11-19-2014 05:34 PM
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  1. awilliams1701's Avatar
    Android or WP it doesn't matter. Verizon sucks. The only exceptions are the iphone and phones that never update in the first place(dumbphones).
    11-14-2014 12:25 PM
  2. pursuit2550's Avatar
    Android or WP it doesn't matter. Verizon sucks. The only exceptions are the iphone and phones that never update in the first place(dumbphones).
    So it sucks because you dont have an update. I will take the best coverage (here in miami at least) over a update. What good is a phone with the latest OS, Hardware, Software, if you are dropping calls or cannt access the internet.
    cbreze and argenys like this.
    11-14-2014 12:54 PM
  3. Robinsonmac's Avatar
    At this point Why even do Cyan, it's so late just skip it & go with Denim...
    11-14-2014 02:13 PM
  4. kloar's Avatar
    I installed the DP back during the Summer. It was great at first, but I gradually had more issues come up, such as the phone running hot, battery drain, taking several seconds to wake up, occasionally freezing, etc.

    My phone died on me in late August. I am doubtful it had anything to do with the DP, it was a hardware issue. Verizon sent me a replacement via the warranty. At that point, I didn't reinstall the DP because I thought we were close to getting 8.1/Cyan via Verizon. In fact I keep holding off installing DP because I always thought we were "only a week or two" from receiving it from Verizon and due to my previous issues, it was worth waiting.

    Well, this "under development" downgrade just crushed my hopes that it's "only a week or two" away. My question is this. Have the recent updates to DP, such as what was released this week, made it more stable? I'm ready to pull the trigger and reinstall DP, but the issues I had were more than just a nuisance.
    hawwie_4 likes this.
    11-14-2014 02:44 PM
  5. gernerttl's Avatar
    Android or WP it doesn't matter. Verizon sucks. The only exceptions are the iphone and phones that never update in the first place(dumbphones).
    And of course what happened when Apple pushed out iOS v8... Oh yeah... it caused a whole lot of peoples' phones to not work properly. So how well did Apple truly test its software? Hmmm...

    http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/0...problems/?_r=0

    This is NOT the first time this has happened. In fact it happened with the iOS 6 and 7 updates.

    When has an Android or WP update caused any major problems? When Verizon finally pushed out Jelly Bean, it worked no major problems. When it pushed out the GDR2/Black Update for WP, it worked, no major issues. So, people can complain about how Apple devices get updates in a "timely" manner, but forget that the past three major OS updates for iOS were severely flawed and caused Apple to spend a whole lot of time and money to fix them.
    11-14-2014 02:46 PM
  6. awilliams1701's Avatar
    I switched to AT&T and have a 1520.3 with Cyan. Its a tad slower at work. Its MASSIVELY faster at home. I think that is a good trade.

    So it sucks because you dont have an update. I will take the best coverage (here in miami at least) over a update. What good is a phone with the latest OS, Hardware, Software, if you are dropping calls or cannt access the internet.
    gernerttl likes this.
    11-14-2014 03:38 PM
  7. awilliams1701's Avatar
    That had nothing to do with Verizon as it was a universal issue. Apple and Verizon have an agreement that Verizon must approve everything Apple sends them even if it doesn't work. Personally I think its a better update method. The problem both arose and got solved in a very short amount of time. Also in the duration of the problem people were given instructions on how to solve the problem with a temporary solution. I only wish that Microsoft/Nokia could get the same agreement.

    And of course what happened when Apple pushed out iOS v8... Oh yeah... it caused a whole lot of peoples' phones to not work properly. So how well did Apple truly test its software? Hmmm...

    http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/0...problems/?_r=0

    This is NOT the first time this has happened. In fact it happened with the iOS 6 and 7 updates.

    When has an Android or WP update caused any major problems? When Verizon finally pushed out Jelly Bean, it worked no major problems. When it pushed out the GDR2/Black Update for WP, it worked, no major issues. So, people can complain about how Apple devices get updates in a "timely" manner, but forget that the past three major OS updates for iOS were severely flawed and caused Apple to spend a whole lot of time and money to fix them.
    11-14-2014 03:41 PM
  8. gernerttl's Avatar
    That had nothing to do with Verizon as it was a universal issue. Apple and Verizon have an agreement that Verizon must approve everything Apple sends them even if it doesn't work. Personally I think its a better update method. The problem both arose and got solved in a very short amount of time. Also in the duration of the problem people were given instructions on how to solve the problem with a temporary solution. I only wish that Microsoft/Nokia could get the same agreement.
    Did you NOT read this article?

    Why Android Updates Are So Slow

    "But Apple Is So Much Faster!

    This is one of the greatest illusions in the tech game. Apple announces the new version of iOS, and wham! You can download it on your phone within a day or two. How did Apple manage to skip that exhaustive carrier-testing that everyone else had to go through? It didn't. It had to jump through the same hoops as the Android manufacturers; the only difference is that Apple jumped through them before it announced the update.

