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  1. stephen_victor's Avatar
    How much of your life do you spend on your phone where you have to say 32GB is not enough? They still sell the 160GB iPod Classic if A/V means that much to you. And if it is gaming that is taking up too much space, I am betting you have other parts of your life that need attention and a gym membership collecting another inch of dust.
    02-18-2014 11:41 AM
  2. slowburnaz's Avatar
    How much of your life do you spend on your phone where you have to say 32GB is not enough? They still sell the 160GB iPod Classic if A/V means that much to you. And if it is gaming that is taking up too much space, I am betting you have other parts of your life that need attention and a gym membership collecting another inch of dust.
    Way to belittle people with different priorities. Some people like to keep their music collection on their phones. That's enough reason for some to think 32GB isn't enough, and enough reason for you to not question why they need it. And, if you can keep all your music and videos on your phone, there's no longer a need to shell out more money for another device just for that purpose, and no need to carry around that additional device.
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    02-18-2014 12:36 PM
  3. stephen_victor's Avatar
    Way to belittle people with different priorities. Some people like to keep their music collection on their phones. That's enough reason for some to think 32GB isn't enough, and enough reason for you to not question why they need it. And, if you can keep all your music and videos on your phone, there's no longer a need to shell out more money for another device just for that purpose, and no need to carry around that additional device.

    I am pretty satisfied with my response =) .

    Anyway ... the feeling of entitlement that a phone should be able to keep 32GB+ of music ... smh. If that's the case, put it in the cloud, a la Amazon Cloud Player, Google Play, etc. I just stream from Spotify and all is well.

    "But wait! Data caps!!!111"

    It's your fault if you have a limited data plan. Thank goodness Wi-Fi is available at your house and many places outside of it. You have so many choices of devices that take a 32 or 64GB microSD card. Or get an iPod Classic.
    02-18-2014 12:48 PM
  4. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I know the MicroSD people always hate to hear this, but quite frankly it is barely used and only a request from a tiny fraction of customers. The reason that low end phones tend to have it is because they include a paltry amount of base storage essentially necessitating the customer pay for storage themselves via MicroSD. When I was internal to MS I believe the figure was about 6% of users who had a SD slot actually populated it, and a significant number of them never ended up saving anything of it. That may not jive to your anecdotal experiences, but the vast majority of smartphone users, especially now, are not the power users that many of you and your friends are.

    I don't oppose MicroSD, mind you. But I absolutely understand why they do not want to add the cost of a feature that almost no one actually uses. That is unfair to the rest of the users paying for a feature that seldom used.

    The same thing goes for removable batteries, at the risk of getting myself yelled at by a second vocal minority. ;)
    Sure but, on a high end model people expect high end features. MicroSD is one of those things (not just the low end models). Your right, not everyone will use them at this point but, as as a high end feature I would EXPECT it.

    Now we move forward, Windows Phone 8.1 is out, Applications CAN be installed to SD, even with the Noobs I could see this as something some people would want.

    It all depends on how people use their phone, not just apps but, Music, videos, podcasts, more space can make it possable to do more.

    For the record, My 928 has about 4gb free, that is just with apps, I buy a lot of games, enjoying the achievements I can get. I wanted to use my 928 for my music but, with about 15-20gb of Music I would like to carry around with me, it's pretty impossable unless I want to uninstall all the apps I paid for. Even with this after I finish a game (all achievements), I uninstall it to save space.

    It shows the FACT that 32gb is NOT enough for everyone.

    I dont think I will even get the ICON because of this, even though it's ALMOST the perfect phone but, in my eyes with out expandable storage it's a FAIL. Let's see what 8.1 brings to Verizon with HTC and Samsung, I bet there will be a nice model with at least 32gb with SD support...

    How much of your life do you spend on your phone where you have to say 32GB is not enough? They still sell the 160GB iPod Classic if A/V means that much to you. And if it is gaming that is taking up too much space, I am betting you have other parts of your life that need attention and a gym membership collecting another inch of dust.
    So, let's see, your excuse for this is, if you want more music to go buy another device ? Really ? Why cant I have the OPTION to use 1 device for everyting in my life ? Nope, this is a high end Windows Phone, you can't do that....but, you can with Android ? Should we go down that road ?
    Last edited by DavidinCT; 02-18-2014 at 01:47 PM.
    02-18-2014 01:20 PM
  5. fonefan's Avatar
    Sure but, on a high end model people expect high end features. MicroSD is one of those things (not just the low end models). Your right, not everyone will use them at this point but, as as a high end feature I would EXPECT it.

