04-18-2015 07:24 AM
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  1. GreenScrew's Avatar
    I've started to consider it. Anyone else? Good WiFi and a bit thinner/lighter, for me might outweigh the performance specs disadvantage such that it would be an upgrade. Even has card slot, not that I need/want that myself it seems important to many of you. What am I missing here about the 830 vs Icon?
    GinjaBreadNinja likes this.
    09-27-2014 09:07 AM
  2. GinjaBreadNinja's Avatar
    Totally, totally what you lose, 10mp but still left with a great 10mp camera, a gig of ram, and a gig off processor speed. But with the low requirements of the OS it's still a fantastic phone with a full retail price that's probably half of any "flagship" phones put there, for whatever that word is worth.
    09-27-2014 09:15 AM
  3. beerme1's Avatar
    Hey Cortana
    09-27-2014 11:42 AM
  4. xandros9's Avatar
    The 830 is more of an upgrade or sidegrade to the 92x (VZW has the 928) - hardly going to blow the 930/Icon away.

    However, the 830 does have some tricks up its sleeve like a removable battery and stuff that make it more appealing, I think its a dynamic like the 820/920 thing. Albeit without the on-par internals.
    09-27-2014 11:50 AM
  5. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    The 830 is in no way an "upgrade" to the 930/Icon. Not even close...
    MikeSo likes this.
    09-27-2014 11:56 AM
  6. Blkacesvf41's Avatar
    Icon has better camera, better screen resolution and twice the RAM. You may like the 830's design but that doesn't make it an upgrade from Icon!
    09-27-2014 12:01 PM
  7. arbyjr's Avatar
    Isn't the design pretty much the same as the 930/Icon, just a little thinner?
    When/if the Icon finally get cyan & denim the only advantage for the 830 will be it's thinner?
    A baby Icon/930 not even close to begin equal
    09-27-2014 02:23 PM
  8. XT14N's Avatar
    Hey Cortana
    Sadly, the 830 won't have that feature.
    09-27-2014 02:31 PM
  9. Blkacesvf41's Avatar
    Isn't the design pretty much the same as the 930/Icon, just a little thinner?
    When/if the Icon finally get cyan & denim the only advantage for the 830 will be it's thinner?
    A baby Icon/930 not even close to begin equal
    Yes, you're right. The only two things I see the 830 having over the Icon, are the removable battery and the expandable storage (SD card). Oh, and the option to have only two rows of Live Tiles since is not full HD. I for one would prefer that.
    09-27-2014 04:44 PM
  10. arbyjr's Avatar
    I could really like the microSD card slot, but that's about it, well sure being about to swap out the battery could also be nice, but still. Not even close to being an upgrade, not really even a sidegrade (quoted from this topic).
    09-27-2014 04:54 PM
  11. PhalanxPunx's Avatar
    Not even an option. I bought my Icon outright with only 10 days left until my Verizon upgrade as I wanted to see if I like the Windows interface on a phone. *side note* Yes I make good money and have no family so don't judge me, but I did so that if I liked it I could get the next flagship phone, and if I didn't I could get something else (but never an iPhone). Regardless I do not see the 830 as anywhere near the Icon.
    09-27-2014 06:26 PM
  12. PhalanxPunx's Avatar
    I must say that back in 2004 I left Windows Mobile for a BlackBerry 8310 world phone as it was much better, and I said on the CrackBerry forums that Microsoft would have to do a lot to get me back (left BB for Android after the BB Storm) and they have done just that and now I am back to being a Windows Phone user!
    Blkacesvf41 likes this.
    09-27-2014 06:28 PM
  13. Keith Wallace's Avatar
    The 830's CPU is clocked 40% lower than the Icon, and the GPU probably lags behind by even more. You get half the RAM, half the camera resolution, and half the display resolution. What about any of that says "upgrade?"

