11-19-2014 05:34 PM
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  1. awilliams1701's Avatar
    If development is a person and a girl (you used she) then she isn't blocking it its in her as in inside her. So I guess that means that someone needs to take it out of her. That sounds like fun.

    Interesting, as the ones in Canada still say under testing. I just wanna know who development is and if she can move out of the way so the update can freely move from under her.
    11-13-2014 10:30 AM
  2. awilliams1701's Avatar
    Verizon not Microsoft. Keep in mind that Verizon is now the only carrier in the US holding the update back. Also keep in mind that Verizon has 100% control over all firmware on their network. They have the power to block updates if they didn't mind getting sued for breach of contract with apple. Unfortunately only apple has this agreement with them. Also keep in mind they pull the same BS with android phones as well. Verizon is frequently last for updates if they occur at all.

    It's like Microsoft WANTS me to jump back to Android or iOS.
    11-13-2014 10:33 AM
  3. awilliams1701's Avatar
    This is 100% Verizon. Its their crappy CDMA network that gives them total control over the firmware running on their network. Microsoft, Samsung, and even apple are all powerless if Verizon tells any of them to get lost. Fortunately for apple they are in demand enough that apple was able to bully them into signing an agreement to universally approve all updates immediately without any interference. Microsoft doesn't have enough power in the mobile scene for that. Samsung probably could at this point, but they haven't tried.

    It would make sense if these developments were taking place in April or June at the latest. It's simply outrageous the snails pace that Microsoft and Verizon are operating on. Yeah, I guess it sucks that I guess Verizon wants their **** to work, or whatever their real reason is, but Microsoft has to ******* play ball by their rules, and do it with some ******* urgency.

    Jesus Christ, failure in every sense of the word on Microsoft.
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    11-13-2014 10:36 AM
  4. awilliams1701's Avatar
    That's Sprint actually. I had the HTC Arrive and it was retired without a replacement. It was about 6 months after I switched to Verizon for the 928 that Sprint got their two crappy non Nokia Windows Phones.

    They do, I did this weekend. Was away from Android for far to long. WP isnt changing overnight and they have alot of changing to do. Didnt VZW drop WP's at one point? Wonder if they are trying to do the same thing again. Tell you the truth I dont remember seeing any WP on display at the VZW store I went to. If they had any they were hiding them or something.
    11-13-2014 10:38 AM
  5. awilliams1701's Avatar
    Verizon's response - "OK you're not happy with us? Well we won't carry ANY Windows Phones anymore ever again. And because we use our inferior CDMA technology you're powerless to stop us"

    This seems like a subtle way for Microsoft to point the finger back at Verizon without violating any contracts or NDAs and it makes perfect sense. They put their own bloatware above everything else and lie about it every day to users. It's disgusting and shortsighted. They want Microsoft to hack perfectly working firmware in order to make their own apps work "perfectly" instead of updating them themselves to work with the new firmware.
    11-13-2014 10:39 AM
  6. mikeyyyownz's Avatar
    Unfortunately this has made me decide on a switch. I love my taste of WP8.1, but Verizon is the suck with it. I can't leave, as service is amazing and I just Edged Up my wife to a new iPhone a little over a month ago. Nexus 6 here I come.
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    11-13-2014 11:36 AM
  7. coip's Avatar
    Unfortunately this has made me decide on a switch. I love my taste of WP8.1, but Verizon is the suck with it. I can't leave, as service is amazing and I just Edged Up my wife to a new iPhone a little over a month ago. Nexus 6 here I come.
    I'll leave Verizon before I ever leave Windows Phone.
    11-13-2014 11:53 AM
  8. forked's Avatar
    Garbage like this is why I left Verizon last year after being with them for 10+ years. Now I'm paying less than half what I was on Cricket and the coverage is more than sufficient (and I'm able to use GSM phones and updates come at a reasonable pace).
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    11-13-2014 11:53 AM
  9. pursuit2550's Avatar
    Here in Miami nobody can touch VZW or ATT. My dad had T-Mobile and my brother has Sprint. They are both garbage and the price is about the same. Its not like your saving 30-50 bucks a month. As it is VZW has more coverage then ATT, in Miami. To me coverage, as a whole is more important than some update. I understand everybodys frustration but I had the Icon and switched to the HTC. I didnt see a big difference from 8.0-8.1. Its still behind Android/IOS. They need to dump their whole OS and start from fresh. Also they need to look at what makes Android/IOS so popular.
    11-13-2014 12:32 PM
  10. Scorpio5x0's Avatar
    Here in Miami nobody can touch VZW or ATT. My dad had T-Mobile and my brother has Sprint. They are both garbage and the price is about the same. Its not like your saving 30-50 bucks a month. As it is VZW has more coverage then ATT, in Miami. To me coverage, as a whole is more important than some update. I understand everybodys frustration but I had the Icon and switched to the HTC. I didnt see a big difference from 8.0-8.1. Its still behind Android/IOS. They need to dump their whole OS and start from fresh. Also they need to look at what makes Android/IOS so popular.
    How exactly is Windows Phone behind Android/iOS? My Icon can do the same tasks that both of those phones can. And dump the whole OS, that makes no sense. There is nothing wrong with the OS. How do we get from Verizon not wanting to release firmware to Microsoft needing to dump the whole OS and start over for the third time? Any OS you run on your phone will be held hostage by Verizon's network, unless your name is Apple. Even Android phones and tablets do not get timely updates, and in many cases they don't get any at all on the Verizon network. As far as switching from the Icon to the HTC, good luck getting firmware updates from HTC.
    11-13-2014 02:45 PM
  11. gernerttl's Avatar
    Unfortunately this has made me decide on a switch. I love my taste of WP8.1, but Verizon is the suck with it. I can't leave, as service is amazing and I just Edged Up my wife to a new iPhone a little over a month ago. Nexus 6 here I come.
    Since you are unable to leave Verizon because of Edging up your wife's phone, how are you going to get the Nexus 6 to work on Verizon? It won't work on Verizon's CDMA network. Verizon hasn't had a Nexus device since the Galaxy Nexus two years ago.
    11-13-2014 03:04 PM
  12. Scorpio5x0's Avatar
    Since you are unable to leave Verizon because of Edging up your wife's phone, how are you going to get the Nexus 6 to work on Verizon? It won't work on Verizon's CDMA network. Verizon hasn't had a Nexus device since the Galaxy Nexus two years ago.
    Allegedly, there is a CDMA version that is supposed to get released on Verizon, not sure if they have released a launch date. But like everything else on Verizon, it will get released 6 months after everyone else. What I can't figure out is you love WP8.1, but because Verizon sucks you will switch to Android on Verizon. Apparently, Verizon doesn't suck on Android. I just can't figure out the logic between switching phones because the carrier sucks, but you stay with the same carrier.
    11-13-2014 03:10 PM
  13. gernerttl's Avatar
    Oh, Verizon sucks just as bad with Android updates too. I had a Galaxy Nexus, and I loved the straight Android experience. But, Verizon was the last to update its Nexus. Even Sprint (who got the Nexus months after Verizon) updated it quicker than VZW.