    Now we move forward, Windows Phone 8.1 is out, Applications CAN be installed to SD, even with the Noobs I could see this as something some people would want.

    It all depends on how people use their phone, not just apps but, Music, videos, podcasts, more space can make it possable to do more.

    For the record, My 928 has about 4gb free, that is just with apps, I buy a lot of games, enjoying the achievements I can get. I wanted to use my 928 for my music but, with about 15-20gb of Music I would like to carry around with me, it's pretty impossable unless I want to uninstall all the apps I paid for. Even with this after I finish a game (all achievements), I uninstall it to save space.

    It shows the FACT that 32gb is NOT enough for everyone.

    I dont think I will even get the ICON because of this, even though it's ALMOST the perfect phone but, in my eyes with out expandable storage it's a FAIL. Let's see what 8.1 brings to Verizon with HTC and Samsung, I bet there will be a nice model with at least 32gb with SD support...



    So, let's see, your excuse for this is, if you want more music to go buy another device ? Really ? Why cant I have the OPTION to use 1 device for everyting in my life ? Nope, this is a high end Windows Phone, you can't do that....but, you can with Android ? Should we go down that road ?
    Sometimes you have to leave stuff out to make this device affordable. If this phone contained all the bells and whistles with an $800 price tag, people would still be complaining. It's a $500 phone and it's a damn good price for what you're getting. People are just never happy... They want everything, but they don't want to pay for it.

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    02-18-2014 01:57 PM
  6. fonefan's Avatar
    If people expect a high-end phone to have high-end features then they better expect a high-end price. That's just the way it is.

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    02-18-2014 01:59 PM
  7. David Fleetwood's Avatar
    Look at the much smaller and cheaper Lumia phones that had no problems fitting micro SD's. This is freaking Nokia we're talking about, the company that can find a way to slap a massive 41mp camera on a phone, you act as if I'm asking for full size USB 3.0 ports or something
    Yes, they likely could find a way to fit a SD Card slot on the Icon. They chose not to. Instead they focused on other features, ones that likely are far more popular among the audience expected to be interested in this phone. I am certain they could have gone with a removable battery as well if that had been a design goal. But again, in any design, choices are made.

    If SD Card support is so important to you, there are many devices with it, as mentioned in this thread. Those devices often have other tradeoffs, but that is how engineering typically works. You decide what the best combination of features is, and that is your optimal, if not perfect, phone.
    02-18-2014 02:11 PM
  8. digitaldodd's Avatar
    I'm probably similar to the original poster of this thread in that I will always consume whatever storage is provided and then wish I had more. That said, I think 'cripple' is too harsh of a word. More like the Icon is not all that it could be without the SD card. But, it always come down to trade-offs - bigger screen but with no wireless charging (1520), amazing camera but with bulge in back (1020), better LTE coverage but with fewer Windows Phones to choose from (Verizon), etc... life is full of choices.
    02-18-2014 02:24 PM
  9. David Fleetwood's Avatar
    Sure but, on a high end model people expect high end features. MicroSD is one of those things (not just the low end models). Your right, not everyone will use them at this point but, as as a high end feature I would EXPECT it.
    I'm not certain why. With the exception of a very select number of devices like the 1520, and Samsung's seeming commitment to SD, most high end phones do not include SD Cards. In fact they are a fairly standard feature on low end phones, because adding a SD Slot is cheaper than adding more memory, and it puts the memory cost in the hands of the buyer. You may expect it, but really most of the high end handsets do not include it so your expectation may be a bit out of line with reality.

    Now we move forward, Windows Phone 8.1 is out, Applications CAN be installed to SD, even with the Noobs I could see this as something some people would want.

    It all depends on how people use their phone, not just apps but, Music, videos, podcasts, more space can make it possable to do more.
    I doubt most people will care, honestly. They never have in the past, not even when phones had significantly less local storage. As I pointed out, actual usage of SD slots is abysmal, which is why its not considered a major feature.

    For the record, My 928 has about 4gb free, that is just with apps, I buy a lot of games, enjoying the achievements I can get. I wanted to use my 928 for my music but, with about 15-20gb of Music I would like to carry around with me, it's pretty impossable unless I want to uninstall all the apps I paid for. Even with this after I finish a game (all achievements), I uninstall it to save space.

    It shows the FACT that 32gb is NOT enough for everyone.
    You hit the nail on the head. 32GB without microSD is not for everyone. Of course nobody engineers a phone with the target audience of 'everyone' because that is not realistic. Other features that vocal minorities require that the Icon does not have -

    Removable battery
    41MP camera
    Xenon flash
    6" screen (depends on who you ask)
    4" screen (depends on who you ask)
    Slide out physical keyboard
    Stylus

    I could keep going. Each of those features has their own constituency. And a phone without a given item is a no buy for them. And their use cases often are entirely reasonable for their purposes. This simply is not the phone for them.

