03-20-2014 02:32 PM
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  1. LumiaIcon's Avatar
    The Icon is the first wireless charging device that I have had. I have it on the desk at work and I wanted to know if it is okay to continually lay it on the charger and take it off throughout the day (charging it from 90% to 100%) several times a day? Also... Is it okay to leave it on the charger after it gets to 100%?
    02-25-2014 01:19 PM
  2. Blkacesvf41's Avatar
    The Icon is the first wireless charging device that I have had. I have it on the desk at work and I wanted to know if it is okay to continually lay it on the charger and take it off throughout the day (charging it from 90% to 100%) several times a day? Also... Is it okay to leave it on the charger after it gets to 100%?
    My understanding is that this latest generation of batteries are "Smarter" and you won't overcharge them by doing what you're doing.
    02-25-2014 01:22 PM
  3. dkediger's Avatar
    I do just that daily during the work week with my 928 and haven't noted any degredation or adverse effects.....
    02-25-2014 01:34 PM
  4. scolab's Avatar
    My 822 stays on the charger next to my bed all night. Never had a problem.
    02-25-2014 01:45 PM
  5. Allen Whitehead's Avatar
    I upgraded from 822 to Icon. I use wireless charging. Have used it on the 822 since I bought it year and half ago. No problems. Now when I put the Icon on the wireless charger at night it charges fine. After it completes charging, at some point during the night it resumes charging and makes that same sound as if you are initially beginning to charge the phone. I would like to keep my phone by my bed at night. The only way to keep it there and not make the sound is to plug it in to charge. Does anyone have another solution? I do not want to put it on vibrate as I have children and parents that may need to call during the night.
    02-26-2014 08:53 AM
  6. berty6294's Avatar
    I think the OP's question is regarding constantly topping off the battery with Qi charging in the form of leaving it on the charger all day, but continuously picking it up to take phone calls, text, etc and putting it back down every 5 min at a time. If that is correct I am here to say that is how my 928 has lived the past 9 months and I have not noticed any degraded battery life because of it (if anything longer battery life through the OS updates since then).
    LumiaIcon likes this.
    02-26-2014 09:06 AM
  7. jeffchapik's Avatar
    Been doing this with my 920 for over a year now with no apparent detrimental effects to the battery.
    02-26-2014 02:17 PM
  8. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    Battery cycles on Li-Ion are different than older batteries or even say the newer NiMH. Every battery has a finite number of cycles. For older style batteries (NiMH, Lithium, NiCd, alkaline, etc...), even if you just charged the batter from say, 30% to 50%, that would count as one cycle. Li-Ion don't suffer from the same memory problems. Li-Ion really don't have a memory/cycle, per se, but to make the best sense of how Li-Ion "cycle" works, think of it as 1 cycle = sum of charges too equal 100% charged

    For instance, if your phone got down to 10% and you threw it on the charger until it got to 50%, let it drain down to 20%, then put it back on and charged it to 70%, let it drain down to 40%, then charged it to 50%, that would equal one cycle.
    50-10 = 40%. 70-20 = 50%. 50-40 = 10%
    40% + 50% + 10% = 100% = one Li-Ion cycle

    In addition, Li-Ion have a lower self-discharge (charge loss while stored) rate. You should expect near zero loss in capacity for the first 400-500 cycles. After that, Li-Ion batteries will produce 65-80% of its original capacity.
    02-26-2014 02:39 PM
  9. sethman916's Avatar
    I think the real misnomer here is that Qi or the wall adapter is a "charger". They are not. They simply provide power to the internals of the phone. Inside the phone there is a battery charger controller chip that actually handles when and how to charge the battery, whether it be full current mode or trickle mode. If the battery is continually being topped off it is a function of the internal battery charger chip and not the Qi dock or micro USB charger. If the software is designed properly and or they use a good quality charger controller then it shouldn't matter whether you leave it on the Qi charger or not. The charger chip/software will properly terminate the charge and leave it as is.
    02-26-2014 06:16 PM
  10. David Fleetwood's Avatar
    Battery cycles on Li-Ion are different than older batteries or even say the newer NiMH. Every battery has a finite number of cycles. For older style batteries (NiMH, Lithium, NiCd, alkaline, etc...), even if you just charged the batter from say, 30% to 50%, that would count as one cycle. Li-Ion don't suffer from the same memory problems. Li-Ion really don't have a memory/cycle, per se, but to make the best sense of how Li-Ion "cycle" works, think of it as 1 cycle = sum of charges too equal 100% charged

