatar
    What makes it even more silly is the argument its needed for the notifications. Anyone who's already on Verizon and has Glance JUST GOT BLACK! It's been out for what, a week on the 928? Before that, Glance was just a clock.
    You guys are forgetting that double-tap to wake is tied to Glance. I use this religiously as my phone is always sitting on my desk in less im using it. If the windows button on the front would wake the phone it wouldn't be an issue, but as is, it's a deal breaker for me.
    02-16-2014 03:17 PM
  18. martan1981#WN's Avatar
    No it's not. On 520 I have double tap to wake, but no glance.
    02-16-2014 04:05 PM
  19. mozman68's Avatar
    Second point my HTC ONE's lock screen gives me this info without unlocking I can see any calendar appt's upcoming, missed calls, texts or emails. So there are other phones that have this feature. No waving required.
    Sigh....okay...believe me, you are NOT stupid....it is just very hard to explain what Glance is and how it works. It is that innovative and kewl!

    Here is a pic of my phone right now...not the lock screen....unless it is "off," this is what I see...again, NOT the lock screen...this is. Glance. Always shows the time, and in this case, I have a text message and I can see that the phone is plugged in and charging.

    image.jpg

    No "bubble" notifications that pop up when they come in and then disappear back to a blank screen....it will look like this until I read the message. And yes, I will still see "notifications" pop up on the lock screen or the home screen.

    Make sense? No other phone has this....it is awesome....I love Glance and my 1520.
    02-16-2014 04:54 PM
  20. maevinj's Avatar
    No it's not. On 520 I have double tap to wake, but no glance.
    That's on your 520. Wpcentral stated in their review that they are linked in regards to the Icon.
    02-16-2014 04:58 PM
  21. mozman68's Avatar
    FYI....here is my lock screen right now...looks like I just got a Face book notification...I have it set to show Bing weather and what my next or current meeting is...

    image.jpg


    And here is my main screen (top half)

    image.jpg


    So please...I hope everyone now understands what Glance is..versus a lock screen...versus a home screen....
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    02-16-2014 05:02 PM
  22. alexloe's Avatar
    Lumia Icon doesn't support Glance and Double Tap To Wake due to display memory limitation.

    Source: Official document.
    02-16-2014 06:29 PM
  23. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Lumia Icon doesn't support Glance and Double Tap To Wake due to display memory limitation.

    Source: Official document.
    Display memory limitation? Does not compute...
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    02-16-2014 06:37 PM
  24. slowburnaz's Avatar
    Lumia Icon doesn't support Glance and Double Tap To Wake due to display memory limitation.

    Source: Official document.
    Could you maybe link to the source?
    02-16-2014 07:13 PM
  25. zorb58's Avatar
    I've been tweeting Nokia Care US and Nokia US to be more specific on the "hardware limitation," but they keep using that same vague answer. I'm starting to think that the "hardware limitation" is that ugly white word that starts with a "V" pasted at the top right.
    maevinj likes this.
    02-17-2014 12:58 PM
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