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  1. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    So far, nothing today.
    When I woke up this morning my arm was tingling. I wasn't sure if it was because I slept on it funny, or if denim was being released today. I'm wearing my denim boxer briefs today just in case.

    They are not comfortable, so you should all be thankful for this ritual sacrifice that I am making.
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    01-15-2015 08:09 AM
  2. DavidinCT's Avatar
    When I woke up this morning my arm was tingling. I wasn't sure if it was because I slept on it funny, or if denim was being released today. I'm wearing my denim boxer briefs today just in case.

    They are not comfortable, so you should all be thankful for this ritual sacrifice that I am making.
    LOL, I hope it's worth it :)
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    01-15-2015 08:16 AM
  3. Heavens_Angel26's Avatar
    I plan on skipping the denim update (since Verizon never cared about us Icon users) if Windows 10 comes with Lumia Camera 5.

    I've talked and argued with my cousin, who works at Verizon Wireless call center as a Tech Support. He gave me nothing but B.S. excuses on why Verizon is taking too long to release the update and why they stopped selling Windows Phones on the webpages. He told me because nobody wants them and it wouldn't make any sense for VZW to support an unwanted phone or OS. Then I pointed out on why are they still selling Blackberry devices, and the excuse was because people still use their emails, and then argued that didn't make any sense as Blackberry's sales and market shares are a lot worst than Windows Phones. Last straw, was he's telling me how people want Android phones because of all the features and apps they have......
    01-15-2015 08:20 AM
  4. mtalinm's Avatar
    one more reason to be excited for Denim: enables the fitbit app to count your steps from SensorCore

    here's hoping that "early 2015" doesn't mean June 30.
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    01-15-2015 08:35 AM
  5. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    I plan on skipping the denim update (since Verizon never cared about us Icon users) if Windows 10 comes with Lumia Camera 5.
    What do you mean you plan on skipping it? Denim is a firmware update to accompany WP8.1. Your phone needs it to work better with the software. It's like skipping a crucial class in school to get your degree.
    01-15-2015 08:38 AM
  6. Danbradford7's Avatar
    What do you mean you plan on skipping it? Denim is a firmware update to accompany WP8.1. Your phone needs it to work better with the software. It's like skipping a crucial class in school to get your degree.
    Unfortunately, he's right. Comparing battery life on black to cyan on 8.1 is like night and day. I just hope Microsoft starts pushing firmware updates with the phone insider app. That's the only reason I can see then changing apps.
    01-15-2015 08:52 AM
  7. Jon Hemphill's Avatar
    The thing that really bothers me is this - both the 822 and the 928 both have Denim, so we know the CDMA radios work, the 930 also has Denim, so that hardware works. But the Icon is so unique, so radical, that VZW and/or MS cannot get Denim to work on the Icon?
    01-15-2015 09:00 AM
  8. tomworthjr's Avatar
    At the end of Daniel's interview with the guy in charge of Lumia camera wizardry, Juha Alakarhu, he verified that we should see Denim on all "current flagships" (the last word was hard to understand, but I think that's what Daniel said; earlier in the interview, they did specifically mention it would go to the Icon) by the end of Q1 (which is March 31, for those of you not familiar with quarters). As he was saying that, Juha nodded his head in agreement. That seems pretty solid to me.
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    01-15-2015 09:16 AM
  9. Kieta's Avatar
    The thing that really bothers me is this - both the 822 and the 928 both have Denim, so we know the CDMA radios work, the 930 also has Denim, so that hardware works. But the Icon is so unique, so radical, that VZW and/or MS cannot get Denim to work on the Icon?
    I've always believed that, even though I love my ICON there are hardware issues with it. And those issues aren't corrected easily with software. Although we can speculate all day we may never know for sure just my belief. If taking this long means we get a good working Denim update for the ICON I don't mind waiting.
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    01-15-2015 10:07 AM
  10. SpaceyO's Avatar
    The thing that really bothers me is this - both the 822 and the 928 both have Denim, so we know the CDMA radios work, the 930 also has Denim, so that hardware works. But the Icon is so unique, so radical, that VZW and/or MS cannot get Denim to work on the Icon?
    I thought the holdup was that there were issues with the VZ specific apps - VZ Navigator, MyVerizon, etc...I'm assuming it's taking the Icon longer because it gets more features that could still be messing with those apps...
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    01-15-2015 10:53 AM
  11. Kieta's Avatar
    I thought the holdup was that there were issues with the VZ specific apps - VZ Navigator, MyVerizon, etc...I'm assuming it's taking the Icon longer because it gets more features that could still be messing with those apps...
    Could be the additional features the ICON gets with Denim as well. I still think we'll see it sometime during January. Just my guess.
    SpaceyO likes this.
    01-15-2015 10:59 AM
  12. Nokia_Lumia's Avatar
    Seems to me that Lumia Icon is plagued by hardware issues. 928 was sold by Verizon for almost 2yrs, and icon retired after 6 months. The WiFi, screen issues, wakeup/resuming, etc. Honestly, I am not surprised by Nokia. They were having quality problems before Windows Phone - does anyone remember the disaster of N97 in 2009? Hardware that was not working or not working well together. Updates never really fixed it. Icon should see the Denim update, but Verizon may have collaborated with Microsoft to retire it to avoid ruining reputation of both companies. Hope to see a worthy flagship on Verizon this year.
    01-15-2015 11:17 AM
  13. MikeSo's Avatar
    I've always believed that, even though I love my ICON there are hardware issues with it. And those issues aren't corrected easily with software. Although we can speculate all day we may never know for sure just my belief. If taking this long means we get a good working Denim update for the ICON I don't mind waiting.
    I agree. I think there's a fundamental hardware problem with the Wi-Fi on the Icon, and that it can't be fixed. It has the worst Wi-Fi reception of any device I own.
    01-15-2015 11:28 AM
  14. grafixguy#AC's Avatar
    I don't mind waiting either if I know what I'm waiting for and more importantly WHY I'm waiting.

