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  1. Surmisation's Avatar
    Microsoft still thinks that the Icon will get Denim, at least at some point. The newly released Lumia Camera Classic app (I found it using SysAppPusher) is basically the same app we have now. It's for those who don't like the new one that will get released with Denim.

    Take a look at the official store description:

    http://i.imgur.com/bnufbrkl.png

    and if you scroll down you see

    http://i.imgur.com/07YNigJl.png
    Good find!

    The screenshots are absent when viewing from the mobile app, but the text in the description does indicate that they are prepping for Denim to be released for the ICON.
    11-05-2014 09:13 PM
  2. Kasey Pierce's Avatar
    It's got to be something in Cyan and not the 8.1 update. If 8.1 runs in DP just fine...that's not the case.
    11-05-2014 10:17 PM
  3. xrs22's Avatar
    Everybody still updating everyday? I'm getting some server error...ahhhh!
    11-05-2014 11:43 PM
  4. gernerttl's Avatar
    It's got to be something in Cyan and not the 8.1 update. If 8.1 runs in DP just fine...that's not the case.
    Which means there is a problem in the firmware that isn't playing well on Verizon's network. THAT problem is most likely something to do with CDMA. Since that is part of the firmware and NOT the OS, that would account for why the other "major" US CDMA carrier that offers Windows Phones (i.e. Metro PCS) not releasing Cyan just yet.
    11-06-2014 12:41 AM
  5. AR2186's Avatar
    Which means there is a problem in the firmware that isn't playing well on Verizon's network. THAT problem is most likely something to do with CDMA. Since that is part of the firmware and NOT the OS, that would account for why the other "major" US CDMA carrier that offers Windows Phones (i.e. Metro PCS) not releasing Cyan just yet.
    The issue with that theory, however, is that the HTC One for Windows clearly is ok with CDMA (yes I know, no Cyan), but there aren't any phones on Sprint that would get Cyan, just the 8xt and ATIV S NEO.

    There is definitely a bug with CDMA and Cyan (or else they are just lazy), but its no excuse for Sprint

    Edit: Just realized you meant MetroPCS. Again, the issue here is that they are actually GSM with their Windows Phones, which run on the T-Mobile network not the legacy MPCS network
    11-06-2014 05:46 AM
  6. gamefrick's Avatar
    I think that is what the issue really is. Verizon would rather devote 100% of their resources to iPhone and android phone updates rather than windows phone because they realized that the ICON probably didn't sell as well as it could have so why pay a Dev to ensure the 0.2% population of customers that have the ICON deserve to get an update or would care about an update.

    Go figure, it's either Microsoft/Lumia ensure we get these updates directly or we are doomed.

    All in all, I am just waiting for the next big flagship Windows Phone that would kill the iPhone 6 Plus so I can shut up all my friends again.

    NB - I wonder why the 1520 never made it to Verizon, smh
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    11-06-2014 08:18 AM
  7. awilliams1701's Avatar
    Or they could be jerks and intentionally slowing it down with no actual reason to. CDMA technology give Verizon the upper hand. Microsoft has to do what Verizon wants or their phones won't work on Verizon. It could be a cyan+CDMA issue, or it could be that Verizon just plain sucks and doesn't want to update phones in an attempt to sell you a newer phone.

    Which means there is a problem in the firmware that isn't playing well on Verizon's network. THAT problem is most likely something to do with CDMA. Since that is part of the firmware and NOT the OS, that would account for why the other "major" US CDMA carrier that offers Windows Phones (i.e. Metro PCS) not releasing Cyan just yet.
    11-06-2014 10:20 AM
  8. awilliams1701's Avatar
    If that was the case then they shouldn't waste any time at all on testing windows phone. They should just automatically approve all updates.

    I think that is what the issue really is. Verizon would rather devote 100% of their resources to iPhone and android phone updates rather than windows phone because they realized that the ICON probably didn't sell as well as it could have so why pay a Dev to ensure the 0.2% population of customers that have the ICON deserve to get an update or would care about an update.

    Go figure, it's either Microsoft/Lumia ensure we get these updates directly or we are doomed.

    All in all, I am just waiting for the next big flagship Windows Phone that would kill the iPhone 6 Plus so I can shut up all my friends again.

    NB - I wonder why the 1520 never made it to Verizon, smh
    11-06-2014 10:21 AM
  9. Trent Vann's Avatar
    Unless I'm an anomaly, I'm thinking it's Verizon being Verizon.
    11-06-2014 01:00 PM
  10. Surmisation's Avatar
    Unless I'm an anomaly, I'm thinking it's Verizon being Verizon.
    Combination of factors on Verizon...

