10-29-2014 04:08 PM
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  1. Darthbobcat's Avatar
    Plus, if the 830 is on the way, having that for your Nokiaphiles is a good move.

    Don't forget that back in the day, the mid-tier 822 put Verizon at the top of the Ad Duplex heap, and it was for a while the top Windows Phone purveyor in the US (before the 520 and 521 knocked it off its perch). If I were a Verizon executive wanting to cater to Windows Phone a little bit (avery little bit), having a high tier Windows Phone that used the same accesories as one of your high end Android phones makes total sense, and trying to recreate some of that 822 magic also makes sense.
    10-15-2014 09:54 PM
  2. tgp's Avatar
    Plus, if the 830 is on the way, having that for your Nokiaphiles is a good move.

    Don't forget that back in the day, the mid-tier 822 put Verizon at the top of the Ad Duplex heap, and it was for a while the top Windows Phone purveyor in the US (before the 520 and 521 knocked it off its perch). If I were a Verizon executive wanting to cater to Windows Phone a little bit (avery little bit), having a high tier Windows Phone that used the same accesories as one of your high end Android phones makes total sense, and trying to recreate some of that 822 magic also makes sense.
    Even the top Windows Phone is virtually nothing compared to iPhones and Android flagships.
    10-15-2014 10:02 PM
  3. Darthbobcat's Avatar
    This is true, sales wise, but I notice that Verizon and the rest aren't willing to just COMPLETELY abandon the platform. Verizon keeps hogging the high end Windows Phones as exclusive, so they must see some value to it, and back in the day, they promoted the 822 pretty hard (special Valentines day color and promotions, and the like). They must have some sort of plan.
    10-16-2014 12:05 AM
  4. awilliams1701's Avatar
    The Icon/930 is superior to the iphone 6 in almost everyway both in hardware and software. Android is another story. I believe the SnapDragon 805 is far better than the 800 in the Icon/930. The Icon's camera is hard to beat though.

    Even the top Windows Phone is virtually nothing compared to iPhones and Android flagships.
    10-16-2014 11:13 AM
  5. tgp's Avatar
    The Icon/930 is superior to the iphone 6 in almost everyway both in hardware and software. Android is another story. I believe the SnapDragon 805 is far better than the 800 in the Icon/930. The Icon's camera is hard to beat though.
    I was talking about sales, not quality.

    Sent from whatever device I happen to be using today using Tapatalk
    10-16-2014 11:29 AM
  6. awilliams1701's Avatar
    Well considering we have 3% of the marketshare globally that's going to be true.
    10-16-2014 12:43 PM
  7. JamesPTao's Avatar
    Well considering we have 3% of the marketshare globally that's going to be true.
    The icon was only sold in America and only through verizen. Unless they add the 930 sales the numbers will be very small. Especially since the UK and emerging markets are a big chunk of WP sales.
    10-16-2014 12:59 PM
  8. JamesPTao's Avatar
    This is true, sales wise, but I notice that Verizon and the rest aren't willing to just COMPLETELY abandon the platform. Verizon keeps hogging the high end Windows Phones as exclusive, so they must see some value to it, and back in the day, they promoted the 822 pretty hard (special Valentines day color and promotions, and the like). They must have some sort of plan.
    They will always have exclusive varients because of their cdma radios. Noone else In the world uses that standard.
    10-16-2014 01:00 PM
  9. nikholaspappas's Avatar
    Sprint Does
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    10-16-2014 01:52 PM
  10. JamesPTao's Avatar
    Sprint uses a different standard. Theirs communicares with one tower in a different system then Verizon. Hence with sprint why when a call is dropped it is immediate. It can't bounce tower to tower. They are not the same standard. Their limitations are why they have always struggled versus at&t, Verizon, nad tmobile.
    10-16-2014 07:09 PM
  11. awilliams1701's Avatar
    I'm glad CDMA is getting cut off after the decade, but in the meantime it means Verizon needs exclusive phones with exclusive firmware.
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    10-17-2014 11:22 AM
  12. gernerttl's Avatar
    They will always have exclusive varients because of their cdma radios. Noone else In the world uses that standard.
    No quite a true statement. CDMA is used in several other countries. The problem is that you can't take a phone from one CDMA network and use it on another. THAT is why they are called, "locked" phones.
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    10-17-2014 11:36 AM
  13. JamesPTao's Avatar
    No quite a true statement. CDMA is used in several other countries. The problem is that you can't take a phone from one CDMA network and use it on another. THAT is why they are called, "locked" phones.
    Example please. And any locked phone, at least in the us, can be unlocked once the contract is over. And if it is bought outside of carrier it comes unlocked typically.
    10-17-2014 04:20 PM
  14. gernerttl's Avatar
    Example please. And any locked phone, at least in the us, can be unlocked once the contract is over. And if it is bought outside of carrier it comes unlocked typically.
    Here you go: List of CDMA2000 networks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    CDMA needs a key specific to the carrier that is baked into the firmware. So therefore, a Sprint CDMA phone will not work with Verizon, even if Sprint "unlocked" it. Verizon would need to load its firmware onto the phone; and if Verizon doesn't support that phone then you can't use it on its network. GSM/LTE is what is considered "unlocked." If the phone is capable of accessing the frequencies used by a carrier, all you need is a new SIM and you are up and running on a new network.

