10-10-2014 02:09 PM
1,870 ... 4445464748 ...
tools
  1. awilliams1701's Avatar
    I'm leaving for AT&T at some point. I have 2 concerns neither one alone is enough to stop me, but both combined is an issue. First is that I want the 1525/1530 that hasn't been officially announced yet. Second is my ETF with Verizon. I'm not sure when I intend to say screw it and jump ship, but I think its too close to the 1 year mark of the 1520 to do it now.

    Moron, ha. I am no the one crying because i dont have 8.1 on my Icon. Oh my god my life is over what will I do now. Every company is different. They run it as they see fit. You dont like it then leave to ATT.
    MikeSo likes this.
    09-30-2014 02:40 PM
  2. awilliams1701's Avatar
    Thank you! my point exactly. If the reason is we don't give a crap, I would know to never do business with them again. However I'm already leaning in that direction. Ironically I've already said that about AT&T, but I honestly feel like they've fixed issues with their company thanks to T-Mobile. Verizon on the other hand is proud of their #1 network status and don't give a crap about their customers. Take our #1 network and get screwed or don't. That is their attitude and I'm sick of it.

    I really think the main issue here is lack of communication from Verizon. If they would at least explain or give some reason for the delay I really think people would lay back and wait more patiently. If they are indeed skipping cyan and jumping on denim it would be nice to know. If there are issues with cyan on their network, again, nice to know.
    Unfortunately they have kept mum on the situation (more like dumb) on a flagship phone that I for one purchased and expected great service and support for.

    Just my 2 cents...
    09-30-2014 02:46 PM
  3. awilliams1701's Avatar
    I bought my phone from Microsoft not Verizon. Microsoft sold me a Nokia product. As far as I'm concerned Verizon shouldn't even be involved as long as I have service, which I do.

    Exactly how I feel. I still can't understand why VZ is not liable for this. Looks like negligence which is affecting customers!
    09-30-2014 02:47 PM
  4. Surmisation's Avatar
    I'm leaving for AT&T at some point. I have 2 concerns neither one alone is enough to stop me, but both combined is an issue. First is that I want the 1525/1530 that hasn't been officially announced yet. Second is my ETF with Verizon. I'm not sure when I intend to say screw it and jump ship, but I think its too close to the 1 year mark of the 1520 to do it now.
    Yea. I was saying the same thing. I'm just gonna wait it out til my contracts up in Jan. Too many people spread out over too many locales. I'll wait til the family meets up at some point in Feb or Mar and then switch all the lines to unlocked devices on a GSM network
    09-30-2014 02:48 PM
  5. Surmisation's Avatar
    I bought my phone from Microsoft not Verizon. Microsoft sold me a Nokia product. As far as I'm concerned Verizon shouldn't even be involved as long as I have service, which I do.
    Not negligence, just the status quo. Only way to circumvent is to buy unlocked. Even buying unlocked is a pain because its confrontational to the current model. If traditional OEMs disrupt, then carriers won't sell those phones.

    Although, there are some success stories.

    Google Nexus line
    Motorola under Lenovo
    Oppo's OnePlus line

    These companies forego a large segment of the U.S. market by excluding Verizon subscribers. MS has too much riding in gaining marks share that they simply aren't justifying selling unlocked. Even Apple has to wait a few months before selling an unlocked version of a new iPhone in the U.S.

    Telcos wield a huge amount of power here in the states. Time for some new antirust cases IMO
    JamesPTao likes this.
    09-30-2014 02:58 PM
  6. awilliams1701's Avatar
    On CDMA networks there is no such thing as unlocked. You have to have Verizon's or Sprint's blessing or the phone simply will not work. GSM on the other hand, not a problem.

    Not negligence, just the status quo. Only way to circumvent is to buy unlocked. Even buying unlocked is a pain because its confrontational to the current model. If traditional OEMs disrupt, then carriers won't sell those phones.

    Although, there are some success stories.

    Google Nexus line
    Motorola under Lenovo
    Oppo's OnePlus line

    These companies forego a large segment of the U.S. market by excluding Verizon subscribers. MS has too much riding in gaining marks share that they simply aren't justifying selling unlocked. Even Apple has to wait a few months before selling an unlocked version of a new iPhone in the U.S.

    Telcos wield a huge amount of power here in the states. Time for some new antirust cases IMO
    09-30-2014 03:03 PM
  7. MikeSo's Avatar
    On CDMA networks there is no such thing as unlocked. You have to have Verizon's or Sprint's blessing or the phone simply will not work. GSM on the other hand, not a problem.
    I think most CDMA phones also have GSM hardware in them. Didn't Verizon have to make their phones unlocked or something? I thought I saw Icons used on AT&T but without LTE due to incompatible frequencies?
    09-30-2014 03:22 PM
  8. moegumby's Avatar
    My Blackberry Q10, HTC 8x and my Icon are all factory unlocked and have both CDMA and GSM, since Verizon switched over to LTE and Sim cards most new devices are factory unlocked now.
    Sent from my Verizon Icon
    09-30-2014 03:43 PM
  9. anon(8503161)'s Avatar
    I think most CDMA phones also have GSM hardware in them. Didn't Verizon have to make their phones unlocked or something? I thought I saw Icons used on AT&T but without LTE due to incompatible frequencies?
    I can confirm that the ICON works on GSM but on edge 2g speeds.
    09-30-2014 04:15 PM
  10. rickms80's Avatar
    While the phones they sell maybe unlocked and the hardware is capable of operating on other networks you still can not bring an unlocked phone to Verizon or Sprint. It would require programming for the CDMA portion of the phone which they simply can and will refuse to-do because the phone isn't "approved." CDMA is still used to carry voice on their network. You could pop a Verizon sim into another device that has the same LTE bands but voice will not work... Only data.