    Honestly, it's not even an upgrade to the 920/928. The 830 would have 1.3 MP more on the camera, a lower-resolution display (on a larger screen), and a significantly slower GPU. The 830 is barely an upgrade to the 820/822, and that's only if you're big on the camera and display (which are big upgrades), because the SoC is an overall downgrade (despite the fact that the device is 2 years newer).
    09-29-2014 11:42 AM
  14. MikeSo's Avatar
    Sadly, the 830 won't have that feature.
    That's news to me. Why?
    09-29-2014 01:22 PM
  15. XT14N's Avatar
    That's news to me. Why?
    830 runs SD400. SD800 is currently the only Qualcomm SoC that supports the "Hey Cortana" feature.
    09-29-2014 02:09 PM
  16. MikeSo's Avatar
    830 runs SD400. SD800 is currently the only Qualcomm SoC that supports the "Hey Cortana" feature.
    Ah, I thought that was something the 400 had as well. I guess I was thinking of the SensorCore feature on Lumias.
    09-29-2014 03:15 PM
  17. GreenScrew's Avatar
    I'm not making an argument for the 830 but to qualify as an upgrade doesn't need to be faster just overall better in ones perception or function. So, better battery life, thinner, removable storage and battery, larger screen (yes, despite lower resolution) could be arguments compared to ram, processor, and camera mega pixels that its better. Particularly if memory and processor are overkill and unnoticeable on the WP O/S. For sure the firmware (cyan/denim) will be upgraded, right? Assume WiFi will be of expected range and stability. That was my point, in contrast to pure specs, might it actually be an upgrade. In my opinion, the form factor being thick and chunky, the Icon is not good. In many ways, after 5 months with the Icon, I still consider it at a disadvantage against my former HTC 8x. No doubt many of you will laugh at that comment, but my user experience was way better with the 8x. That phone with 5" of screen would be an upgrade to the Icon based on my use of both devices nothing to do with irrelevant specifications. I don't believe "upgrade" to be a yes/no question that can be so easily discounted based solely on specs. But I don't know anything about be 830 nor have I held one thus the reason for my interest in the debate.
    09-29-2014 05:42 PM
  18. LumiaIcon's Avatar
    To "upgrade" I would argue there needs to be an improvement in the "core" hardware in a phone... Screen, Screen Resolution, Processor, Camera, RAM. It is a good upgrade from several mid tier phones in the Lumia line or perhaps from some of the Pre-1520 "flagships" that were underpowered and sporting 720p screens. But.. No.
    09-29-2014 05:47 PM
  19. GreenScrew's Avatar
    I know this is an old thread of mine that I'm resurrecting but I got my hands on a Lumia 830 with Windows 10 the other day. After using it for a good amount time yesterday, I would trade my Icon in on this phone in a heartbeat. Sadly, the radios don't support Verizon so I have no choice (Vzw required for coverage needs). Upgrade or not from a specifications standpoint, I consider it "better" and for sure the form factor is an upgrade. Disappointed there's no way it would work on Verizon. Everything I've read about WP10 has been about being buggy and laggy, and with its significantly slower processor (compared to Icon) I've had nothing but a great/smooth experience with this 830.
    04-17-2015 06:47 AM
  20. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    After using it for a good amount time yesterday, I would trade my Icon in on this phone in a heartbeat.
    I can't imagine trading in my Icon for a phone that came out less than a year later, with an inferior display, inferior amount of built in storage, inferior camera, and an inferior processor.

