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  1. SteveNoza's Avatar
    If you do a test where you put the Icon against another device (I used the Lumia 520 and the 635) on the fringes of a Wi-Fi network, I can almost guarantee that you'll see how much weaker the reception on the Icon is. It is the same no matter which OS version I use.
    The Icon works as well as all my past BlackBerrys, and as well as all my wife's iPhones. The only thing that has weak WiFi connectivity at times is my Surface RT tablet.
    12-24-2014 02:58 PM
  2. Surmisation's Avatar
    I seriously doubt the Wi-Fi problems can be fixed actually. My Icon is so much worse when it comes to reception than everything else I have that it seems most likely a hardware issue.
    So I'm guessing that will be the most common complaint :)
    Dang. I was just reminiscing on 2014. Who remembers the the original Official Cyan thread?

    No complaining back then. Mostly speculation.
    Then one month passes. Then another. Then the 3rd, 4th and 5th months. Janruary 15th marks half a year.

    The general tone has transitioned laterally from pessimistic, impatient, curious, impatient, angered, vengeful, culminating in the current state of calm indifference.

    It seems everybody has stopped caring about whether the FW actually works. The official FW threads have become a kind of support group for the most dejected Lumia owners on planet Earth.

    It has been helpful hearing everybody's gripes and sharing disdain for the way Verizon - and to a lesser extent, Microsoft - have conducted themselves. Thanks fellow ICON owners. Hopefully 2015 brings about better support.
    12-24-2014 08:12 PM
  3. jazz70's Avatar
    Merry Christmas all, now I'm ready for New Years, a lot of football, and hopefully Denim in the first couple of weeks of January
    12-25-2014 02:56 PM
  4. gernerttl's Avatar
    Two (ish) weeks and counting.
    12-26-2014 09:26 PM
  5. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Come on Release it now !!!! I want 4K recording now !!!!!!!
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    12-29-2014 09:11 AM
  6. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Dang. I was just reminiscing on 2014. Who remembers the the original Official Cyan thread?

    No complaining back then.
    Nostalgia at it's best
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    12-29-2014 09:27 AM
  7. mojo321's Avatar
    Well, I think I'm gonna go back to iphone. I've had this Icon for almost a year. I hate to say it, because I really like having the control over my files, and office. Live tiles are superior to iphone. But the app gap is killing me. And this massive delay on "the update" is really making me angry, and that's not how I want to feel when I pick up my phone.

    I championed my Icon to everyone I saw that asked me "what is that?". I showed them Cortana, the beautiful screen, pocket file manager, which can access my OneDrive, dropbox, music, ringtones, and documents. I showed them how Data Sense works to keep me under my data limit each month by comparing a progress bar of how much data I have left with how much month I have left. I was proud. But there are exactly 3 apps that I can't live without, (financial, financial, and hobby) available on Android and iphone. I contacted the makers of these apps, and offered them $100 to convert the apps. I told them I would even beta test it. I showed them where to go on the Microsoft website to become a developer and get the easy tools to convert. None of them took me up on it. One of them was even a small independent programmer. He was my best odds. But no.

    When others were saying, "if Cyan isn't here before Thanksgiving, I'm leaving." I said, I'll give them the rest of the year. I thought that was MORE than generous. And yet, here we are. You have two days Verizon and Microsoft. Two days. Then I'm gone.
    12-29-2014 09:31 AM
  8. MobileVortex's Avatar
    If i had to guess, which that's all this is. Launch date will be 1/20/15.
    12-29-2014 09:50 AM
  9. beerme1's Avatar
    I suspect the app gap disappears completely with Windows 10. I hope.
    12-29-2014 10:02 AM
  10. MikeSo's Avatar
    I suspect the app gap disappears completely with Windows 10. I hope.
    It will not do so instantly at any rate, and only as a side effect.
    W10 has the advantage of making it more attractive for developers of some apps to devote time to it, if the app they are creating is not focused on mobile use, and isn't particularly concerned with location or spur of the moment use. Financial apps might very well see a boon, for example, or apps like Netflix might get more timely updates.
    But for developers of apps that are primarily for mobile use, like WhatsApp, Snapchat, etc, W10 means virtually nothing until the share of W10 users on mobile increases. This share MIGHT increase if the other apps make it more attractive for consumers to buy a W10 device, but the cross-device appeal of W10 itself is pretty much irrelevant for these apps.

    And it's a long way until W10 anyway.
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    12-29-2014 10:28 AM
  11. vepac's Avatar
    Well, I think I'm gonna go back to iphone. I've had this Icon for almost a year. I hate to say it, because I really like having the control over my files, and office. Live tiles are superior to iphone. But the app gap is killing me. And this massive delay on "the update" is really making me angry, and that's not how I want to feel when I pick up my phone.