    The lure of the Nexus phones is that all updates come DIRECTLY from Google just like iPhones. The problem was because Verizon and Sprint are CDMA, all updates came from them. The angst you see here with Verizon and WP8.1/Cyan is the same angst I saw with Verizon and Jelly Bean for the Galaxy Nexus.

    So if mikeyyyownz thinks his Verizon Nexus 6 will get quick updates, he's got another thing coming. Sorry mikeyyyownz, that's coming from personal experience being a previous Nexus owner on Verizon, I'm not trying to be sarcastic.
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    11-13-2014 04:07 PM
  14. twint7787's Avatar
    Oh, Verizon sucks just as bad with Android updates too. I had a Galaxy Nexus, and I loved the straight Android experience. But, Verizon was the last to update its Nexus. Even Sprint (who got the Nexus months after Verizon) updated it quicker than VZW.

    The lure of the Nexus phones is that all updates come DIRECTLY from Google just like iPhones. The problem was because Verizon and Sprint are CDMA, all updates came from them. The angst you see here with Verizon and WP8.1/Cyan is the same angst I saw with Verizon and Jelly Bean for the Galaxy Nexus.

    So if mikeyyyownz thinks his Verizon Nexus 6 will get quick updates, he's got another thing coming. Sorry mikeyyyownz, that's coming from personal experience being a previous Nexus owner on Verizon, I'm not trying to be sarcastic.
    This quote needs to come with some heavy context. Mainly the fact that Google wanted control of updates for its Nexus line and Verizon would not slow such things. Hence why your updates were slow. I don't know what is in store for the Nexus 6 on Verizon but generally for me Verizon was always pretty good with updates.
    11-13-2014 04:18 PM
  15. tgp's Avatar
    Allegedly, there is a CDMA version that is supposed to get released on Verizon, not sure if they have released a launch date. But like everything else on Verizon, it will get released 6 months after everyone else. What I can't figure out is you love WP8.1, but because Verizon sucks you will switch to Android on Verizon. Apparently, Verizon doesn't suck on Android. I just can't figure out the logic between switching phones because the carrier sucks, but you stay with the same carrier.
    You have part of this correct. The Nexus 6 works on all carriers. The US version has all the CDMA and GSM bands to be fully functional, with LTE, on AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, Sprint, and US Cellular. The details on how Verizon will handle it are not yet fully known, but it is known that you can take the Play Store version, put a Verizon SIM card in it, and get full Verizon service with LTE.