    I dont think I will even get the ICON because of this, even though it's ALMOST the perfect phone but, in my eyes with out expandable storage it's a FAIL. Let's see what 8.1 brings to Verizon with HTC and Samsung, I bet there will be a nice model with at least 32gb with SD support...
    Well there you go. Its not your phone. Its not for you. Its missing what is a key feature in your world. I hope you get what you need since honestly I am always happy to see people stick with WP and if SD Card support keeps you on the platform that's a win for platform supporters like me.

    As for me, I've been living on a 16GB Trophy followed by a 16GB 8X for going on three years now and I still have free space. I think the Icon will suite me nicely.
    02-18-2014 02:25 PM
  10. dkediger's Avatar
    Note: totally uninformed (as to the Reason for no SD card) speculation:

    The PCMag review mentioned heat sensitivity in camera sensors causing noise. Certainly, the Icon, and even the 928 for that matter, pack a lot of electronics into a pretty compact package. An SD interface and the card bulk would add to it. IF there was a trade off to be made in image quality versus expandable storage, then IMO they made the right choice. I would have been really nice to have a 64GB model though.
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    02-18-2014 02:56 PM
  11. Moiz Mian's Avatar
    Unlimited data is the reason for VZ for life.
    But you can't upgrade your phones anymore. You're stuck paying super high service prices as well as full price for the phone. At least with ATT grandfathered unlimited plans, you can still use upgrades. Verizon sucks. Period.
    02-18-2014 04:32 PM
  12. Washed Up Former Child Actor's Avatar
    I know the MicroSD people always hate to hear this, but quite frankly it is barely used and only a request from a tiny fraction of customers. The reason that low end phones tend to have it is because they include a paltry amount of base storage essentially necessitating the customer pay for storage themselves via MicroSD. When I was internal to MS I believe the figure was about 6% of users who had a SD slot actually populated it, and a significant number of them never ended up saving anything of it. That may not jive to your anecdotal experiences, but the vast majority of smartphone users, especially now, are not the power users that many of you and your friends are.

    I don't oppose MicroSD, mind you. But I absolutely understand why they do not want to add the cost of a feature that almost no one actually uses. That is unfair to the rest of the users paying for a feature that seldom used.

    The same thing goes for removable batteries, at the risk of getting myself yelled at by a second vocal minority. ;)
    Judging by the sales of handsets with micro SD's in the Android platform I wouldn't say people who ask for micro SD support are the 'minority'
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    02-18-2014 04:45 PM
  13. David Fleetwood's Avatar
    Judging by the sales of handsets with micro SD's in the Android platform I wouldn't say people who ask for micro SD support are the 'minority'
    You are making the rather large leap that the microSD slot is the reason for those sales. I could just as easily point at the iPhone as evidence that nobody wants microSD at all since the entire iPhone market lacks it yet sells phenomenally well.

    Its an issue for some people. For the vast majority it is not. Like I said, I've seen stats on its actual usage, and hardly anyone uses it.
    02-18-2014 04:56 PM
  14. mtalinm's Avatar
    You are making the rather large leap that the microSD slot is the reason for those sales. I could just as easily point at the iPhone as evidence that nobody wants microSD at all since the entire iPhone market lacks it yet sells phenomenally well.

    Its an issue for some people. For the vast majority it is not. Like I said, I've seen stats on its actual usage, and hardly anyone uses it.
    Also, there are support reasons for not having an SD slot. Customers will and complain that their uncle's SD card from 5 years ago with a bit of peanut butter stain doesn't work. No slot, no support issues.