    I championed my Icon to everyone I saw that asked me "what is that?". I showed them Cortana, the beautiful screen, pocket file manager, which can access my OneDrive, dropbox, music, ringtones, and documents. I showed them how Data Sense works to keep me under my data limit each month by comparing a progress bar of how much data I have left with how much month I have left. I was proud. But there are exactly 3 apps that I can't live without, (financial, financial, and hobby) available on Android and iphone. I contacted the makers of these apps, and offered them $100 to convert the apps. I told them I would even beta test it. I showed them where to go on the Microsoft website to become a developer and get the easy tools to convert. None of them took me up on it. One of them was even a small independent programmer. He was my best odds. But no.

    When others were saying, "if Cyan isn't here before Thanksgiving, I'm leaving." I said, I'll give them the rest of the year. I thought that was MORE than generous. And yet, here we are. You have two days Verizon and Microsoft. Two days. Then I'm gone.
    I'm with you on this one. Except for me I'm going to the Note 4 in January. Then after a year if windows phone is moving forward instead of a standstill I may be back. I don't have any plans on leaving windows central though. The app gap doesn't bother me on windows phone, its the lack of updates for the phone in a good time frame that gives me more features on my phone.
    12-29-2014 11:04 AM
  12. gernerttl's Avatar
    If i had to guess, which that's all this is. Launch date will be 1/20/15.
    Hmmm... What brought you to that estimate? Just curious.
    12-29-2014 11:41 AM
  13. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Hmmm... What brought you to that estimate? Just curious.
    Because he's hell-bent on the update being released on a Tuesday. And he, like many of us, has had his heart broken by Verizon enough times to not gamble on it being released in the first two weeks of the year.
    aximtreo likes this.
    12-29-2014 11:45 AM
  14. 11B1P's Avatar
    Well, I think I'm gonna go back to iphone. I've had this Icon for almost a year. I hate to say it, because I really like having the control over my files, and office. Live tiles are superior to iphone. But the app gap is killing me. And this massive delay on "the update" is really making me angry, and that's not how I want to feel when I pick up my phone.

    I championed my Icon to everyone I saw that asked me "what is that?". I showed them Cortana, the beautiful screen, pocket file manager, which can access my OneDrive, dropbox, music, ringtones, and documents. I showed them how Data Sense works to keep me under my data limit each month by comparing a progress bar of how much data I have left with how much month I have left. I was proud. But there are exactly 3 apps that I can't live without, (financial, financial, and hobby) available on Android and iphone. I contacted the makers of these apps, and offered them $100 to convert the apps. I told them I would even beta test it. I showed them where to go on the Microsoft website to become a developer and get the easy tools to convert. None of them took me up on it. One of them was even a small independent programmer. He was my best odds. But no.

    When others were saying, "if Cyan isn't here before Thanksgiving, I'm leaving." I said, I'll give them the rest of the year. I thought that was MORE than generous. And yet, here we are. You have two days Verizon and Microsoft. Two days. Then I'm gone.
    You're phone doesn't work without an "update"? It doesn't make calls, text or access the internet?

    App gap? Good grief, here we go again.
    Longstone likes this.
    12-29-2014 01:34 PM
  15. PhreePhlyer's Avatar
    As much of a Microsoft fan as I am, I do think the app gap is real. And it sucks. Luckily my financial institution has a great WP app, but I know my girlfriend's bank doesn't have a WP app and it sucks. I would consider leaving WP if my bank stopped supporting it's app. And financial apps are almost daily drivers.
    12-29-2014 02:03 PM
  16. MobileVortex's Avatar
    can you not just pin the banks website?

    Often ive found that websties work better than apps in many situations.
    12-29-2014 02:22 PM
  17. MikeSo's Avatar
    can you not just pin the banks website?

    Often ive found that websties work better than apps in many situations.
    I agree with this (I use mobile websites even if there are apps in most cases as long as they work well), but it's beside the point for most. When this happens over and over again, finally there's a straw that will break the camel's back.

    The wait for this Denim update is just another in a seemingly never-ending line of waiting for updates to everything, or for apps that may or may not ever come. It's understandable that many finally have enough.

    EDIT: I came across this article when doing a Google search for Nokia Treasure Tag just now, by the way: http://www.windowscentral.com/lumia-...asure-tag-cyan

    The good news is if you did buy the Treasure Tag, you’ll only have a few weeks (or months?) to wait until the proper Windows Phone 8.1 update with Lumia Cyan firmware arrives
    That was back in May... :)
    Last edited by MikeSo; 12-29-2014 at 03:20 PM.
    12-29-2014 02:44 PM
  18. PhreePhlyer's Avatar
    can you not just pin the banks website?

