1. deenizzy74's Avatar
    is it possible to get cyan without Verizon and just update from Microsoft website
    10-15-2014 02:28 AM
  2. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Sorry. No. They should make this an option as far as I'm concerned.
  3. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    Sorry. No. They should make this an option as far as I'm concerned.
    10-15-2014 02:38 AM
  4. anywhereanytime's Avatar
    Well, technically you can via what Microsoft calls "developer preview", I believe as other on this forum HAVE done it.

    I would guess that it VOIDS the warranty, but you can always "RESET to factory" if you have to send it in for repairs. I has a problem with a 928 - just backed up everything - BEFORE sending it is and did a factory reset.
    10-15-2014 09:59 AM
  5. PepperdotNet's Avatar
    Well, technically you can via what Microsoft calls "developer preview", I believe as other on this forum HAVE done it.
    Developer Preview is the Windows operating system. Cyan is device-specific firmware (drivers, etc.) and not available from Developer Preview.
    10-15-2014 10:03 AM
  6. awilliams1701's Avatar
    It might be possible for MS to do this with AT&T or T-Mobile, but not Verizon or Sprint. CDMA keys are controlled by them and without the keys it just won't work.
    10-15-2014 10:43 AM
  7. SpaceyO's Avatar
    Well, technically you can via what Microsoft calls "developer preview", I believe as other on this forum HAVE done it.

    I would guess that it VOIDS the warranty,
    This misinformation has been corrected so many times...

    The Developer's preview does not void your warranty.
    Big Papa Smurf likes this.
    10-15-2014 10:49 AM
  8. xandros9's Avatar
    With devices that have multiple variants, like how the Lumia 920 is available in a ROGERS, AT&T, Int'l variant in various countries etc, its possible (the "price" varies though) by flashing the entire phone to another country, service provider.

    However the Icon is alone and with no similar recourse.
    10-15-2014 11:44 AM
  9. fredd's Avatar
    You cannot get cyan thru the DP program. Only 8.1
    xandros9 likes this.
    10-15-2014 11:53 AM
  10. anywhereanytime's Avatar
    This misinformation has been corrected so many times...

    The Developer's preview does not void your warranty.
    THANKS, SpaceyO ... I love to "stand corrected" with great news like this! So, I read that "Denim" is scheduled to rollout soon for DP ... HOW, do we know, IF this will work on the Icon?

    I mean 8.1.1 ...
    10-15-2014 12:14 PM
  11. N_LaRUE's Avatar
    THANKS, SpaceyO ... I love to "stand corrected" with great news like this! So, I read that "Denim" is scheduled to rollout soon for DP ... HOW, do we know, IF this will work on the Icon?

    I mean 8.1.1 ...
    Denim will not roll out for WP under DP. WP8.1.1 is already out. We're waiting for the official roll out WP8.1.1 now and for update 2 for DP.

    Please understand this. DP is for the OS only. It doesn't include any firmware updates. Cyan, Denim and whatever came before are firmware updates supplied by Nokia only. The OS and firmware are released together when you get the official update.

    Also to clarify something. With some carriers and some countries, running DP will void your warranty. So it's not black and white but you can remove DP with Nokia Software Recovery Tool so it's really a non issue unless your phone is really messed.
    10-15-2014 02:30 PM
  12. DavidinCT's Avatar
    Developer Preview is the Windows operating system. Cyan is device-specific firmware (drivers, etc.) and not available from Developer Preview.
    If you want to get technical here. The Developer Preview is a program created by Microsoft to allow early adopters/developers to access future updates for Windows Phone.

    The thing that is referred to as the DP here would be called Windows Phone 8.1 Preview, as said before, this is the same software that is in Cyan but, with out the firmware that would update hardware, drivers, and hardware based features on the phone.

    Developer Preview is not the OS, it's a program by Microsoft...
    10-15-2014 02:46 PM
  13. savagelizards's Avatar
    It might be possible for MS to do this with AT&T or T-Mobile, but not Verizon or Sprint. CDMA keys are controlled by them and without the keys it just won't work.
    This is the first explanation that I have heard that could explain why Microsoft might not be able to furnish Cyan without Verizon. But doesn't the PFD app bypass OTA updates? Are you saying that the CDMA keys are a part of the Cyan firmware that must be added by Verizon?

    I am not clear on exactly what the issue is that you are describing. Could you elaborate?
    10-15-2014 08:00 PM
  14. ttsoldier's Avatar
    Sure.