    What's more annoying to me is the lack of Glance and double-tap-to-wake. I've disabled both on my 928 just to experience the difference, and it's really annoying. Sorry for the threadjack
    02-18-2014 05:03 PM
  15. willied's Avatar
    But you can't upgrade your phones anymore. You're stuck paying super high service prices as well as full price for the phone. At least with ATT grandfathered unlimited plans, you can still use upgrades. Verizon sucks. Period.
    Verizon doesn't suck, period. They have the best coverage in the US.
    02-18-2014 09:24 PM
  16. hopmedic's Avatar
    Also wasn't the 1520 the first/only WP phone with microsd support?
    No.
    520 521 720....
    And 822
    1520, 920 and 925 all have Micro SD slots. And I'm pretty sure even the 520 or 820 has it as well, this is mostly a VZW phenomenon not Nokia or WP.
    Not in this world. Of your list, only the 1520 and 520 have slots.
    02-19-2014 01:09 PM
  17. user928's Avatar
    I have had to delete purchased games as a result of maxing out my 32 gb of onboard storage. I have all of my iTunes music, pictures, offline maps and probably a dozen games on my 928. I need either an SD slot or 64 gb onboard ( or both ).
    I would venture to guess that you can't park in your garage because of all the unused stuff that you have accumulated but just can't bear to part with.
    02-19-2014 09:20 PM
  18. hopmedic's Avatar
    I would venture to guess that you can't park in your garage because of all the unused stuff that you have accumulated but just can't bear to part with.
    rofl.gif
    02-19-2014 09:29 PM
  19. IdemanEric's Avatar
    Apparently you've haven't seen the file sizes of some of these games and apps as well as my music library which is close to 1500 songs on my L928. 32 gigs doesn't go far anymore especially not with these 500+ MB Xbox branded app games
    Buy an Xbox and a TV... Better for gaming and saves all the stress about storage. You can stream music, almost anything your heart desires, for like $9.99 per month on several different services and you can't blame a phone manufacturer because you choose not to, or are unable to, obtain a data plan that supports your lifestyle. Seriously. Storage is a non-issue. If you must... Simply find a Starbucks and stream away for free.

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    02-19-2014 10:46 PM
  20. David Fleetwood's Avatar
    Buy an Xbox and a TV... Better for gaming and saves all the stress about storage. You can stream music, almost anything your heart desires, for like $9.99 per month on several different services and you can't blame a phone manufacturer because you choose not to, or are unable to, obtain a data plan that supports your lifestyle. Seriously. Storage is a non-issue. If you must... Simply find a Starbucks and stream away for free.

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    I just come back to "This may not be the phone for you. If lots of primary storage and additional removable storage are your primary thing, then get a phone that has those. The Icon is a damn good phone that unfortunately for you does not have the one thing you find most important. Fortunately, other phones, even WP phones, do have that feature."
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    02-19-2014 11:30 PM
  21. SAM 77's Avatar
    Its cases like this which makes me fearful of MS takeover of Nokia.

    America you are evil and have poor design taste. Exception being the A12 oooh mama

    Verizon makes Lumias look like blocks and then cuts out the good bits because it might affect their bottom line.

    MS will probably do some similar kowtow BS to its US carriers and screw the rest of world market with ugly phones and specs based on politics.

    They gonna kill Nokia phones, cut their losses and sell to Lenovo in 3 years.
    02-19-2014 11:50 PM
  22. willied's Avatar
    Its cases like this which makes me fearful of MS takeover of Nokia.

    America you are evil and have poor design taste. Exception being the A12 oooh mama

    Verizon makes Lumias look like blocks and then cuts out the good bits because it might affect their bottom line.

    MS will probably do some similar kowtow BS to its US carriers and screw the rest of world market with ugly phones and specs based on politics.

    They gonna kill Nokia phones, cut their losses and sell to Lenovo in 3 years.
    I think the Icon looks awesome. It also exudes quality when held. I don't think they really cut out any good bits. I mean, a micro SD card slot would have been awesome, but that's really my only complaint.
    02-20-2014 04:05 PM
  23. mdlive's Avatar
    If WP is to compete in the US they have to win over Verizon. Lets see the performance of the NL Icon straight out of Verizon in the upcoming months. If it does well it will flood t-mobile and AT&T.
    To me, it looks like Verizon has completely given up on WP. Just a few days ago I took my wife in to our local Verizon store for her upgrade expecting to see a big display highlighting the brand new Icon. No such displays were to be found. And by no displays, I mean NO DISPLAYS. FO WINDOWS PHONE. PERIOD. I had to walk around the entire store in order to find the Icon. They had it tucked in a little out-of-the-way corner next to the moto-x. I couldn't believe it! The Icon is a beautiful phone. I left Android for the 928 just after it came out, and I haven't looked back since. I really hope that WP can survive at Verizon.
    03-06-2014 09:16 PM
  24. Novron's Avatar
    I'd hardly say that Verizon intentionally crippled the Icon. Maybe they didn't want the SD card, or even just didn't specify. at&t is considerably worse when they outright made Nokia stop putting Qi charging in their phones after they arbitrarily joined the competing PMA group.
    Lol, you're talking about a telecomm who, back in feature phone days, disabled Motorola's built in Bluetooth filer transfer so they could charge you to move pictures off the phone... charge you per picture.
    03-06-2014 09:55 PM
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