    We've been kept in the dark month after month which leaves me with an uneasy feeling about this device.

    If it's something that serious, VZW and MSFT should combine to offer us something to get passed this even if means an iPhone or high end Android device. What they're doing now is inexcusable.
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    01-15-2015 11:32 AM
  15. Nokia_Lumia's Avatar
    Everything was handled by Nokia previously. As good as they were years ago, serious quality issues became a reality after they got into touch-screen smartphones. N97 was not the first one with serious issues either. Microsoft may have agreed to retire the phone after the acquisition, seeing the hardware issues. Either the phone was not tested properly, or problems were swept under the rug - who knows. My guess is that Microsoft was not OK with it. The only question is - why are they still selling it at MS Store? Clearing inventory?
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    01-15-2015 11:50 AM
  16. Nokia_Lumia's Avatar
    Oh and omission of glance was just stupid - the selection of the "low-memory" "high-lag" display. Obviously this wont be fixed with Denim. I don't know what was happening at Nokia. I hope Microsoft sorts out this mess for future phones. Maybe they are in the process of straightening out these issues internally, and waiting for Win10 to release something.
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    01-15-2015 11:56 AM
  17. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    The only question is - why are they still selling it at MS Store?
    This is the question that breaks your whole theory.
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    01-15-2015 12:03 PM
  18. DavidinCT's Avatar
    I don't mind waiting either if I know what I'm waiting for and more importantly WHY I'm waiting.

    We've been kept in the dark month after month which leaves me with an uneasy feeling about this device.
    Although I like what you said, you must be a new Verizon customer. Verizon has ALWAYS been like this, long delays for updates. They will not tell CSRs or end users ANYTHING till it's about to be released and that is normally within 24-48 hours before release (most people see a website up for it before they hear anything). If a CSR tell you tomorrow, they are guessing 90% of the time.