    I do think Verizon's phone's are sold SIM unlocked buuuuut..... They're also tailored for their network and may not support all LTE bands that other networks would require. One of those gotchas if you bought a carrier branded phone even more specifically Verizon and their awesome biggest bestestssssss all be it proprietary network.... Other Carriers can be just as bad because lord knows how LTE in the US is a big cluster ****. I'm looking at you FCC.
    09-30-2014 04:19 PM
  11. xrs22's Avatar
    I can confirm that the ICON works on GSM but on edge 2g speeds.
    You just have to call the number to unlock the att phones and use a Verizon sim and should work? It's just an extra play phone, its a 900 by the way.
    09-30-2014 04:28 PM
  12. awilliams1701's Avatar
    If you're lucky it MIGHT work on LTE only, but there will be no 3g- support of any kind. It requires the phone to have special keys that only verizon and sprint can provide. I've actually seen someone confirm that a unlocked 1520.3 doesn't work at all on verizon. Its too bad because it would solve my Cyan problem. Then once my contract is over I could switch carriers.

    I think most CDMA phones also have GSM hardware in them. Didn't Verizon have to make their phones unlocked or something? I thought I saw Icons used on AT&T but without LTE due to incompatible frequencies?
    09-30-2014 04:38 PM
  13. anon(8503161)'s Avatar
    09-30-2014 04:55 PM
  14. shann123's Avatar
    I currently use my Icon on Straight Talk with an ATT sim. There is no LTE within a few hours of me so I can't comment on whether that works, HSPA+ and MMS do work. I had read that in certain areas LTE would work for T-mobile. Rumor is that Page Plus is getting LTE in October, meaning Icon could be the perfect no contact phone: ATT or T-mobile coverage with Straight Talk or T-mobile outright, and Verizon coverage with Page Plus. Been meaning to write a post about this.
    09-30-2014 06:53 PM
  15. jiovine's Avatar
    . Rumor is that Page Plus is getting LTE in October, meaning Icon could be the perfect no contact phone: ATT or T-mobile coverage with Straight Talk or T-mobile outright, and Verizon coverage with Page Plus. Been meaning to write a post about this.
    I pre-ordered my page plus LTE sim last night from Kitty Wireless. $55 Unlimited Talk/Text and 3GB. Also offer a 5GB plan as well. Only downside I can see is no visual voicemail... I really hate that Verizon stripped that out of windows phone.
    09-30-2014 07:26 PM
  16. DavidinCT's Avatar
    WOW, heated battle.....Figured this would be a little funny....Now that we have every body trolling, or complaining about each other or just bashing Verizon (I have no issue with that myself) but, after this point... I am going to create a new thread....

    "Official Window Phone 10 for the ICON?"

    I give it about 20 years for Verizon to do testing....

    I bet that thread would be worse than this one, as we think we are waiting a while for Cyan ? Just think how long you would wait for 10....lol

    Sorry, had to... Yea, I hate Verizon too
    09-30-2014 07:32 PM
  17. anon(8503161)'s Avatar
    I just realized that my contract is up tomorrow.
    09-30-2014 08:01 PM
  18. robertino23's Avatar
    I just realized that my contract is up tomorrow.
    that beautiful, exciting feeling...

    i'm jealous.
    09-30-2014 08:19 PM
  19. anon(8503161)'s Avatar
    that beautiful, exciting feeling...

    i'm jealous.
    The hunt is on for cheap GSM plans!
    09-30-2014 08:32 PM
  20. MikeSo's Avatar
    I pre-ordered my page plus LTE sim last night from Kitty Wireless. $55 Unlimited Talk/Text and 3GB. Also offer a 5GB plan as well. Only downside I can see is no visual voicemail... I really hate that Verizon stripped that out of windows phone.
    I agree that Verizon should include visual voicemail. At least Magik Mail works great and it's free.
    09-30-2014 09:25 PM
  21. quantum tao's Avatar
    my contract is up in December. 2 months for Verizon to either push me over the edge or pull me back from the brink.
    09-30-2014 09:38 PM
  22. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    I'm out in February when my contract expires.
    09-30-2014 09:54 PM
  23. Brenda Smeby's Avatar
    I may be missing something here, but I've always had visual voicemail on my Icon.
    09-30-2014 10:22 PM
  24. Tjarren's Avatar
    I may be missing something here, but I've always had visual voicemail on my Icon.
    Me too.

    But mine is because I use Google Voice. And don't get me started on how frustrating that situation has been as of late ...

    OT: Still no update yet. No word from Verizon on when. No diggity, no doubt...
    09-30-2014 10:24 PM
  25. MikeSo's Avatar
    I may be missing something here, but I've always had visual voicemail on my Icon.
    You only get it if you pay the additional $3/month. Other carriers include it without any extra cost (I know AT&T and T-Mobile do at least).
    09-30-2014 10:27 PM
1,870 ... 4445464748 ...

Similar Threads

  1. Nokia Cyan Update Page is now Live
    By Pete in forum Microsoft News & Rumors
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 07-16-2014, 03:49 PM
  2. 1520 and the TSA
    By mozman68 in forum Nokia Lumia 1520
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 07-16-2014, 12:30 PM
  3. Here is how to find out if Lumia Cyan is available for your phone
    By WindowsCentral.com in forum Windows Central News Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 07-15-2014, 10:20 AM
  4. 8.1 Cyan update for Rogers phones
    By MyThIc3LiTe in forum Nokia Lumia 920
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 07-15-2014, 09:52 AM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD