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  1. aximtreo's Avatar
    im def starting to feel the limitations now that the honeymoon moment is over. Lack of games and apps have been killer. My wife with her iphone blows me away gaming wise. Also the new htc one(M8) and galaxy S5 have me feeling jealous. They have the new snapdragon 801 and a huge ecosystem of games and support. Wp8 is by far the best OS, just OS wise, cant complain there. WP8.1 wont fix any of these issues regarding the apps/games, so I dont see a bright future with the Icon for me personally.

    I'm afraid that Genie and Samantha are just TV characters so blinking or twitching won't bring all things to all people. I for one am impressed with how much has happened to WP8 in the short time it's been on the market. Will it ever be what you want? I can't answer that but I can say it does the job for me.
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    03-21-2014 07:14 PM
  2. savagelizards's Avatar
    im def starting to feel the limitations now that the honeymoon moment is over. Lack of games and apps have been killer. My wife with her iphone blows me away gaming wise. Also the new htc one(M8) and galaxy S5 have me feeling jealous. They have the new snapdragon 801 and a huge ecosystem of games and support. Wp8 is by far the best OS, just OS wise, cant complain there. WP8.1 wont fix any of these issues regarding the apps/games, so I dont see a bright future with the Icon for me personally.
    If we are really evaluating Icon on the basis that its processor isn't as good as the 801 than this phone will never get traction.

    Actually I think the hardware can hold its own with any manufacturer.
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    03-21-2014 08:22 PM
  3. jkrc717's Avatar
    They should raise their standards, not ask me to lower mine. .
    ​Yes. This.
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    03-22-2014 11:44 AM
  4. avazee's Avatar
    I thing the original poster was spot on regarding not being able to use speech-to-text on any text box across the entire OS.

    This is a huge flaw and it's a shame that it isn't on MS's list for 8.1. This is probably the sole reason I'm keeping my Moto X around for a while longer.

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    03-22-2014 10:31 PM
  5. Laura Knotek's Avatar
    I thing the original poster was spot on regarding not being able to use speech-to-text on any text box across the entire OS.

    This is a huge flaw and it's a shame that it isn't on MS's list for 8.1. This is probably the sole reason I'm keeping my Moto X around for a while longer.

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    Maybe Cortana will be the solution that we're looking for.
    03-22-2014 10:34 PM
  6. Zacharyw70's Avatar
    This is a good thread to read. As someone who is thinking about jumping to WP8 from currently being on iOS and previously being on Android.
    03-22-2014 11:40 PM
  7. Go-2guy's Avatar
    I think a very important thing to consider about the "functionality" of the phone lies in the economics driving it's development. IF you are dependent on core features and functions, switching phones requires you perform your own due diligence in what features you can and can't live without. A flip phone will make basic calls flawlessly. 10 years ago everyone had one and Blackberry became king with mobile plans and email clients because that's what people needed. I had an HP PDA with Windows CE, a Blackjack and a Blackberry 8100. All very fun and completely uncapable of surfing the web. If you wanted web surfing and desktop productivity, you bought a laptop... then Apple reinvented how we used phones. Many are quick to forget how limited Apple products were (and still are in many rights) with regards to open functionality. THEY STILL DON'T SUPPORT FLASH!

    As people became more mobile, we saw netbooks (trash) and then tablets (why?) and the ultra-books (cool) and then tablets again (sweet) that gradually paved the way for us to truly become mobile power users as technology was able to support the demand we had for the devices functionality.

    The core of Microsoft business is in enterprise, Apple has and always will be focused on the end-user, it's what they've invested in for years. Google- it's just google, they are a brilliant team of developers that entered the game with a lot less baggage (legacy systems) that the other two which is what has allowed them to develop in a new market much faster.

    I've been researching phones and reviews for two months at an OS level to see what was and was not possible. I had an iPhone 3gs/4/4s and loved it, it was the Honda Civic of phones. Came with a lot of options, easy to use, dependable and hard to mess up. I then got an S3 with was fantastic, lot's of options and cool features. More learning curve for more fun, however- the security vulnerabilities in the market place and constant maintenance of apps was a bit of a chore when every app purchase requires looking into the developer to ensure the permissions were kosher.

