03-25-2014 01:50 PM
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  1. nasellok's Avatar
    OK - so Nokia / Microsoft really need to fix this - I only want my high resolution files - I don't even want the 5mp ones. I should be able to select 16mp only when taking the photos. Add to that, the stupid Onedrive app, will only upload the low-res files. So, I had to go into PocketFileManager, delete all of the low resolution images. Now, I need to select all of them, and copy / paste into Onedrive, then I need to go to my Onedrive folder after they all upload, and again delete all of the low-res images. This is sooooooooo azz backwards. This is my biggest gripe with WP - other than this issue, I am really loving it, and I came from 6 years of lagdroid.

    Does anyone know of a way around this??? Is there a Camera App out there that will only take the high res image?
    03-21-2014 09:58 AM
  2. mtalinm's Avatar
    I understand your complaint. I too am annoyed that it won't automatically upload the hi-res images. Worse, it won't even upload the low-rest images except over WiFi. I guess it's a minority of us who have unlimited data, but why not provide the option.

    I have been plugging the phone into my computer but agree that is annoying.

    If you use Pocket File Manager, you can indeed copy and paste into OneDrive. One step that might help you is sorting by type. If you click the up/down arrows next to "Phone's Storage" it will let you choose the sort order. Then you can just grab your DNG files and copy those.

    Good luck.
    03-21-2014 11:25 AM
  3. nasellok's Avatar
    other issue im having with pocket file explorer - if the screen times out, while uploading, it gives me an error, and none of the files upload. Anyone know if I allow it to run under lockscreen, will it prevent this error from occurring?
    03-21-2014 12:10 PM
  4. gernerttl's Avatar
    OneDrive does auto photo sync. Really nice! When I get home and turn on my computer all of the photos are right there waiting for me.
    Yes, OneDrive uploads the high-res jpeg's, but it won't upload the DNG (RAW) versions. You have to use a third party app like Pocket File Manager to upload to OneDrive, or plugin via USB and download them to your desktop or laptop.
    03-21-2014 02:04 PM
  5. gernerttl's Avatar
    Wait,i can take a high rez photo when i plug in to the pc,what exactly i need to do?im new in this. Nokia has to fix this problem about camera,its irritating,do you think they will fix in 8.1?
    You need a third party app like Pocket File Manager, or plug in to your desktop/laptop with USB and download them that way. I haven't found any other way of doing it.
    03-21-2014 02:08 PM
  6. gernerttl's Avatar
    P.S. There are rumors that WP8.1 will include a file manager app. None are confirmed though.
    03-21-2014 02:10 PM
  7. sectime's Avatar
    03-21-2014 07:23 PM
  8. gernerttl's Avatar
    Wait,i can take a high rez photo when i plug in to the pc,what exactly i need to do?im new in this. Nokia has to fix this problem about camera,its irritating,do you think they will fix in 8.1?
    P.S. Once you get the DNG (RAW) file onto your computer, you will need an app to process it, such as, Adobe Lightroom, Photoshop Elements, etc. The RAW file format is uncompressed and "unprocessed" so to speak. This means you have much greater post capture editing capabilities; like being able to change WB and increase or decrease exposure by up to 3 stops; among other things. The changes are non-destructive, meaning that you can "zero" them out and start over without any degradation of the original file.
    03-21-2014 11:49 PM
  9. gernerttl's Avatar
    That because it's a Windows Phone and when you plug it into a Windows PC, it recognizes the phone as a flash drive allowing you to just drag and drop files to and from the phone. Since Apple marches to its own tune, there is no built in support for Windows Phones in Apple products.
    03-21-2014 11:52 PM
  10. sectime's Avatar
    That because it's a Windows Phone and when you plug it into a Windows PC, it recognizes the phone as a flash drive allowing you to just drag and drop files to and from the phone. Since Apple marches to its own tune, there is no built in support for Windows Phones in Apple products.
    So i'm confused, what does it matter since you need another program to process the Raw file on a windows box, where RAW processing is is built into Mac photo software once the file is on the machine?
    03-22-2014 02:00 PM
  11. LumiaIcon's Avatar
    I used Pocket File Manager and uploaded the high res photos and video to my OneDrive, however it would seem to me that it would be relatively easy to design an app the would make the process a bit more streamlined and simple.
    03-22-2014 04:28 PM
  12. Jeremy Lebens's Avatar
    Okay, so I plugged the phone into my PC and went to the phone icon under My Computer and made sure to C and P the RAW photos instead of the compressed one to my desktop. Now, if I delete all of the compressed photos off of my phone, will the uncompressed ones still show up if I'm browsing through the photos on my actual phone?
    03-23-2014 09:50 AM
  13. mtalinm's Avatar
    Doubt it.
    03-23-2014 10:11 AM
  14. alinefx's Avatar
    try AT&T locker - only the high res versions are uploaded and they give you 50GB free storage.
    03-23-2014 12:58 PM
  15. gernerttl's Avatar
    So i'm confused, what does it matter since you need another program to process the Raw file on a windows box, where RAW processing is is built into Mac photo software once the file is on the machine?
    What built-in app on Mac OS allows you to PROCESS RAW images? Both Mac OS and Windows allow you to view a RAW image, but not process it (or at least make minimal changes). It takes a third party app like Capture One, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Photoshop Elements, Apple Aperture (Mac only), CorelDraw, etc., to get the full potential from the RAW file. A RAW image file is essentially the same as the unprocessed film prior to developing. However, in film, once it's developed you are stuck with the results; RAW image capture allows you to change the image in a non-destructive way. A RAW file type as a file extension of .dng (Adobe DNG), .cr2 (Canon RAW), .nef (Nikon RAW). etc. Does your Mac allow you to view the file extension? If so, you might want to confirm that you are actually downloading the RAW image file automatically. The Icon creates two image files when in RAW capture mode:

    WP_20140322_19_00_31_Raw.jpg - JPG (processed/compressed) (5MP)
    WP_20140322_19_00_31_Raw__highres.dng - DNG (RAW/uncompressed) (16MP)
    03-23-2014 01:35 PM
  16. gernerttl's Avatar
    Okay, so I plugged the phone into my PC and went to the phone icon under My Computer and made sure to C and P the RAW photos instead of the compressed one to my desktop. Now, if I delete all of the compressed photos off of my phone, will the uncompressed ones still show up if I'm browsing through the photos on my actual phone?
    No they won't unless you are using a third part app like Pocket File Manager And even then you need a third party RAW image processing app for the phone. If you want to keep the images on your phone. Copy the DNG files to your computer and keep the JPG files on your phone. That way you can still show them, but have the hires RAW images for archival purposes.
    03-23-2014 01:58 PM
  17. gernerttl's Avatar
    I see that there is a lot of confusion about RAW image capture, and what the differences between RAW image capture and JPG only mode.

    RAW is an unprocessed, uncompressed image, where as JPG mode is processed using the software on camera and compressed. Both have advantages and disadvantages.

    RAW Capture Advantages:

    High resolution
    Greater options post capture (i.e. noise reduction, sharpening, exposure, white balance, color saturation, etc.) You can increase or decrease exposure by up to 3 stops.
    Non-destructive/non-permanent (meaning any changes you make can be zeroed out and start over

    RAW Capture Disavantages:

    Larger files (up to 20MB per image)
    Need to process image prior to uploading to Facebook sending via MMS, Tweeting, etc.
    No RAW image processing (right now) built into the device, must be processed on a computer (Windows/Mac). I'm not sure if you can on a Chromebook.

    JPG Capture Advantages:

    Smaller files (roughly half the size or smaller than the RAW file)
    Ability to immediately upload to social media, email, text, etc., without having to convert (process) the file.
    Plenty of apps image editing apps available for on device editing (i.e. Nokia Glam Me, 4Blend HDR, etc.)

    JPG Capture Disavantages:

    Limited post capture options (white balance, exposure, noise reduction, etc. are set by the camera and cannot be changed post capture).
    Editing a JPG is destructive, therefoer if you make any changes, it's permanent. You cannot go back and zero out the changes and start over.


    So if you want almost TOTAL control in post capture image editing, are not concerned about space, and willing to sit down and download the images to your computer to process them, then RAW capture is for you.

    If you are just posting to Facebook, Instagram, emailing, sending MMS, or Tweeting, then stick to JPG capture.