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    11-13-2014 04:30 PM
  16. fredd's Avatar
    there is an update ready to download but not what were looking for
    11-13-2014 04:43 PM
  17. Indistinguishable's Avatar
    Maybe either Android - Windows Central Forums or Verizon - Windows Central Forums would be a better place for a conversation about availability of Android phones on Verizon.
    11-13-2014 04:44 PM
  18. jazz70's Avatar
    Maybe either Android - Windows Central Forums or Verizon - Windows Central Forums would be a better place for a conversation about availability of Android phones on Verizon.
    or you can always walk into a VZW store and ask to see a WP and the sales associate will promptly show you all the latest android models and tell you how great they are ignoring that you even mentioned WP
    11-13-2014 05:29 PM
  19. Scorpio5x0's Avatar
    The discussion was not meant to turn into Android phones. Was just trying to point out that update issues that we are experiencing are not specific to only Windows Phone. It is a Verizon issue. I apologize if i caused the thread to go off track. That was not my intent.
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    11-13-2014 05:46 PM
  20. Ntropy99's Avatar
    More like Verizon wants you to jump back to android
    11-13-2014 08:51 PM
  21. mikeyyyownz's Avatar
    Verizon sucks in regards to supporting WP. My Icon gets retired less than a year after release, and now they downgrade the Cyan update. To me, that sucks.

    As a previous posted mentioned, I live in South FL. Verizon service is perfect down here so I'm unwilling to switch carriers. Plus, I edged my Icon, my wife's IPhone, and have two tablets. I'm not paying a grand in termination fees to go to an inferior service. I rather switch phones and get something that will be supported instead of clinging to a phone that VZW couldn't care less about supporting or updating. I love the specs of the Nexus and stock Android, so that's my choice.
    11-13-2014 11:31 PM
  22. gernerttl's Avatar
    This quote needs to come with some heavy context. Mainly the fact that Google wanted control of updates for its Nexus line and Verizon would not slow such things. Hence why your updates were slow. I don't know what is in store for the Nexus 6 on Verizon but generally for me Verizon was always pretty good with updates.
    This article explains it pretty darn well.

    Why Android Updates Are So Slow
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    11-14-2014 01:14 AM
  23. Brenda Smeby's Avatar
    I am in the same boat with 5 smart phone lines and 3 tablets. I edged up for my Icon so I cant even change phones. I opted for a new Galaxy S tablet so I feel like I have the best of both worlds now. I still live my Icon too much to dump it anyway.
    11-14-2014 05:29 AM
  24. pursuit2550's Avatar
    How exactly is Windows Phone behind Android/iOS? My Icon can do the same tasks that both of those phones can. And dump the whole OS, that makes no sense. There is nothing wrong with the OS. How do we get from Verizon not wanting to release firmware to Microsoft needing to dump the whole OS and start over for the third time? Any OS you run on your phone will be held hostage by Verizon's network, unless your name is Apple. Even Android phones and tablets do not get timely updates, and in many cases they don't get any at all on the Verizon network. As far as switching from the Icon to the HTC, good luck getting firmware updates from HTC.
    My first droid can probably do what my Icon or HTC can do also, doesnt mean it does it better. VZW not wanting to release software is not something new to anyone so why all the fuss, I dont know. VZW has been doing this for years.Yes they need to dump their OS. For instance, in 8.0 you could go to your phone dialer, go to contacts and see all the info of a contact. Now in 8.1 if you got to contacts and you press on it, it calls the person. Now you have to go to people icon to see all the info on a contact, I call that a$$ backwards. If I am on a call and have to look for a number, I now have to back out of the dialer to the home screen, swipe over and go to people just to get info on a contact. Still no quick dial on dialer like Android. IE is garbage, Period. Apps are half baked. On Android, if you are on the internet lets say and a text comes in, a small separate window opens on top of the browser. You can choose to ignore it, read it and reply back, all this without having to leave the browser. There are a lot of software features that Android /IOS have that have that WP still doesnt and wont have anytime soon. So yes they need to dump the whole OS and start new.
    11-14-2014 06:19 AM
  25. pursuit2550's Avatar
    Verizon sucks in regards to supporting WP. My Icon gets retired less than a year after release, and now they downgrade the Cyan update. To me, that sucks.

    As a previous posted mentioned, I live in South FL. Verizon service is perfect down here so I'm unwilling to switch carriers. Plus, I edged my Icon, my wife's IPhone, and have two tablets. I'm not paying a grand in termination fees to go to an inferior service. I rather switch phones and get something that will be supported instead of clinging to a phone that VZW couldn't care less about supporting or updating. I love the specs of the Nexus and stock Android, so that's my choice.
    I agree 100%. I am not leaving VZW's perfect coverage to T-Mobile or Sprint(which suck in Miami) just to get an update on a phone that most people wont have in a year or two. I just Edged up my HTC to a LG G3 and i can tell you WP has alot of catching up to do. Kit Kat OS has come along way and Lollipop is already being realesed to LG G3 phones.
    11-14-2014 06:27 AM
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