    The form factors are different, but really not by much. The 830 is intended to be mid-range model of the 930.
    04-17-2015 09:18 AM
  21. Charles Brown8's Avatar
    I'm not making an argument for the 830 but to qualify as an upgrade doesn't need to be faster just overall better in ones perception or function. So, better battery life, thinner, removable storage and battery, larger screen (yes, despite lower resolution) could be arguments compared to ram, processor, and camera mega pixels that its better. Particularly if memory and processor are overkill and unnoticeable on the WP O/S. For sure the firmware (cyan/denim) will be upgraded, right? Assume WiFi will be of expected range and stability. That was my point, in contrast to pure specs, might it actually be an upgrade. In my opinion, the form factor being thick and chunky, the Icon is not good. In many ways, after 5 months with the Icon, I still consider it at a disadvantage against my former HTC 8x. No doubt many of you will laugh at that comment, but my user experience was way better with the 8x. That phone with 5" of screen would be an upgrade to the Icon based on my use of both devices nothing to do with irrelevant specifications. I don't believe "upgrade" to be a yes/no question that can be so easily discounted based solely on specs. But I don't know anything about be 830 nor have I held one thus the reason for my interest in the debate.
    Just being comical but at least you know the Icon is not going to "accidentally" bend... hehe..
    Realistically though its user preference.... I like a "stout" feeling phone so the build of the Icon suits me well.... I'd just like a Sd card slot on it... ( I use the camera alot) If at least an Icon equal releases this year (verizon compatable) with SD I'll jump all over that for sure, other than that I'll keep my Icon.
    04-17-2015 10:31 AM
  22. GreenScrew's Avatar
    I can't imagine trading in my Icon for a phone that came out less than a year later, with an inferior display, inferior amount of built in storage, inferior camera, and an inferior processor.

    The form factors are different, but really not by much. The 830 is intended to be mid-range model of the 930.
    I don't know why I'm arguing this because I understand the principles of ' preference' at play here but...

    Are you staying this based on what is on paper? Is that wise? Having used it in real life and not based on what is on paper, what you call inferior is imperceptible. At least to me. I don't base what I like on specs and others opinions (whatever those may be based on). In practical use I don't find one single perceptible area where the Icon is superior to the 830 in my use. Take that back... Ok, carrier availability Icon gets my nod.

    Possibly an unfair comparison - 830 is running WP10?
    04-17-2015 11:55 AM
  23. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    I don't know why I'm arguing this because I understand the principles of ' preference' at play here but...

    Are you staying this based on what is on paper? Is that wise? Having used it in real life and not based on what is on paper, what you call inferior is imperceptible. At least to me. I don't base what I like on specs and others opinions (whatever those may be based on). In practical use I don't find one single perceptible area where the Icon is superior to the 830 in my use. Take that back... Ok, carrier availability Icon gets my nod.

    Possibly an unfair comparison - 830 is running WP10?
    Display
    Icon: 1080x1920 resolution (441ppi)
    830: 720x1280 resolution (296 ppi)

    Which device will have a better display? The Icon.

    Storage
    Icon: 32 GB on board (2048 MB RAM)
    830: 16 GB on board + SD slot (1024 MB RAM)

    Which device has more accessible memory/storage? Arguably the 830, but I prefer to not have to deal with an SD card and would rather have the 32gb up front. It's more of a preference on this one.

    Back Camera
    Icon: 20mp, 1080 Video
    830: 10mp, 720 Video

    They use the same software & image processor. But the Icons hardware is vastly superior.

    Processor
    Icon: 2.2GHz
    830: 1.2 GHz

    In speed and manageability, the Icon will always win out.

    Yes, these comparisons are all on paper. But the differences are extremely perceptible. The display on the Icon will have a higher resolution. 720p vs 1080p is easily discernible. Especially on something being held in your hand. The difference in the camera is easily discernible as well. And try a speed test between the two devices, the Icon will always come out on top.
    Charles Brown8 likes this.
    04-17-2015 12:45 PM
  24. gordonfink's Avatar
    I just downgraded from a 930 to an 830, mostly to get LTE on AT&T. I like the 830, quite a lot, but it is no 930.
    04-17-2015 01:42 PM
  25. Rich215's Avatar
    830 an upgrade from the Icon/930.....only on april 1st.
    Last edited by Rich215; 04-17-2015 at 07:17 PM.
    04-17-2015 04:32 PM
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