    I've had my Icon for one day no, the power cycling thing is a little bit of a put out (If it's plugged in and charging and I shut it down, it just reboots). However, being able to edit functions in excel is amazing, all of the general apps (Pandora, Spotify, Netflix, Mobile Banking Apps, LinkedIn, Fandango, StubHub) are there. There are permissions that Windows OS has to fight for with Google, and Apple because they all three are competing for a market and tried to build sustenance for their own ecosystem. So far, I love the phone. Lot's more research into functionality and configuring it to do what I want, but that's technology. I have a laptop (Windows 7), two tablets (Android and Windows 8.1), and a desktop. I know what I have to do where and have been around long enough to know that snake oil doesn't cure everything. I'd personally like to see the Windows phone pull through which is why I invested my dollar there. I don't trust all of my personal information with a company that wants to make "all information available to anyone" and has their heart in advertising. Apple doesn't have the clout to pull enterprise level business, and is unfortunately lost without Jobs (5c... a cheaper phone for the masses? How'd that work for the Mercedes C-Class?) Microsoft will not spend money in a market that does not show promise, people forget the meaning of a dolar and IOU. Invest and seek return or spend and seek demise.
    03-23-2014 02:39 AM
  8. A895's Avatar
    I'll never ever understand why someone would want to create a PowerPoint on a PHONE.
    Its nice to have options though.

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    03-23-2014 12:58 PM
  9. A895's Avatar
    I got to say, I read every post I'm this thread and it is good read for anyone considering WP8. I know I was for while. And this thread reinforces the idea on WPCentral and windows phone fans as a whole that a LOT of people are hoping on the fact that 8.1 will fix a lot of present issues in 8. I hope it does so I can grab a Lumia Icon too. OP you made some fantastic points about WP8 as an OS instead of just saying "no apps".

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    03-23-2014 01:14 PM
  10. BytorJr's Avatar
    Once again, I'm considering a WP phone. I'm still on Verizon so Icon has attracted my attention. This is more of a general windows question. Who updates the OS on Windows phones? This is my biggest gripe with Android. My Razor M may or may not ever be updated, it depends on Motorola/Lenovo AND Verizon. I don't have this problem with my Nexus 7; but, as we all know, VZ will likely never get another Nexus phone. Also, I am sick and tired of my Android phone going from responsive to slug master nearly instantaneously. So my question is 1) Like Apple, does MSFT do the "push" of the OS or is it both manufacturer dependent and provider dependent? 2) Do WP phones get sluggish? 3) Is Verizon pulling their usual shenanigans on this phone like Android phones or has MSFT/Nokia pretty much not allowed that?

    Other than 1 banking app and Sirius XM I think I can make the switch with little loss of "app" functionality. Mainly read the news, weather, some online magazines, and that's about it other than usual email stuff.
    03-24-2014 09:11 PM
  11. A895's Avatar
    Once again, I'm considering a WP phone. I'm still on Verizon so Icon has attracted my attention. This is more of a general windows question. Who updates the OS on Windows phones? This is my biggest gripe with Android. My Razor M may or may not ever be updated, it depends on Motorola/Lenovo AND Verizon. I don't have this problem with my Nexus 7; but, as we all know, VZ will likely never get another Nexus phone. Also, I am sick and tired of my Android phone going from responsive to slug master nearly instantaneously. So my question is 1) Like Apple, does MSFT do the "push" of the OS or is it both manufacturer dependent and provider dependent? 2) Do WP phones get sluggish? 3) Is Verizon pulling their usual shenanigans on this phone like Android phones or has MSFT/Nokia pretty much not allowed that?