    The upshot is that you can change from RAW to JPG capture and back on the fly. Thereby allowing you to tailor your photography to your needs.
    03-23-2014 02:23 PM
  18. Jeremy Lebens's Avatar
    Thanks for this breakdown Timothy. I'm definitely going to delete the RAW files after I've transferred them over to my PC. Guessing that having two versions of each photo would eat up free GB in no time.
    03-23-2014 07:41 PM
  19. nasellok's Avatar
    Yes, OneDrive uploads the high-res jpeg's, but it won't upload the DNG (RAW) versions. You have to use a third party app like Pocket File Manager to upload to OneDrive, or plugin via USB and download them to your desktop or laptop.
    My Onedrive will not upload the high resolution jpg - there is only an option to save both 5mp .jpg + 16mp .jpg files. They are both there in the camera roll, but for some reason, only the 5mp image uploads to Onedrive. I have changed the Settings in Onedrive for "Photo Upload and download Size" to original, and this hasn't changed anything. The only way to get the full 16mp images to Onedrive is to copy and paste them into the Onedrive folder through Pocket File Manager. Has anyone found a way around this?
    03-24-2014 11:23 AM
  20. mtalinm's Avatar
    My Onedrive will not upload the high resolution jpg - there is only an option to save both 5mp .jpg + 16mp .jpg files. They are both there in the camera roll, but for some reason, only the 5mp image uploads to Onedrive. I have changed the Settings in Onedrive for "Photo Upload and download Size" to original, and this hasn't changed anything. The only way to get the full 16mp images to Onedrive is to copy and paste them into the Onedrive folder through Pocket File Manager. Has anyone found a way around this?
    Not yet. Maybe someone could write a win8 program to do it when the phone is plugged in, but otherwise I suspect the PFM is the easiest-.
    03-24-2014 02:19 PM
  21. gernerttl's Avatar
    My Onedrive will not upload the high resolution jpg - there is only an option to save both 5mp .jpg + 16mp .jpg files. They are both there in the camera roll, but for some reason, only the 5mp image uploads to Onedrive. I have changed the Settings in Onedrive for "Photo Upload and download Size" to original, and this hasn't changed anything. The only way to get the full 16mp images to Onedrive is to copy and paste them into the Onedrive folder through Pocket File Manager. Has anyone found a way around this?
    When you select "JPEG (5 MP) + DNG (16 MP)", the DNG is NOT a JPG. Only the "lowres" (5MP) photo is uploaded automatically to OneDrive, regardless of what quality you are shooting at. I believe they did that on purpose so users wouldn't bust their data caps accidentally. Their intentions are good, but I think we need some more options on quality level and file types to save as. It's a 20MP camera so we should have these options.

    1. Aspect ratio (already have)
    2. Format types
    RAW Only
    RAW + JPG (already have...sort of)
    JPG Only (already have, with caveats (need more options here, i.e. with different resolutions and compression levels)

    On the OneDrive side, we should be allowed to auto upload regardless of file type and resolution.

    Read this thread I posted. It will help you understand the differences between RAW and JPG capture.

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...ld-i-care.html
    03-24-2014 03:02 PM
  22. nasellok's Avatar
    When you select "JPEG (5 MP) + DNG (16 MP)", the DNG is NOT a JPG. Only the "lowres" (5MP) photo is uploaded automatically to OneDrive, regardless of what quality you are shooting at. I believe they did that on purpose so users wouldn't bust their data caps accidentally. Their intentions are good, but I think we need some more options on quality level and file types to save as. It's a 20MP camera so we should have these options.

    1. Aspect ratio (already have)
    2. Format types
    RAW Only
    RAW + JPG (already have...sort of)
    JPG Only (already have, with caveats (need more options here, i.e. with different resolutions and compression levels)

    On the OneDrive side, we should be allowed to auto upload regardless of file type and resolution.

    Read this thread I posted. It will help you understand the differences between RAW and JPG capture.

    http://forums.windowscentral.com/nok...ld-i-care.html
    I am actually not even bothering with the DNG files (the chances of me actually doing post processing are slim - If im on vacation, I might toggle it on, but for the most part, im just taking pics of my kids, or friends. I only want the 16mp high res. jpg files, bu the only stupid option is to save both 5mp .jpg + 16mp .jpg files simultaneously. I really hope that MS finds this as stupid as I do, and fixes it in 8.1. Thanks for the link to the other thread.
    03-25-2014 10:38 AM
  23. gernerttl's Avatar
    Yes. There is one for Windows too.

    But does it transfer the DNG files? THAT is the question. I doubt it does. The app was written before Nokia started incorporating RAW capture in its phones. The Windows Desktop version only recognizes the JPG, NOT the DNG.

    Right now, the ONLY way to get the DNG files from your Icon is to either manually upload to OneDrive using Pocket File Manager (or similar app), or plug it using USB and accessing the phone thru Windows Explorer and copying/moving the files to your desktop.

    Is that frustrating? Yes. Should Nokia make some updates allowing people to automatically download the DNG versions of the photos? Sure.
    03-25-2014 01:47 PM
  24. gernerttl's Avatar
    Not yet. Maybe someone could write a win8 program to do it when the phone is plugged in, but otherwise I suspect the PFM is the easiest-.
    There are several desktop applications out there that will do it automatically if you plugin via USB. Capture One Pro, Adobe's Lightroom, and Apple's Aperture (to name a few) will automatically copy the photos to where ever you tell the app to put them.

    The problem is they all cost money and are not necessarily cheap. Adobe Lightroom is $199 for example.
    03-25-2014 01:50 PM
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