    Sprint's Ryan Sullivan explains:

    "I don't think that Apple is necessarily any faster, I think it just appears faster because when they're announcing the OS release, they're launching it. A lot of that is just because they control the platform stack, but they have the same group of people who are working continuously on the network integration pieces for their 250 wireless carriers across the world. So, while Google is announcing the software when it's done at the platform-level only, and then they allow OEMs access to it so that they can build that network integration layer. It appears that Google and the Android process takes much longer. It doesn't. Google just takes it half way, and then it's up to the manufacturers and carriers to take it the rest of the way so that it will work on a network.... I think the overall cycle from start to finish is relatively similar between iOS and Android, it's just the point at which the platform is announced."

    Apple also has an edge here because it not only makes the operating system but also builds the hardware. The narrower portfolio of device components that are used means adapting the OS to the existing hardware (all of which is done in-house) is a faster, more seamless process. This is also why Nexus devices are first in line; Google works closely with its chosen hardware manufacturer to go with the new version of Android, and then it works with the wireless carriers to make sure everything is tested and ready to go ahead of the announcement. That only works at launch, though; older Nexus devices will still have to go through carrier certifications just like everything else when a new OS update comes in."
    11-14-2014 04:10 PM
  9. awilliams1701's Avatar
    If that was true, they wouldn't have been able to release 8.0.0, 8.0.1 and 8.0.2 in rapid succession.
    11-14-2014 04:27 PM
  10. gernerttl's Avatar
    It was the 8.0.1 update that jacked up the phones. Once Apple started getting phone calls, they probably called Verizon (and the other carriers) and said, "Hey! We eff'd up, and need to fix a few things. Here are the list of fixes, none of them affect your network. Please approve."

    Since the major issues were not affecting the network and primarily only affected iPhone 6, The carriers probably said, "Sure no problem! We want our customers to be able to use their phones."

    It's that whole prioritization thing. The carriers didn't want people bringing their brand spanking new AND expensive iPhone 6's back for replacement.
    11-14-2014 04:34 PM
  11. pursuit2550's Avatar
    I switched to AT&T and have a 1520.3 with Cyan. Its a tad slower at work. Its MASSIVELY faster at home. I think that is a good trade.
    Only carrier I would switch to is ATT, but I am MASSIVELY fast ever where I am at. So no sense in me leaving because of an update.
    11-14-2014 06:34 PM
  12. JK75's Avatar
    Just wanted to mention that I made the jump from Icon to the 1520 on AT&T and I could not be more pleased. I live in Jupiter and work in Palm Beach Gardens (South Florida) and I was afraid I might lose out on coverage, but AT&T's coverage here has been as good if not better than my Verizon coverage. In fact, when I was switching at the AT&T store, I was explaining to the associate helping me why I was switching, and he told me that he used to work for Verizon. He said make no mistake - Verizon has a great network - but he also said here in South Florida AT&T has every bit as good of coverage as VZW. Your mileage may vary - but I have had nothing but good coverage so far.

    Besides that, I get to use the built in voicemail app, which is way better than the crappy Verizon one that only notified me when it felt like it and that I had to pay extra to even use.
    11-17-2014 08:47 AM
  13. pursuit2550's Avatar
    Just wanted to mention that I made the jump from Icon to the 1520 on AT&T and I could not be more pleased. I live in Jupiter and work in Palm Beach Gardens (South Florida) and I was afraid I might lose out on coverage, but AT&T's coverage here has been as good if not better than my Verizon coverage. In fact, when I was switching at the AT&T store, I was explaining to the associate helping me why I was switching, and he told me that he used to work for Verizon. He said make no mistake - Verizon has a great network - but he also said here in South Florida AT&T has every bit as good of coverage as VZW. Your mileage may vary - but I have had nothing but good coverage so far.

    Besides that, I get to use the built in voicemail app, which is way better than the crappy Verizon one that only notified me when it felt like it and that I had to pay extra to even use.
    Let me put it this way, I wouldnt leave VZW for ATT or ATT for VZW just because of an update. Especially 8.0 to 8.1.
    11-17-2014 08:52 AM
  14. JK75's Avatar
    Let me put it this way, I wouldnt leave VZW for ATT or ATT for VZW just because of an update. Especially 8.0 to 8.1.
    For me it was more than the Cyan update. I was sick of VZW's utter disdain for customer service and for the WP platform, not to mention their foot-dragging on updates. I was with VZW since they bought Alltel, and while their network is great, it's the only thing they have going for them. I can only vote with my dollars, and I choose to support the carrier who seems to give a damn about the platform I want to use and who, so far at least, has treated me like a valued customer.
    11-17-2014 09:18 AM
  15. psiu_glen's Avatar
    One thing I saw on the first page of this thread, it's not just the Icon. Some pointed out it's all the Lumia devices.

    Well, heck -- it's the Lumia devices AND Samsung AND HTC.

    929
    ATIV SE
    928
    8X
    822

    Nothing. (also, note the Softcard boning going on)
    11-19-2014 05:34 PM
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