    Other than 1 banking app and Sirius XM I think I can make the switch with little loss of "app" functionality. Mainly read the news, weather, some online magazines, and that's about it other than usual email stuff.
    Verizon pushes out the updates.Also the Motorola/Lenovo deal is not final yet. Patience is needed. The Razr M is supposed to get 4.4.2. I saw a remark that it may even come by late April or early May. Even if you had a WP you are at the mercy of your carrier with updates, though Motorola and Verizon have been on a role lately.
    03-24-2014 11:32 PM
  12. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    im def starting to feel the limitations now that the honeymoon moment is over. Lack of games and apps have been killer. My wife with her iphone blows me away gaming wise. Also the new htc one(M8) and galaxy S5 have me feeling jealous. They have the new snapdragon 801 and a huge ecosystem of games and support. Wp8 is by far the best OS, just OS wise, cant complain there. WP8.1 wont fix any of these issues regarding the apps/games, so I dont see a bright future with the Icon for me personally.
    Sorry, but I just don't get it. Anyone that cares enough to join a smartphone web forum would know enough about how its bread and butter offerings (apps and games) is compared to another ecosystems. Did you not go to the online Store to see what they had before you purchased? It should not be a surprise to anyone that Windows Phone, being that its 3.5 years younger than iOS, will not have as many bells and whistles. 3.5 years is a lifetime in today's smartphone market.

    Yet, I continue to be amazed in how far MS has taken WP in that amount of time, given that the market was already saturated with iOS and Android goodies. Android, and clearly iOS, had wide open spaces.

    The Icon has a SnapDragon 800 processor yet you make a point about the new 801?? That's not even worth mentioning. Really. WP has and will benchmark better on a lesser processors anyway.

    There are two games that Android has that I can't get on my WP but it's well worth the sacrifice. ICS promised to be the new fast demon for Android. A few months later I had multiple performance problems. Then Jelly Bean was going to be the savior, and for the first 3 months or so it was. Then the performance problems started again. Android limited the amount of apps/games I could have. I stopped downloading apps/games and used only three home screens. I constantly had to go to Advance Task Killer to help my phone perform decent. I have double the number of games and apps on my Icon than my Android ever had, and I have had NOT ONE hiccup or latency in performance. WP is freedom.
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    03-25-2014 11:06 AM
  13. A895's Avatar
    Sorry, but I just don't get it. Anyone that cares enough to join a smartphone web forum would know enough about how its bread and butter offerings (apps and games) is compared to another ecosystems. Did you not go to the online Store to see what they had before you purchased? It should not be a surprise to anyone that Windows Phone, being that its 3.5 years younger than iOS, will not have as many bells and whistles. 3.5 years is a lifetime in today's smartphone market.

    Yet, I continue to be amazed in how far MS has taken WP in that amount of time, given that the market was already saturated with iOS and Android goodies. Android, and clearly iOS, had wide open spaces.

    The Icon has a SnapDragon 800 processor yet you make a point about the new 801?? That's not even worth mentioning. Really. WP has and will benchmark better on a lesser processors anyway.

    There are two games that Android has that I can't get on my WP but it's well worth the sacrifice. ICS promised to be the new fast demon for Android. A few months later I had multiple performance problems. Then Jelly Bean was going to be the savior, and for the first 3 months or so it was. Then the performance problems started again. Android limited the amount of apps/games I could have. I stopped downloading apps/games and used only three home screens. I constantly had to go to Advance Task Killer to help my phone perform well. WP is freedom. I have double the number of games and apps on my Icon with NOT ONE hiccup or latency in performance.
    Android has changed so much between 4.1 and 4.4.2. that any old notions about speed and consistency are just not valid anymore. Back then it had to be a flagship phone I'm order for it run pretty well. Nowadays where low end phones have dual core or quad core processors and 1GB of RAM and devices like the Moto G available for $99 with the latest version of android. Its the ultimate goal of a more faster experience across even more android devices.

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    03-25-2014 11:11 AM
  14. jlzimmerman's Avatar
    Android has changed so much between 4.1 and 4.4.2. that any old notions about speed and consistency are just not valid anymore. Back then it had to be a flagship phone I'm order for it run pretty well. Nowadays where low end phones have dual core or quad core processors and 1GB of RAM and devices like the Moto G available for $99 with the latest version of android. Its the ultimate goal of a more faster experience across even more android devices.