    I remember this BS (waiting for a update) from my old Moto V710...a major update that fixed some big issues and Verizon users had to wait almost 4 months for it longer than other carriers....

    It's one of the crappy parts of being a Verizon customer (everyone deals with this accept for apple)
    01-15-2015 12:11 PM
  19. gernerttl's Avatar
    When I woke up this morning my arm was tingling. I wasn't sure if it was because I slept on it funny, or if denim was being released today. I'm wearing my denim boxer briefs today just in case.

    They are not comfortable, so you should all be thankful for this ritual sacrifice that I am making.
    Um... Have you sacrificed a virgin yet? And WHY would ANYBODY buy... let alone WEAR denim boxer briefs???!!!
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    01-15-2015 12:17 PM
  20. Nokia_Lumia's Avatar
    I don't mind waiting either if I know what I'm waiting for and more importantly WHY I'm waiting.

    We've been kept in the dark month after month which leaves me with an uneasy feeling about this device.

    If it's something that serious, VZW and MSFT should combine to offer us something to get passed this even if means an iPhone or high end Android device. What they're doing now is inexcusable.
    Phone is less than 1 yr. old. Everyone who purchased at Verizon is currently under warranty. If you go through 3-4 replacements, and issues are still there, you may be able to talk your way into getting a replacement "equivalent" device. They will likely offer you something slightly lower end than the Icon. I got an HTC Trophy after ~3 LG Fathom replacements in 2011 (3G connection kept dropping on the Fathoms official rom, and there were to be no more software updates). But things may have changed since then.
    01-15-2015 12:30 PM
  21. grafixguy#AC's Avatar
    No. I'm a long time customer. I've said it before, I don't have to be first and I don't even mind being last, but this thing has gone beyond anything acceptable to be put down just to testing. We deserve an honest explanation.

    And yes, I know we'll never get one, but that doesn't change the fact this we've been badly treated.
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    01-15-2015 12:37 PM
  22. DavidinCT's Avatar
    No. I'm a long time customer. I've said it before, I don't have to be first and I don't even mind being last, but this thing has gone beyond anything acceptable to be put down just to testing. We deserve an honest explanation.

    And yes, I know we'll never get one, but that doesn't change the fact this we've been badly treated.
    Well, for Cyan, your right, but, Denim, your not. Denim has not been out that long now, so if we get it soon (by the end of January) it would be before a lot of other carriers get it.

    Still, I do agree with you, I'm way passed pissed off about this, to the point that I don't care. I've been visiting this site less, as it keep stressing me out waiting for this dam update...

    Also it's those full page ads that WC has been running that keeps me away too, but, it seems to have calmed down a little...(at least for today)
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    01-15-2015 01:14 PM
  23. MikeSo's Avatar
    This is the question that breaks your whole theory.
    Also that the 930 is being sold and updated world wide.

    I don't think it's anything dramatic that's holding up Denim on the Icon, but I do think its hardware is flawed.
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    01-15-2015 01:17 PM
  24. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Also that the 930 is being sold and updated world wide.

    I don't think it's anything dramatic that's holding up Denim on the Icon, but I do think its hardware is flawed.
    Nah, 930 works fine and is a global phone (a lot more people own it worldwide than ICON owners), it's got Cyan if not Denim now, Unless there was a big flaw with the CDMA side of the ICON, that would be the only hardware I would think could have a flaw in it...

    I would almost bet that it had something to do with Verizon's ULTRA-CRAPPY apps that caused this major delay, like was said before. Once they were fixed, then they need to be tested, so a few weeks of testing because Verizon sucks when it comes to updates...
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    01-15-2015 01:23 PM
  25. manders500's Avatar
    This was recently published but still inconclusive.

    http://lumiaconversations.microsoft....te-coming-way/
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    01-15-2015 02:12 PM
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