    LTE is a direct descendent of GSM and in some places uses the same frequencies as GSM, therefore all GSM and LTE phones are unlocked. The only limitation is frequency access. That is why the Icon can use GSM and HSPA+ on AT&T and T-Mobile, but not LTE, because AT&T and T-Mobile have different LTE frequency bands than Verizon.
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    10-17-2014 05:29 PM
  15. anywhereanytime's Avatar
    Well, within another week, we should see a new round of AdDuplex and other reports. What still surprises me is that Microsoft "Windows Phone management" issued a furry of reports about Cyan near the end of September - causing the Blogosphere to run articles that 50% of Windows Phones were now being pushed "Cyan" ... and cited Europe and Asia/India as well.

    THEN, for the last 3 weeks ... near nothing? Anyone think they know WHY?
    10-18-2014 10:51 AM
  16. Hotvak123's Avatar
    It sounds like Verizon sold the Icon in selective stores. I say this because what everybody here has said it, in one way or the other , some store had no idea there was a Icon, while others stores have stock , and are displaying and trying to sell them. while other store had little or no stock and put them aside, so the scenario goes, if the icon didn't sell to Verizon satisfaction. it would be easy to drop the line because they don't have all that inventory in the other stores. on the other hand if it sold well, then they order more stock for the other stores. the Htc 8x comes to mind they still have stock and sell them in the stores, and they just didn't sell like they hoped.
    The 930 and the Icon have good praises on this site and others , so it doesn't seem to be a hardware problem.
    10-20-2014 05:43 PM
  17. anywhereanytime's Avatar
    What still "does NOT compute" is that Microsoft has mode "zero public or private comments", considering that Verizon is the largest US carrier and Windows Phone is STILL struggling to gain a foothold!

    Come on Microsoft ... what's going on?
    10-20-2014 06:07 PM
  18. awilliams1701's Avatar
    The silence has lawyer BS written all over it. If someone gets fired, no one is allowed to talk about it. I see this as the same thing. Keep quiet or else we'll kill ALL windows phones type thing.
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    10-20-2014 09:18 PM
  19. Visa Declined's Avatar
    I have a feeling Nokia/Microsoft gave Verizon the Icon as an exclusive, just to get them to carry it in their stores. It didn't sell, so Verizon **** canned it.

    People are bashing Verizon for wanting exclusive rights to the device, but this might have been all Microsoft's idea to begin with. They're Americas largest carrier, so I can understand why Microsoft would approach them.
    10-21-2014 01:33 AM
  20. awilliams1701's Avatar
    I still say that legally the Icon/929 is not a 930 and therefore they could give Verizon the exclusive and sell the 930 on AT&T and get away with it. The reverse was certainly true. The 920 was AT&T exclusive and they made the 925 for T-Mobile (which came back to AT&T anyway) and the 928 for Verizon (which needs a special CDMA exclusive phone anyway)
    10-21-2014 01:12 PM
  21. Hotvak123's Avatar
    the 929 not the same phone as the 930, The 929 is LTE 4G on Verizon with wireless charging where as the 930 only get 3G on Verizon, and no wireless charging. it may have the same engine in it, but totally two different phones as far as I am concerned. I am on Verizon I wanted the Lumia 830 but it will only get 3g no LTE 4g., only option was the Icon, SE , or M8, so I got the Icon for the grate camera and wireless charging.
    10-21-2014 04:20 PM
  22. odin09's Avatar
    What still doesn't make sense is that they would choose to continue the 928 over the Icon.
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    10-21-2014 07:00 PM
  23. MikeSo's Avatar
    the 929 not the same phone as the 930, The 929 is LTE 4G on Verizon with wireless charging where as the 930 only get 3G on Verizon, and no wireless charging. it may have the same engine in it, but totally two different phones as far as I am concerned. I am on Verizon I wanted the Lumia 830 but it will only get 3g no LTE 4g., only option was the Icon, SE , or M8, so I got the Icon for the grate camera and wireless charging.
    The 930 has wireless charging. The only difference is the radios.
    10-21-2014 07:37 PM
  24. GoJays's Avatar
    Perhaps they will get rid of the 928 once they sell their remaining stock. Or it could be cheaper to make and the margins are better with the 928. Who knows. If I was placing a bet, I'd take the former.
    10-21-2014 07:38 PM
  25. awilliams1701's Avatar
    The 929 is a 930 with an additional radio for Verizon's antique CDMA network. It also has special firmware required to make the CDMA work on Verizon. I don't see how you could get a 930 to work on Verizon except maybe LTE only (which probably means no phone calls) I've heard that the 1520 doesn't work at all on Verizon even though it has the right LTE frequencies. Its probably rejected by the network do to lack of basic phone service.

    the 929 not the same phone as the 930, The 929 is LTE 4G on Verizon with wireless charging where as the 930 only get 3G on Verizon, and no wireless charging. it may have the same engine in it, but totally two different phones as far as I am concerned. I am on Verizon I wanted the Lumia 830 but it will only get 3g no LTE 4g., only option was the Icon, SE , or M8, so I got the Icon for the grate camera and wireless charging.
    10-22-2014 10:51 AM
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