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    I was on Android from Froyo to JB 4.3.x. Each version promised to be the fix for security and performance issues. I had two flagship Android devices, one of which was the purist Galaxy Nexus. Just didn't work for me *shrug*
    03-25-2014 12:36 PM
  15. A895's Avatar
    I was on Android from Froyo to JB 4.3.x. Each version promised to be the fix for security and performance issues. I had two flagship Android devices, one of which was the purist Galaxy Nexus. Just didn't work for me *shrug*
    You have to see KitKat 4.4.2. to judge android now. Its leagues better than any version before. My Droid RAZR M is fine on JB. But KitKat would make it a wonderful device.

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    03-25-2014 01:24 PM
  16. BytorJr's Avatar
    Well, like I said, my Nexus 7 (2013) is fine. Maybe I shall wait and see what happens if and when I get KitKat on my Razr M. I'll keep an open mind toward Windows; and I do hope it picks up speed and becomes more popular. I would love to see a more Apple-like distribution of OS on Windows where (as I understand) carriers have a lot less say so in updates. Anyways, thanks for all the info.
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    03-25-2014 06:05 PM
  17. lantern20's Avatar
    Typically you'd get the updates from your carrier, as they would be pushing updated firmware in addition to any other OS updates. However, MS has an "enthusiast" program for "developers" where you can download the updates as soon as they are available and not have to wait for carriers. I believe to qualify for a developer you would need a free? developer account from the windowsphone app studio. There's a whole write-up on it you just need to search WPCentral.
    03-26-2014 09:44 AM
  18. savagelizards's Avatar
    You have to see KitKat 4.4.2. to judge android now. Its leagues better than any version before. My Droid RAZR M is fine on JB. But KitKat would make it a wonderful device.

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    my daughter has a Droid Ultra. She got it about six months ago and loved it. Best phone ever. Two weeks ago she was asking about her upgrade date. Hates it. Totally laggy.

    Its the nature of the beast, really.
    03-27-2014 06:02 AM
  19. quantum tao's Avatar
    my daughter has a Droid Ultra. She got it about six months ago and loved it. Best phone ever. Two weeks ago she was asking about her upgrade date. Hates it. Totally laggy.

    Its the nature of the beast, really.
    just like windows or WP, it could be how it is setup.
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    03-27-2014 06:30 AM
  20. A895's Avatar
    my daughter has a Droid Ultra. She got it about six months ago and loved it. Best phone ever. Two weeks ago she was asking about her upgrade date. Hates it. Totally laggy.

    Its the nature of the beast, really.
    On order for a device to get laggy something had to happen. What happened to it? Did she download some weird app? Is she putting the processor under load? What are her usage habits? These are the question YOU should be asking as you are tech savvy person I would guess as you are frequenting mobile nations forums.

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    03-27-2014 08:14 AM
  21. A895's Avatar
    just like windows or WP, it could be how it is setup.
    Yeah, EVERY mobile device is subject to something going wrong and it getting laggy. Android phones is no special case.

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    03-27-2014 08:15 AM
  22. falconrap's Avatar
    Ain't this thread fun. Oh Android...if you didn't constantly need app updates, constantly clogging up my tablets that have Android (constantly downloading updates, that is). Android is Google's method of taking you, and putting you on their store shelf to sell to advertisers. There app store isn't very well regulated either. WP8 is pretty much always smooth. I already have 43 games on my Icon, plus 30 odd applications, and no impact to performance whatsoever, and I leave location and bluetooth on all the time. No lag. The fact that some people think there aren't many games on WP8 boggles my mind. No, it doesn't have every latest and greatest game that comes out, but neither does Android. iOS tends to get targeted first. There have been some WP8 exclusive games as well...can you get Halo on your Android or iPhone?

    To each his/her own, but I'm amazed that many people get upset when someone has an app that they can't get. Really? Why? Do they have 6Tag (arguably better than any of the official Instagram clients on other phones)? And there are others. Every platform has it's pluses and minuses. To me iOS is for the hipsters and people who want simple, just works (most of the time), and feel a need to be connected to all of their other iOS touting friends playing and using games and apps together. Android, to me, is more suited for the technology geeks that want to be able to play around with a bazillion settings and make their toilet flush from outside. Most people simply do not need Android's flexibility. For me, WP8 is flexible enough to do what most people, myself included, need it to do, and it does it easily. Most importantly, I don't need to manage my phone to make it useable, nor keep up with every update and minor notification. I can concentrate on using the features I need.