    1. Htc OM8FW exclusivity contract
    2. Gripe about att 830 visual similarity to icon. Resulted in manufacturing change to dark aluminum.
    3. Cdma issues
    4. High firmware testing fees
    5. Lack of training/dedication to the platform
    6. Atrocious PR or lack thereof

    Microsoft has responded in suit with half assed support for Verizon devices. It's now cyclical and embittered between both companies and users suffer the delays.

    Not just Verizon, Microsoft is guilty also. Shame on them both.
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    11-06-2014 01:27 PM
  11. nunyazz's Avatar
    11-06-2014 05:08 PM
  12. gernerttl's Avatar
    Poor dead horse...
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    11-06-2014 05:17 PM
  13. Surmisation's Avatar
    Not sure if I catch your meaning p. Who's who in the gif analogy?
    11-06-2014 05:54 PM
  14. PhalanxPunx's Avatar
    Instead of a horse it should be the ICON.
    nunyazz likes this.
    11-06-2014 05:59 PM
  15. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Not sure if I catch your meaning p. Who's who in the gif analogy?
    I'm going to guess English isn't your first language. Flogging a dead horse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    11-06-2014 06:38 PM
  16. Surmisation's Avatar
    I'm going to guess English isn't your first language. Flogging a dead horse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Rubbish, ye bloody pussayclat
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    11-06-2014 07:44 PM
  17. donebrasko's Avatar
    How does the camera on the Droid Turbo match up to the Icon?
    I like the Lumia camera better but turbo shoots a little faster. I haven't compared identical photos yet. I'll try to do it this weekend
    11-06-2014 09:22 PM
  18. Trent Vann's Avatar
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    I would think it's #1 on your list as #3 works.
    11-06-2014 09:22 PM
  19. gernerttl's Avatar
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    I would think it's #1 on your list as #3 works.
    I don't want to know about #2...
    11-07-2014 12:02 AM
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    I would think it's #1 on your list as #3 works.
    Is that PhotoShoped?
    11-07-2014 02:55 AM
  21. AR2186's Avatar
    Is that PhotoShoped?
    Its real, but on a testing device.
    11-07-2014 06:19 AM
  22. AR2186's Avatar
    I don't want to know about #2...
    Im pretty sure #2 is the reason it got retired (makes the most sense) and the update is due to #1.

    Interestingly, TCMan88, who up to this point had been 100% correct (ex red 928 - which was supposed to launch) thought it was going live on Oct 7th, turns out that Nov 7th just happens to be the day HTC M8 for Windows loses exclusivity at VZW. He said exclusivity was one of the reasons it was held back (makes sense in a sick sort of way), and you have to imagine Cyan was basically ready in June for this phone given the 930, so it could only be the CDMA layer differences. Seems he was off by a month, though I dont think we'll see it today. At this point, why not just wait a few weeks longer to just roll out Denim
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    11-07-2014 06:27 AM
  23. donebrasko's Avatar
    Im pretty sure #2 is the reason it got retired (makes the most sense) and the update is due to #1.

    Interestingly, TCMan88, who up to this point had been 100% correct (ex red 928 - which was supposed to launch) thought it was going live on Oct 7th, turns out that Nov 7th just happens to be the day HTC M8 for Windows loses exclusivity at VZW. He said exclusivity was one of the reasons it was held back (makes sense in a sick sort of way), and you have to imagine Cyan was basically ready in June for this phone given the 930, so it could only be the CDMA layer differences. Seems he was off by a month, though I dont think we'll see it today. At this point, why not just wait a few weeks longer to just roll out Denim
    At this point I can't see Verizon putting denim on the icon before their new wp comes out. Is scheduled to come out in 2015... We won't get denim until then.
    11-07-2014 08:00 AM
  24. donebrasko's Avatar
    I have Verizon Fios too. They have an app for iP and Andriod. But nothing for Windows. I posted a comment that if they are selling the Windows devices, maybe they should support them on their other side too. But all my AT&T friends are standing in the parking lot talking on their cell phones because they don't get good signal. Sucks, but that is why I stay.
    THIS is why I can't leave Verizon
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    11-07-2014 08:46 AM
  25. gamefrick's Avatar
    At this point I can't see Verizon putting denim on the icon before their new wp comes out. Is scheduled to come out in 2015... We won't get denim until then.
    I really thought Microsoft Lumia would be releasing a new flagship before Christmas, at least to match competition on the iPhone6 front. It seems that flagships are coming out not as often as they should. Considering how many other low-end phones are released. I still love my ICON.
    11-07-2014 08:53 AM
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