    Often ive found that websties work better than apps in many situations.
    Yea, no. My bank has the check deposit via the app. I can't do that online. This is a fantastic feature. Sometimes the apps are better, and developers are still slow to support WP.
    12-29-2014 02:54 PM
  19. gernerttl's Avatar
    Because he's hell-bent on the update being released on a Tuesday. And he, like many of us, has had his heart broken by Verizon enough times to not gamble on it being released in the first two weeks of the year.
    Ah. I thought so. I never understand why people are hell bent on this Tuesday update fetish for Windows Phones. Yes, Microsoft has "patch Tuesdays" for Windows and Windows servers, but Microsoft is not responsible for updating carrier branded Windows Phones. The carriers are.

    I'm not holding my breath for ANY update... Though, I won't complain when it does come. Whether it is the first two weeks of the year or not.
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    12-29-2014 04:31 PM
  20. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    I was at a Microsoft store tonight and noticed that none of the Verizon WP8 display models were out, including the Icon.

    I asked one of the store managers why the Icon wasn't on display and she said that "it was in the back being updated."

    I said,"updated?"

    And then she smiled and said, "Just the demo software."

    I said "Aw, bummer..."

    Then she told me to download the developer preview, it's worth it.

    So, we probably shouldn't read into that... I'm still going to take it as promising that the demo software is being updated...
    12-30-2014 12:20 AM
  21. Longstone's Avatar
    Not sure if it's going to happen, but looks like an emulator type solution is already available. Microsoft just trying to decide if they are going to support it or go with their Universal App Program that will allow developers to create apps that will run on any version of Windows 10, from the smallest smartphone to the largest all-in-one PC.

    Microsoft hones its plans to try to close the app gap | ZDNet
    12-30-2014 08:41 AM
  22. fredd's Avatar
    No matter what anyone says there is an app gap. It may be small but its there. Here is a couple of examples. First My wife has an Iphone and my Daughter an a galazy. They both have the dish anywhere app can control recordings and the DVR etc. Also they can both view our security sytem which is swannview. They sell these systems in every Walmart lowes etc you would think Windows would have a working app. There is the app but it only works on windows 7. Just a tad bit outdated. Also my bank etc etc etc....
    12-30-2014 08:50 AM
  23. fredd's Avatar
    I am also going to another platform until windows get it together. Hate to but it is what it is. believe me when they get the apps I need Ill be the first to jump back to windows
    12-30-2014 08:51 AM
  24. mojo321's Avatar
    Yes, App gap. It is real. But let me clarify, before you get all worked up.

    The app gap doesn't refer to just "a bunch of apps that are just as fun and useful as what you can get on iphone or android". It refers to the lack of SPECIFIC apps.

    Just because WP has a huge amount of apps, they don't have the exact same apps I need. For example, Oanda is an online Forex trading clearing house. I spend my spare time making real money trading in forex. Oanda has no plans to make their app available on WP, which is available on android and iphone. Now, don't tell me to just switch banks. Another forex app, which is the leader in forex charting, is Metatrader. Not on WP.

    Another one, EZ budget is a budgeting app that allows my wife and I to both access the same budget file (kept in a dropbox account). She is on iphone. You can use the app in android or iphone, and both platforms use the same data file kept in the dropbox. But WP doesn't have the app, so I can only use dropbox to go look at the file. Sitting there. But I can't open it.

    Another one, Amazon Instant Video. I pay actual money to be an amazon prime member. While my wife and kids are streaming to their devices, I have to go sit at the computer. Because WP doesn't have the app.

    Ultimate Guitar Tabs. This is the coolest little guitarists app out there. But the WP version doesn't have the Pro features. No plans in the works for it, either. The basic features that the WP version has is like a huge step backwards.

    So yeah, there is an app gap. Now, you'll probably say "that's just a few specific apps, that most people don't even care about." Sure, my list of specific apps may not be the same as your list of specific apps, but EVERYONE has run into at least one or two apps that they wanted to get but aren't on WP. So, that is the app gap. Pleased to meet you. End the denial.
    MikeSo likes this.
    12-30-2014 09:01 AM
  25. fredd's Avatar
    You're phone doesn't work without an "update"? It doesn't make calls, text or access the internet?

    App gap? Good grief, here we go again.
    Yep the phone does work without the apps I would like but so does Android and Iphone with those apps that they have that windows phone dont. And since the bill will the the same I dont blame people to jump ship until they get the APP GAP taken care of
    12-30-2014 09:05 AM
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