    At the end of the day, you really need to assess just what is it your really need from your phone and go for what meets those needs. I'm personally glad that I don't have to micromanage my phone anymore (something webOS had in common with Android). It's a HUGE relief. Plus, I don't worry about my personal data being scanned constantly to make me a piece of meat on the shelf being sold by the OS' parent company. Not everyone will feel like I do, and I respect that, but it's the core of why I chose this OS.

    Oh, and the Icon has to be one of the nicest, most well built phones I have ever touched. It's great!
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    03-27-2014 08:59 PM
  23. A895's Avatar
    Ain't this thread fun. Oh Android...if you didn't constantly need app updates, constantly clogging up my tablets that have Android (constantly downloading updates, that is). Android is Google's method of taking you, and putting you on their store shelf to sell to advertisers. There app store isn't very well regulated either. WP8 is pretty much always smooth. I already have 43 games on my Icon, plus 30 odd applications, and no impact to performance whatsoever, and I leave location and bluetooth on all the time. No lag. The fact that some people think there aren't many games on WP8 boggles my mind. No, it doesn't have every latest and greatest game that comes out, but neither does Android. iOS tends to get targeted first. There have been some WP8 exclusive games as well...can you get Halo on your Android or iPhone?

    To each his/her own, but I'm amazed that many people get upset when someone has an app that they can't get. Really? Why? Do they have 6Tag (arguably better than any of the official Instagram clients on other phones)? And there are others. Every platform has it's pluses and minuses. To me iOS is for the hipsters and people who want simple, just works (most of the time), and feel a need to be connected to all of their other iOS touting friends playing and using games and apps together. Android, to me, is more suited for the technology geeks that want to be able to play around with a bazillion settings and make their toilet flush from outside. Most people simply do not need Android's flexibility. For me, WP8 is flexible enough to do what most people, myself included, need it to do, and it does it easily. Most importantly, I don't need to manage my phone to make it useable, nor keep up with every update and minor notification. I can concentrate on using the features I need.

    At the end of the day, you really need to assess just what is it your really need from your phone and go for what meets those needs. I'm personally glad that I don't have to micromanage my phone anymore (something webOS had in common with Android). It's a HUGE relief. Plus, I don't worry about my personal data being scanned constantly to make me a piece of meat on the shelf being sold by the OS' parent company. Not everyone will feel like I do, and I respect that, but it's the core of why I chose this OS.

    Oh, and the Icon has to be one of the nicest, most well built phones I have ever touched. It's great!
    Wow you make so many generalizations that aren't even correct.

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    03-27-2014 09:35 PM
  24. falconrap's Avatar
    Wow you make so many generalizations that aren't even correct.

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    I think you missed the "I feel" part of my comments. They're my personal opinion. You may not agree, but I watch people and how and why they do a lot of the things they do, and far too many people are concerned with how others think of them and how others interact with them. My opinion on how the OS' play out best is pretty well backed up by what we've seen from research on smartphone usage. There's a reason why satisfaction with Android is lower than the other OS's. It's overly complicated for the majority of users, while being the majority platform due to cost. The whole app situation goes back to my comment on people needing others to perceive them in certain ways. It is what it is.

    Most people, when you show them how WP can due to key things they need with the ease it does, are wowed and impressed. The apps, though, are a situation that does need resolving for those who just can't get past the fact that their friends are playing Cut the Rope and they can't.
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    03-28-2014 05:04 AM
  25. alteschweed's Avatar
    I understand new people comming to wp. I bought a L 920 5 months ago and at the beginning it felt really lacking (comming from N8, N9, HTC Desire HD and even compared to SE K750i) because it just lacks essentila features. It looks nice but thats quiet it. WP 8 looks nice but it's not completle thought through. By now I kind of like my Lumia 920 and the lacking doesn't bother me that much and I'm also looking forward to WP 8.1. To conclude, it's getting better and better, but I still wouldn't recommend WP 8 and even WP 8.1 to anyone at the moment.
    (I'd recommend symbian ;) )
    03-28-2014 05:25 AM
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