    Just flash your phone to a different firmware.
    10-15-2014 11:56 PM
  15. realwarder's Avatar
    It might be possible for MS to do this with AT&T or T-Mobile, but not Verizon or Sprint. CDMA keys are controlled by them and without the keys it just won't work.
    But... since Microsoft(NOK) built Black, you'd have thought they'd have all that and be able to build Cyan.

    It's more likely contractual. We know Verizon have to approve all devices. And being CDMA makes them rather unique... Harder for Microsoft to say "50 other companies have approved this, sign here". Hopefully Microsoft's contract also says that Verizon have to approve so many updates they submit, ensuring Verizon provide testing resources.

    But... if you don't like Verizon, speak with your wallet. After slamming on Twitter.
    10-16-2014 07:46 AM
  16. awilliams1701's Avatar
    DP updates files not firmware. Black has the keys in it.

    This is the first explanation that I have heard that could explain why Microsoft might not be able to furnish Cyan without Verizon. But doesn't the PFD app bypass OTA updates? Are you saying that the CDMA keys are a part of the Cyan firmware that must be added by Verizon?

    I am not clear on exactly what the issue is that you are describing. Could you elaborate?
    10-16-2014 11:09 AM
  17. awilliams1701's Avatar
    It works based on a certificate. You need to encrypt them in a way that allows the device to read the information, but can't be duplicated by OEM's. This happens on the internet all the time. Signed software works the same way. If you examine various applications you'll see that photoshop is made by adobe. If you attempt to alter the program in anyway (IE create a virus) the signature disapears. I would imagine CDMA keys work the same way. Its probably decrypted by the tower not the device.

    But... since Microsoft(NOK) built Black, you'd have thought they'd have all that and be able to build Cyan.

    It's more likely contractual. We know Verizon have to approve all devices. And being CDMA makes them rather unique... Harder for Microsoft to say "50 other companies have approved this, sign here". Hopefully Microsoft's contract also says that Verizon have to approve so many updates they submit, ensuring Verizon provide testing resources.

    But... if you don't like Verizon, speak with your wallet. After slamming on Twitter.
    10-16-2014 11:11 AM
  18. Funky Cricket's Avatar
    Cyan, Demin, Etc, is the FIRMWARE from Nokia(now Microsoft)

    Windows Phone 8.1.1 (Soon to be 8.1.2 hopefully) is the SOFTWARE.

    They are NOT the same thing, though they are released at the same time by the US carriers.
    10-16-2014 12:47 PM
  19. Mr Lebowski's Avatar
    I was told after Microsoft Support called me about a month ago ( loveyourlumia@microsoft) that in the near future (whatever that means) with NOKIA Software Recovery Tool you'll be able to load Cyan. That's exactly what I was told, I have no proof other than what I was told.
    10-16-2014 02:50 PM
  20. Bryan Lamb's Avatar
    10-16-2014 03:32 PM
  21. xandros9's Avatar
    Sure.

    Just flash your phone to a different firmware.
    The problem here is that there is no different firmware for the Icon.
    10-16-2014 03:44 PM
  22. gernerttl's Avatar
    But... since Microsoft(NOK) built Black, you'd have thought they'd have all that and be able to build Cyan.

    It's more likely contractual. We know Verizon have to approve all devices. And being CDMA makes them rather unique... Harder for Microsoft to say "50 other companies have approved this, sign here". Hopefully Microsoft's contract also says that Verizon have to approve so many updates they submit, ensuring Verizon provide testing resources.

    But... if you don't like Verizon, speak with your wallet. After slamming on Twitter.
    Because both Sprint and Verizon use CDMA for their respective 3G/voice networks, Microsoft/Nokia has to make a Cyan build specific for those two carriers. Since T-Mobile and AT&T and other GSM carriers don't have that issue, they can all use the same Cyan build for like models. It is the SIM that ties you to a carrier. That is why all you need to do is swap SIMs and you can use your device on another carrier or in another country.


    Eventually, Verizon is going to dismantle its 3G network, sometime in the next 5ish years or so. When that happens, then ALL Verizon devices will be truly unlocked. This benefits not only us consumers, but Verizon as well. It cuts cost on network management and opens the company up to offer more devices; not to mention luring customers from other carriers.
    10-16-2014 03:44 PM
  23. gernerttl's Avatar
    Sure.

    Just flash your phone to a different firmware.
    Unfortunately, WP is not like Android, where you can root your phone and flash a mod. Even the guys over at XDA can't figure out how.
    10-16-2014 03:45 PM
  24. juliosa2's Avatar
    I think if it were so complex development software would not work with the Icon, the operating system contains necessary drivers for GSM, CDMA, WCDMA, LTE, what the operators is to restrict certain features and append native characteristics of your network. ..
    10-16-2014 05:37 PM

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