Nogitsune Micah
Banned
Really? It's a nice phone, but so far, does not have 8.1 and with Verizon's track record, may not get it. The M8 is very nice and has 8.1 and the camera is decent, just not as good as the Icon.
You can get the developer preview on the Samsung and you can get a much better camera on the ativ than the m8 plus Samsung is a tad more reliable than HTC is. I'd definitely take my chances on a se than m8