    For instance, if your phone got down to 10% and you threw it on the charger until it got to 50%, let it drain down to 20%, then put it back on and charged it to 70%, let it drain down to 40%, then charged it to 50%, that would equal one cycle.
    50-10 = 40%. 70-20 = 50%. 50-40 = 10%
    40% + 50% + 10% = 100% = one Li-Ion cycle

    In addition, Li-Ion have a lower self-discharge (charge loss while stored) rate. You should expect near zero loss in capacity for the first 400-500 cycles. After that, Li-Ion batteries will produce 65-80% of its original capacity.
    While all of this is true, I feel the need to point out that the battery in the Icon and most high end phones these days is LiPo, not Li-Ion. Lithium Polymer batteries have much longer endurance and should well outlast the useful life of the device before losing maximum capacity. The tradeoff is that they are not as energy dense. A few years ago manufacturers made the switch to LiPo as energy efficiency gains in silicon made it less important for the battery to be as energy dense as possible. This also made it possible to seal batteries inside devices as the reason for them to be replaceable became essentially moot for most use cases.
    02-26-2014 09:13 PM
  11. awilliams1701's Avatar
    Actually I've heard the experts say that Li-ION lasts longer by charging it more frequently or keeping it fully charged.
    02-27-2014 04:46 PM
  12. robertc88's Avatar
    I bought a Qi charger from Verizon for my Nexus 7 2013 back when and I was getting buyer's remorse because of the price after awhile. Now I find out that this Nokia works with the Icon. Feeling better! :)
    03-01-2014 02:33 PM
  13. cbreze's Avatar
    Do we know how well the Qi charger works thru the phone case? Those with different type cases care to comment please?
    03-02-2014 04:01 PM
  14. peachy001's Avatar
    I have a Nokia cover for my phone, and it charges up just fine on the wireless charger. Not sure what some of the non-Nokia covers/cases work like. The one I have is fairly thin, possibly around 1mm. CC-1043 is the product code.
    03-02-2014 04:11 PM
  15. jt09xlt's Avatar
    Do we know how well the Qi charger works thru the phone case? Those with different type cases care to comment please?
    You should not have any issues charging Qi with a case on. I am still awaiting an Incipio Dual Pro case for this phone but with my 928 I had a somewhat thick Trident case on and had absolutely 0 issues charging it.
    03-03-2014 08:17 AM
  16. Kage Maru's Avatar
    While all of this is true, I feel the need to point out that the battery in the Icon and most high end phones these days is LiPo, not Li-Ion. Lithium Polymer batteries have much longer endurance and should well outlast the useful life of the device before losing maximum capacity. The tradeoff is that they are not as energy dense. A few years ago manufacturers made the switch to LiPo as energy efficiency gains in silicon made it less important for the battery to be as energy dense as possible. This also made it possible to seal batteries inside devices as the reason for them to be replaceable became essentially moot for most use cases.
    Do you have any links for me to read up on this technology? I've read that even with newer batteries to not retain a full charge after a while and there are good ways to charge your phone. For example charging from 25% to 95% is healthier for the phone than charging it 40% here, 50% there, and so on.
    03-03-2014 10:14 AM
  17. savagelizards's Avatar
    Do we know how well the Qi charger works thru the phone case? Those with different type cases care to comment please?
    I have the Incipio Feather case no problems using QI charging. I am using the Nokia charging stand that the Microsoft store included for free with my phone purchase.
    03-03-2014 10:48 AM
  18. robertc88's Avatar
    I have the Incipio Feather case no problems using QI charging. I am using the Nokia charging stand that the Microsoft store included for free with my phone purchase.
    Good to know as I bought that case yesterday. I really didn't think about Qi charging when the case was on the Icon to tell the truth. I just wanted to have a case on this beauty for some protection and options are limited.
    03-03-2014 11:08 AM
  19. TheArcaneFlame's Avatar
    I have the Incipio Dual Pro case on my Icon and it charges just fine on CHOE Technology chargers.
    03-03-2014 03:16 PM
  20. Kage Maru's Avatar
    Also charges fine over Qi with my otterbox.
    03-03-2014 04:48 PM
  21. radmanvr's Avatar
    I have a question also, why does my phone keep turning the display on and off and making a sound? Does that mean its full or because its losing wireless connection?
    03-17-2014 08:11 AM
  22. danwanna's Avatar
    I have a question also, why does my phone keep turning the display on and off and making a sound? Does that mean its full or because its losing wireless connection?
    Typically that means you've lost the wireless charge connection or aren't aligned properly. Different chargers have different numbers of coils from what I've read and the ones with a single coil are more sensitive to the positioning.

