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  1. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Not that I think it's coming today, but Denim for the 822/928 didn't get released until 1pm EST....so hold your F Us for a couple hours :)
    FINE ! I still think it's still well deserved even if it hits today but, ok :)
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    01-30-2015 08:53 AM
  2. grafixguy#AC's Avatar
    It's deserved and no need to hold off. While the updates weren't pushed until later in the day the PDFs were updated early in the morning.
    01-30-2015 09:00 AM
  3. Kieta's Avatar
    Honestly, I won't be downloading Windows 10 on the Icon without a firmware update. I've had enough issues with 8.1 and Black.
    I'll be holding off until other who feel brave enough to test it on the ICON report back with results. If it was under the DP I would.
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    01-30-2015 09:08 AM
  4. grafixguy#AC's Avatar
    Alright, so here's what I found out from some digging today at the office. First, Icon/denim is in the "Lab" phase, and is still, at this time, on track for early February. I tried, but could not get a specific date. As for why all Nokia phones disappeared from the Verizon website not so long ago: this is because Microsoft is in the midst of re-branding everything so that it will no longer be the "Microsoft Nokia Lumia Icon" as an example, because that would be a mouth full, and they are dropping the Nokia branding all together. And while the Icon will continue to be supported, and the flagship phone, Microsoft is preparing for the launch of a new Lumia-family Verizon exclusive phone which will drop in the first quarter of this year.

    So there you have it.
    I'll take you at your word that you work for VZW but I'm not buying into any of this until I see it. We've been hearing "soon" for so long that it's meaningless. The rest of it sounds like complete BS. Again, not questioning YOU, but I am questioning whoever told you that. It makes zero sense. There's never been a "Microsoft Nokia Lumia Icon," nor has any Lumia been dual branded with Nokia and Microsoft.

    Talk of Verizon getting the 730 in the first quarter have been floating around for a while but that phone is not even close to a flagship and can't hold a candle to the Icon.

    And none of this explains the fact that this phone has received no updates, except for a very minor push in May, since its release. It is, AFAIK, the only Lumia still officially on Windows Phone 8. So, FU Verizon. Even if this update goes out while I'm typing this, the taste in my mouth is so sour that I'm not sure I'll ever get rid of it.
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    01-30-2015 09:08 AM
  5. grafixguy#AC's Avatar
    I'll be holding off until other who feel brave enough to test it on the ICON report back with results. If it was under the DP I would.
    Agreed. You'd have to be pretty brave to jump into Windows 10 on your phone this early in the game. I, too, will be awaiting feedback with fingers crossed.
    01-30-2015 09:11 AM
  6. GoldyRoger's Avatar
    I think I missed something. I check for updates every night, and last night there wasn't one, still Black. Disabled developer preview and checked again, nothing. Today, I was reading that article about Extras/Info being updated and prompted the check for updates with my Icon. Nothing! So I went to my Extras/Info page... and Lumia Denim.
    01-30-2015 09:16 AM
  7. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    So, was I right ? Today is Friday BEFORE the Superbowl, Microsoft can be quoted that they were going to release WIndows 10 (for phone) right after the superbowl.

    I checked updates today (disabling the Dev program app) and there is no updates.

    Verizon does not release updates over the weekend (I've never seen this but, I could be wrong).

    Screwed up as it is, looks like we will be getting Windows 10 preview BEFORE Denim.....Let me guess, there will be an issue with it, so you wont be able to install Denim if you have W10 installed....watch...

    Another great perk by being a Verizon wireless customer....F U Verizon...
    Slow your roll, mate! Microsoft never said they were going to release the Insider Preview right after the Super Bowl. Just after it. They have said sometime in February. The fact that Belfiore said a few days ago that it was going to be a couple weeks before they release a video showing Windows 10 on WP in action tells me we're probably looking at late February for the W10 Insider Preview.

    And, yeah, I'm thinking there's a decent chance that we won't even be able to download W10 without a minimum of Cyan firmware. So hopefully all this jibber-jabber about Verizon finally releasing WP8.1 to the Icon in early-mid February is correct...
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    01-30-2015 09:16 AM
  8. DavidinCT's Avatar
    And, yeah, I'm thinking there's a decent chance that we won't even be able to download W10 without a minimum of Cyan firmware. So hopefully all this jibber-jabber about Verizon finally releasing WP8.1 to the Icon in early-mid February is correct...
    Man, that would suck, We don't have Denim and we cant get Windows 10 DP because we don't have Denim....
    01-30-2015 09:23 AM
  9. grafixguy#AC's Avatar
    I think I missed something. I check for updates every night, and last night there wasn't one, still Black. Disabled developer preview and checked again, nothing. Today, I was reading that article about Extras/Info being updated and prompted the check for updates with my Icon. Nothing! So I went to my Extras/Info page... and Lumia Denim.
    Who wants tell him?
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    01-30-2015 09:30 AM
  10. GoJays's Avatar
    I think I missed something. I check for updates every night, and last night there wasn't one, still Black. Disabled developer preview and checked again, nothing. Today, I was reading that article about Extras/Info being updated and prompted the check for updates with my Icon. Nothing! So I went to my Extras/Info page... and Lumia Denim.
    Unless you have the passive "Hey Cortana" function, it is the dreaded glitch.
    01-30-2015 09:30 AM
  11. GoJays's Avatar
    Who wants tell him?
    Ha! I was about to ask they same thing but thought I would take this one.
    01-30-2015 09:31 AM
  12. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Man, that would suck, We don't have Denim and we cant get Windows 10 DP because we don't have Denim....
    Yeah... And I don't know what the odds of that happening are. But common sense says it's not a great idea to run technical preview software, intended to be run with firmware E, with firmware B.

    Thurott had this to say:

    01-30-2015 09:32 AM
  13. GoldyRoger's Avatar
    Thanks guys, that's what I figured. Wasn't too sure the glitch had been occurring with the Icon, now I know. Cortana certainly isn't listening and the camera still takes three minutes to load. bummer
    01-30-2015 09:37 AM
  14. MikeSo's Avatar
    Honestly, I won't be downloading Windows 10 on the Icon without a firmware update. I've had enough issues with 8.1 and Black.
    Me neither. I'm going to pick up a 635 or 530 for W10. :)
    01-30-2015 10:07 AM
  15. jazz70's Avatar
    the Black firmware on our Icons has a build date of 4/23/2014, that seems like of recipe for disaster trying to load WP10 Preview on top of that imho

    we may not even get the choice to install since we don't have Cyan/Denim firmware, WP 10 seems to be building on features introduced in Cyan and it should be interesting to see if other phones like the M8 and ATIV SE will have access to the WP 10 preview also
    01-30-2015 10:51 AM
  16. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Updates from Belfiore on a timeline:



    "Lumia icon people asking what I meant by "early 2015": The first part of the year. In my mind that means jan/feb or so. Less likely March."



    "Know that Vzw & MS are actively, daily working on getting it done. The test process has unpredictability so we can't say a firm end date"
    01-30-2015 11:08 AM
  17. IcyPwnage's Avatar
    Every time I take a gander at the Software Availability Page for the Nokia phones, I get my heart skips a beat because I see the 928 listed as having Denim since it is listed under Verizon. Then I remember that I have an Icon (which of course, as of writing this, says Black still)...
    01-30-2015 11:10 AM
  18. grafixguy#AC's Avatar
    It's nice to see him finally say something but it still reeks of putting us off a little longer.
    01-30-2015 11:15 AM
  19. vepac's Avatar
    The thing that I have learned from this experience on waiting for this update is soon means 'whenever it gets done'.
    01-30-2015 11:19 AM
  20. DavidinCT's Avatar
    My reply to Joe...
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    01-30-2015 11:21 AM
  21. brian8163's Avatar
    "Lumia icon people asking what I meant by "early 2015": The first part of the year. In my mind that means jan/feb or so. Less likely March."

    On my calendar March comes after February. I guess the "or so" part means sometime after April, since it's "less likely March" Who the hell knows! At this point I'm like DaveinCT and Grafixguy, there's nothing going to get this taste out of my mouth. A full press confessional on prime-time tv by Joe B and Verizon might help, but I doubt it.
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    01-30-2015 11:53 AM
  22. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    On my calendar March comes after February. I guess the "or so" part means sometime after April, since it's "less likely March"
    I don't know how you got to April from Joe's statement... Here i'll break it down.

    When Joe said "Early 2015" he was thinking January - February. But worst case scenario, March was also a possibility. But that's unlikely.

    That's all he said.
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    01-30-2015 12:05 PM
  23. grafixguy#AC's Avatar
    That's the optimistic view. That's the view I held in September.

    Now? I take anything like this to be the same as saying "Go away for six weeks while we keep you in the dark some more."
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    01-30-2015 12:09 PM
  24. Framling's Avatar
    Updates from Belfiore on a timeline:

    "Lumia icon people asking what I meant by "early 2015": The first part of the year. In my mind that means jan/feb or so. Less likely March."

    "Know that Vzw & MS are actively, daily working on getting it done. The test process has unpredictability so we can't say a firm end date"
    I gotta say, "we're totally working on it, promise" might have mollified me somewhat back in October. Now, at the tail end of January? Without at least some kind of hint at what the problem is or why it's taking so long to resolve, it just feels like more of the same.

    With all the hollow assurances that this delay has just been because Verizon wants to ensure a quality experience, this update had better be flawless when it drops.
    Last edited by Framling; 01-30-2015 at 12:26 PM. Reason: I guess tweets inside quotes are dicey...
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    01-30-2015 12:24 PM
  25. SpaceyO's Avatar
    I thought nothing would get the bad taste out of my mouth either...I'd harass VZ on twitter daily about getting Cyan, and sometimes rather rudely. I still think they ended up blocking me. Once Denim arrived for my 822 and I saw that it was coming for the Icon, I got very zen about the whole thing. Perhaps it's because the Icon is so new to me (only a few weeks), but I feel like I'm much more patient and understanding waiting for the Icon to get its update.

    It's coming....soon..... :)
    01-30-2015 12:31 PM
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