    My personal favorite is the TYLT Vu. It is a little large, but it is super easy to place "correctly" on the charger and sturdy enough I have no worries about my wife's cat knocking it off the stand. She really enjoyed doing that when it was on my PowerBot or Nokia DT-910.

    I charge mine on the night stand while I am sleeping and on my desk at work during the day. During the day it is on and off the stand constantly when I go to meetings and such.

    Amazon.com: TYLT Vu Wireless Charger for all Qi Phones - Retail Packaging - Black: Cell Phones & Accessories
    03-17-2014 08:46 AM
  23. radmanvr's Avatar
    That's actually a really sweet wireless charger however I got the 100 Ghost for $15 so I am going to have to build a little stand. Ive seen some made from Legos but I think I will make mine out of wood so I can paint it.
    03-18-2014 08:02 AM
  24. dkediger's Avatar
    Typically that means you've lost the wireless charge connection or aren't aligned properly. Different chargers have different numbers of coils from what I've read and the ones with a single coil are more sensitive to the positioning.

    My personal favorite is the TYLT Vu. It is a little large, but it is super easy to place "correctly" on the charger and sturdy enough I have no worries about my wife's cat knocking it off the stand. She really enjoyed doing that when it was on my PowerBot or Nokia DT-910.

    I charge mine on the night stand while I am sleeping and on my desk at work during the day. During the day it is on and off the stand constantly when I go to meetings and such.

    Amazon.com: TYLT Vu Wireless Charger for all Qi Phones - Retail Packaging - Black: Cell Phones & Accessories
    What I use at work as well. Its just so dead simple, and positions the phone to be in a good line of sight and working angle. I can clear toasts, open emails and delete if not needed, all without picking the phone up.
    03-18-2014 09:07 AM
  25. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Typically that means you've lost the wireless charge connection or aren't aligned properly. Different chargers have different numbers of coils from what I've read and the ones with a single coil are more sensitive to the positioning.

    My personal favorite is the TYLT Vu. It is a little large, but it is super easy to place "correctly" on the charger and sturdy enough I have no worries about my wife's cat knocking it off the stand. She really enjoyed doing that when it was on my PowerBot or Nokia DT-910.

    I charge mine on the night stand while I am sleeping and on my desk at work during the day. During the day it is on and off the stand constantly when I go to meetings and such.

    Amazon.com: TYLT Vu Wireless Charger for all Qi Phones - Retail Packaging - Black: Cell Phones & Accessories
    I'd buy one if it wasn't so dang expensive.
    03-18-2014 09:23 AM
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